Talk:2006 Lebanon War

Lars Adaktusson as a neutral source

In the Media coverage section, there's a section where Lars Adaktusson is used a source with him only being described as a journalist. Adaktusson is in fact the current chairman of the Sweden-Israel Friendship Association and was previously the chair of pro-Israel lobby organisation European Israel Public Affairs. I feel this information should be included if he is used as a source. Conspiracy Raven (talk) 20:49, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

End date

Ceasefire was August 14, but the war officially ended on September 8 just saying that info box should include that. Dilbaggg (talk) 06:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Misspelling of hezbollah under "hezbullah prisoners"

title says it all Shrub4TheDub (talk) 08:11, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Lebanese Armed Forces to infobox?

There seemed to have been several confrontations between Israeli army and Lebanon army during the war:

• Israel attacked Lebanese Army Barracks[1].
• Israel attacked Lebanese Air Force base[2]
• Lebanese army opened fire on Israeli helicopters trying to land[3]
• According to this source, supposedly 49 Lebanese soldiers were killed.

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:45, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

As far as I'm aware, neither Israel nor Lebanon said they were at war with eachother. If they were, surely there would've been a lot more attacks than these few incidents. There were similar incidents between Israeli and UNIFIL soldiers, but we don't name UNIFIL as a belligerent. Your source for the airbase strike says that it "could draw the Lebanese army into Israel's war with Hizbullah guerrillas". We'd need something from Israeli or Lebanese officials, or from mainstream news outlets, saying that they were actually at war with eachother. – Asarlaí ^(talk) 09:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

The above sources are all reliable as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure what you mean by "mainstream outlets". Secondly, many times in history countries often participate in a conflict without declaring they are. No one is saying that Lebanon declared war on Israel but rather, the Lebanese forces participated in the conflict as a belligerent. In fact, the infobox currently lists Iran as a belligerent even though Iran did not explicity declare war on Israel, nor vice versa. Finally, 43 dead Lebanese soldiers is too large an amount to simply ignore.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

It is really unfortunate that this discussion is being spread across several talk pages simultaneously. Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 22:08, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

No need for a long discussion. Take the tag and put the sources in its place.Ghazaalch (talk) 10:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

It is original research to suggest that the LAF was a belligerent over a few isolated incidents. Do we add UNIFIL as a belligerent in the South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000) too, for good measure? Mikrobølgeovn (talk) 12:23, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Can we take that conversation to Talk: South Lebanon conflict (1985–2000)? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 23:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, what exactly does the word "combatant" mean to you? If it implies being engaged in combat, then RS support that. Or are you suggesting that declaration of war must always be a requirement for being included in the infobox? Finally, can you also comment on the fact that the infobox also includes Iran, Amal militia and even Islamic Courts Union as combatants? The Lebanese Army lost more soldiers than all three of these parties combined. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:13, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Agree with @Mikrobølgeovn. If there are no sources supporting the claim that Lebanon's army was a belligerent, adding it based on personal opinion or analysis would violate WP:SYNTH and be a own research. I'm removing it. PeleYoetz (talk) 08:15, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Sockpuppet.

• I looked into the Human Rights Watch investigation, which concluded that "Insofar as Israel was a[t] war with Lebanon, Lebanese army soldiers are combatants under international humanitarian law." In fact, I'm not aware of anyone who has considered Israel's killing of Lebanese soldiers to be a war crime.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 04:30, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

POV tag

The lede has major POV issues. It gives only six lone sentences to the Israeli role in attacking Hezbollah, Lebanon and Lebanese civilian infrastructure, and dedicates the entirety of the last lede paragraph (which should focus on legacy of that war) on how -repetitively- no one disarmed Hezbollah. There is also POV language how "Israel responded" and "Hezbollah then launched." Nine sentences are dedicated to highlight how the war started with Hezbollah's actions. These are the actionable things that needs to be addressed for now. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:06, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I agree the article has issues and this is a pretty wideranging edit by Galamore without much of an explanation. It should be reverted. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:55, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

It seems like they just went ahead and reverted several users' edits perhaps because they didn't like one or two things, which seems disruptive to me.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:57, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I think we can restore the previous second lede paragraph as more neutral, at least relatively speaking. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:50, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've undone that change and restored the second lede paragraph. I agree its more neutral.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 00:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I reverted the second lead paragraph to the long-standing version because the new one introduced POV issues and odd framing. Hezbollah's aims since 2000 based on one analysis aren't lead-worthy in an article on a war. This paragraph should focus on events immediately leading to the start of the war, not interpretations of Hezbollah's strategy since 2000. PeleYoetz (talk) 08:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Why would Hezbollah's military objectives not be relevant? It sure feels more relevant than mentioning the brand of vehicle Israeli soldiers were in (Humvee) that you added. I already gave one scholarly source:

• Wahab, Hadi (2022). Hezbollah:A Regional Armed Non-State Actor. Taylor & Francis. p. 69.

Here are some more scholarly sources:

• "After 2000, Hezbollah entertained this legitimation by pointing to issues relating to the Israeli-Lebanese conflict that remain unresolved—namely, the area designated as Shebaa Farms and Kfarshuba Heights, occupied since 1967; the Lebanese prisoners detained by Israel...The party’s prestige was enhanced by the prisoner deal that took place in January 2004, through which Hezbollah obtained from Israel the liberation of 435 Lebanese and Palestinian prisoners, as well as the mortal remains of close to 60 militants, in exchange for 1 Israeli hostage and the bodies of 3 soldiers. This operation confirmed the party’s conviction that the only way to obtain the liberation of the Lebanese prisoners still held in Israel—among them Samir Kuntar, detained since 1979 as a result of his participation in a commando attack by the Palestine Liberation Front—is to exchange them for Israeli hostages. (p28)" "The hostage Taking of July 12, 2006: Keen on defending the Lebanese legitimacy of its ar- mament, Hezbollah raised its voice over two issues in particular: the Shebaa Farms and the Lebanese pris- oners held in Israel. In a speech delivered on April 24, 2006, at a ceremony marking the twenty-eighth anniversary of Samir Kuntar’s detention, Hassan Nasrallah pledged publicly to act for the liberation of the detainee, announcing that it would take place “very very very soon” and hinting at an imminent “resistance action” toward this end. (p31-32)"
  • Achcar, Gilbert; Warschawski, Michel (2015). The 33-day war: Israel's war on Hezbollah in Lebanon and its consequences. Taylor & Francis.
• "Hezbollah’s attempt to redeem its wa‘d al-sadiq (“faithful promise”) to secure the release of Lebanese prisoners in Israeli jails...Hezbollah’s dramatic operation of July 12, 2006, was yet another attempt to deliver on its wa‘d al-sadiq."
  • Norton, Augustus R. (2018). Hezbollah: a short history (Updated and expanded third ed.). Princeton Oxford: Princeton University Press. pp. 120–121. ISBN 9780691180885.
• "For years, Hezbollah had attempted to carry out Nasrallah's wa'd al-sadiq (faithful promise) to liberate Lebanese fighters still held in Israeli jails."
  • Matthews, Matt (2008). We were caught unprepared: the 2006 Hezbollah-Israeli War. Fort Leavenworth, Kan: Combat Studies Institute Press, US Army Combined Arms Center. p. 28-29. ISBN 9780160798993.
• "Dubbed “Operation Truthful Promise” by Hezbollah, the raid fulfilled Hezbollah leader’s Hassan Nasrallah’s longstanding aim to take IDF soldiers hostage in order to pressure Israel to release remaining Lebanese prisoners in Israeli prisons, and to seek the return of the disputed Israeli-occupied Sheba` Farms area to Lebanese control. Immediately following the raid, Hezbollah stated that it would return the abducted soldiers to Israel through “indirect negotiations” resulting in a “trade” with Lebanese prisoners held in Israeli prisons."
  • Why They Died: Civilian Casualties in Lebanon During the 2006 War. Human Rights Watch. 2007. p. 37.

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 15:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I reverted the banned sock's reversion of the second lede paragraph, but it still needs work. VR, seems you have read up on this war, so it could use a review from your side. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)