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Not a Big Mac
[edit]This is NOT a Big Mac. A Big Mac has the cheese under the meat. It is unfortunate that many WP pages have used this image and labelled it a Big Mac, but that doesn't change the fact that this is NOT a Big Mac. It is likely a Burger King hamburger. Christopher Rath (talk) 14:41, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- It seems like this is a Big Mac, so make sure a consensus is reached here before you go change the label everywhere the image is found. There is also the location of the lettuce, which seems to be shredded (not as large as Burger King's style) and under both patties, vs. the Big King, which has lettuce on top of the top patty only. --Cerebral726 (talk) 14:58, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- This photo was uploaded in 2011. It seems from this article the Big King wasn't reintroduced until 2013 after it's initial debut in 1997. --Cerebral726 (talk) 15:06, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- A quick visit to the McDonald's website [1] shows that this image is not a Big Mac. I'm happy to concede that it may not be a Burger King burger either.
- You said that "It seems like this is a Big Mac..." What causes you to conclude that this is a Big Mac? On a Big Mac, the cheese is beneath the meat; the pickles are also under the meat. In this image, both items are on top of the meat. Lastly, one cannot conclude that this is a market variation (i.e., that in some markets McDonald's dress the burger differently). McDonald's, like other franchises, is very protective of their brand and franchise owners must conform to the brand standard.
- I find it very odd that an image that is clearly not a Big Mac continues to be displayed on WP with the name Big Mac attached to it. Christopher Rath (talk) 18:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- Talk:Big_Mac#That's_not_a_Big_Mac_in_the_picture The original uploader actually responded to the original question with the explanation: "That is a Big Mac in the picture, purchased from a McDonalds. I had asked for the cheese on the side so it wouldn't be melted when I took the picture, so I'd have an easier time arranging it. I did make the mistake of putting the cheese on top of the burger, instead of the bottom, though. Evan-Amos (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)". I think the high quality nature of the photo more than makes up for the slight misplacement of the cheese in terms of continuing usage of the photo. --Cerebral726 (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- The uploader modified the Big Mac and then photographed it. In other words, it's not a photo of a Big Mac. I took this photo for use on the Big Mac page so that the photo on that page would be a good photo of an actual Big Mac.
- Christopher Rath (talk) 20:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Crath: I disagree that moving a piece of cheese makes the burger cease to be a Big Mac, as much as ordering the burger without cheese would make it "not a Big Mac". The original photo is significantly higher quality. I will say that the only case in which it may matter is for the infobox photo for the Big Mac where the nuance of actual order of the toppings may be considered significant. In all other instances though, the photo is still an extremely high quality photo of a Big Mac. --Cerebral726 (talk) 17:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- The McDonald's corporation would disagree. Another example, if you change the order of the colours in the rainbow flag (LGBT) then it is no longer the rainbow flag used by the LGBT community and so would not qualify to be used on the Rainbow flag (LGBT) page. Christopher Rath (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'd prefer to keep the conversation on topic rather than debate the applicability of your metaphor regarding a design change to a flag vs. the arrangement of cheese on a burger. I would also ask you do not make insulting write-ups on our interactions. Choosing to assert that I am simply refusing to change my mind out of stubbornness is not assuming WP:GOODFAITH and is quite poor WP:ETIQUETTE; my arguments are coming from a genuine concern that the photo, an incredibly high quality photo that has been a Featured Photo and accepted as the best photo of a Big Mac on Wikipedia, will be removed from the relevant articles without cause. This picture is clearly of a Big Mac purchased from McDonalds, with the characteristic ingredients appearing as they would most commonly appear (shredded lettuce, 3 bun pieces with sesame seeds, McDonald's style patties, visible special sauce, etc.), and I do not see any reason to believe the original uploader, a tireless contributor of photos to WikiCommons, is lying as you insinuate on your User Page. I understand the cheese has been slightly repositioned (still in contact with the correct burger even), but a Big Mac with the cheese put in a slightly incorrect position is still a Big Mac. The photo you have chosen as a replacement is also high quality, and should definitely be used on Wikipedia (especially in the infobox of Big Mac as it nicely shows the packaging), but fully replacing the old photo while making assertions that the burger is a Big King or not a Big Mac is worthy of discussion, and in my opinion, not the best thing for Wikipedia. --Cerebral726 (talk) 14:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Cerebral726: You are correct that I was out of line with my comments and I have edited the page. I apologise and will try to do better in the future. Christopher Rath (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- I'd prefer to keep the conversation on topic rather than debate the applicability of your metaphor regarding a design change to a flag vs. the arrangement of cheese on a burger. I would also ask you do not make insulting write-ups on our interactions. Choosing to assert that I am simply refusing to change my mind out of stubbornness is not assuming WP:GOODFAITH and is quite poor WP:ETIQUETTE; my arguments are coming from a genuine concern that the photo, an incredibly high quality photo that has been a Featured Photo and accepted as the best photo of a Big Mac on Wikipedia, will be removed from the relevant articles without cause. This picture is clearly of a Big Mac purchased from McDonalds, with the characteristic ingredients appearing as they would most commonly appear (shredded lettuce, 3 bun pieces with sesame seeds, McDonald's style patties, visible special sauce, etc.), and I do not see any reason to believe the original uploader, a tireless contributor of photos to WikiCommons, is lying as you insinuate on your User Page. I understand the cheese has been slightly repositioned (still in contact with the correct burger even), but a Big Mac with the cheese put in a slightly incorrect position is still a Big Mac. The photo you have chosen as a replacement is also high quality, and should definitely be used on Wikipedia (especially in the infobox of Big Mac as it nicely shows the packaging), but fully replacing the old photo while making assertions that the burger is a Big King or not a Big Mac is worthy of discussion, and in my opinion, not the best thing for Wikipedia. --Cerebral726 (talk) 14:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
- The McDonald's corporation would disagree. Another example, if you change the order of the colours in the rainbow flag (LGBT) then it is no longer the rainbow flag used by the LGBT community and so would not qualify to be used on the Rainbow flag (LGBT) page. Christopher Rath (talk) 17:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- @Crath: I disagree that moving a piece of cheese makes the burger cease to be a Big Mac, as much as ordering the burger without cheese would make it "not a Big Mac". The original photo is significantly higher quality. I will say that the only case in which it may matter is for the infobox photo for the Big Mac where the nuance of actual order of the toppings may be considered significant. In all other instances though, the photo is still an extremely high quality photo of a Big Mac. --Cerebral726 (talk) 17:05, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
- Talk:Big_Mac#That's_not_a_Big_Mac_in_the_picture The original uploader actually responded to the original question with the explanation: "That is a Big Mac in the picture, purchased from a McDonalds. I had asked for the cheese on the side so it wouldn't be melted when I took the picture, so I'd have an easier time arranging it. I did make the mistake of putting the cheese on top of the burger, instead of the bottom, though. Evan-Amos (talk) 18:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)". I think the high quality nature of the photo more than makes up for the slight misplacement of the cheese in terms of continuing usage of the photo. --Cerebral726 (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
