Talk:Snowboard cross

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Requested move (2010)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Ronhjones ^(Talk) 22:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Boardercross → Snowboard cross — This discipline is called Snowboard cross by the FIS, the international governing body for the sport, as well as the International Olympic Committee [1].Wine Guy Talk 19:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment isn't Boardercross the ISF name? 76.66.197.17 (talk) 05:35, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: No, the FIS/ISF (Fédération Internationale de Ski/International Ski Federation) uses the term Snowboard Cross, and abbreviation SBX. See [2] and [3], both official FIS sites. Wine Guy Talk 18:21, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reply No, the ISF not the FIS; The International Snowboarding Federation, the international sanctioning body that began international snowboarding. 76.66.197.17 (talk) 19:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The International Snowboard Federation ceased operation in 2002 after the International Olympic Committee recognized the Fédération Internationale de Ski as the sport's official governing body. See ISF Folds Operations Wine Guy Talk 02:20, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I would be opposing but it appears this is the way of the future for the name. My impression is that boardercross is currently the common name (WP:COMMONNAME). But it's going to be Snowboarder X at the X-Games and Snowboard Cross at the Olympics. It may be a bit WP:CRYSTAL to change it at this point but I feel safe supporting a move. I should point out that I Support Snowboard cross and Oppose Snowboard Cross, it's a sport not a proper name.--Labattblueboy (talk) 06:29, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are absolutely right about the capitalization, that was a major brain fart on my part; I've edited the requested destination here and at WP:RM. Regarding any crystal ball concerns, not so much. It was snowboard cross at the 2006 Winter Olympics, and there is no shortage of reliable sources to verify that it will be at the 2010 Games as well. It has been an official FIS discipline, called snowboard cross/SBX, since the 1996-97 season. (FIS Snowboard Events 1997 season). Wine Guy Talk 07:30, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding WP:COMMONNAME, here's the comparison from our friends at Google: "snowboard cross", first page includes News Results with plenty of WP:RS, the official 2010 Olympic site, the Ski Channel, NBC sports etc.; "boardercross", first page includes the Wikipedia page as the top result, SBX magazine, and a few blogs. Both return about 141,000 results, but the results for snowboard cross appear to be of a higher quality. I'm aware that many gnarly dudes shredding sick pow still refer to it as boardercross, but the MSM has adopted snowboard cross, and so should we. Wine Guy Talk 08:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As I said earlier, I don't think the merit of the move is on the basis of WP:COMMONNAME. Both terms pull up lots of quality media and reliable source hits, to an almost equal extent. However, I suspect that by season end that will change and Snowboard cross will be more common, because it's the term being used in the two widely televised competitions of the sport.--Labattblueboy (talk) 14:19, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The proposed new title appears to be the more common in good sources and is officially recognized, and therefore preferable. Ucucha 13:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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It looks like consensus has been reached, but I will say, it seems odd to base the move on a bunch of know-nothing TV talking heads instead of actual usage within the sport and subculture. —Wiki Wikardo 16:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Moved back to boardercross without discussion and without proper procedure, such that the boardercross talk page redirects here while the snowboard cross article redirects to boardercross. Nothing was ever moved—the redirects simply removed so that two separate articles existed, and then the snowboard cross page was eventually redirected to boardercross. What a mess. 72.200.151.13 (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Equipment Suggestions

Similar to other high performance skiing and snowboarding events, specialized boards, bindings, boots, helmet, goggles, and winter wear are common for Snowboard Cross. Mouth guards may also be utilized. (I didn't think emphasizing the mouth guard was necessary) SquashEngineer (talk) 21:05, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 31 August 2018

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Snowboard cross. I think it has been sufficiently demonstrated that the official name has also became more common, at least for the general public. No such user (talk) 14:40, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Boardercross → Snowboard cross – FIS calls it the "snowboard cross" . Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pelmeen10 and Yosemiter: Move request needs discussion. If accepted, first move the existing Snowboard cross to Snowboard cross (version 2) to get it away from under the incoming page?? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 21:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Google Trends shows 'Snowboard cross' is a vastly more popular search trend. — bieχχ (talk) 21:49, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Maybe the second rm is more successful.. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:42, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why I was tagged here, but funnily enough, I actually tried competing in this sport 20-ish years ago (I never won anything in my one season and it was too expensive for my family to continue), and I still go watch events. It is still widely known as Boardercross within those that actual participate, possibly due to that it was the original name and its usage in the X-Games (officially called Boarder X there) before it was Olympic event. According to this article, Boardercross was trademarked (I would like to see a source for that statement though) and that is why it cannot be used for competition names, which is the names that get published in reliable sources, especially with WP:RECENTISM. However, at this time, Snowboard cross is far more prevalent in reliable news sources due its official usage in international competitions such as FIS over the more familiar usage of Boardercross (16x more hits for Snowboard Cross). So, based on WP:COMMONNAME in the sources, I would say "support", but I personally never call it Snowboard Cross, nor does anyone else I know. Are there any article title rules about actual usage vs. printable usage if the name is actually trademarked causing printed media to use a less common verbal usage? (I guess the flip side is that this printed usage has also likely caused non-boardercross savvy folks to use the event names as search terms more frequently, which then of course means this page should be under "Snowboard cross".) Yosemiter (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's usually more correct to use a non-trademark name, even if that name is less common for a few reasons. First, it's just more correct. Which is why we have articles at Phonograph and not at Gramaphone; Facial tissue and not Kleenex; Adhesive bandage and not Band-Aid; Swim briefs and not Speedo and so on. Second, companies can lose their trademark if they let a name become too common that it becomes synonymous with a general class of product or service - this is called Generic trademark. In this case, if Boardercross is indeed a trademark of the X-Games, if they let any competition use this name, then they won't be able to trademark it anymore. --Gonnym (talk) 22:07, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It was never a trademark of the X-Games (they had to call it "Boarder-X" and "Snowboarder-X" in various years), it was trademarked by Steven Rechtschaffner who has no affiliation with that competition, but it has since been rescinded/cancelled/lost from the trademark searches I have done. While it was trademarked, it caused the various competitions to call it something else at the time, such as the International bodies adopting the name "Snowboard Cross" for its event name. Those event names spike the WP:COMMONNAME G-News hits (especially in Winter Olympic years). As I said, I concede that verifiable common name is "Snowboard Cross" (as I am a wikipedian and I understand the rules here), but know that no one within the actual sport calls it that outside of the specifically named events. Hence, there will always be push back from non-wikipedians (people who do not read any talk pages) attempting to change it the name to what they all know it as and it will be a continual effort to keep it called "Snowboard Cross" in the prose (even if they can't move the page). Yosemiter (talk) 03:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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