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I just wanted to comment here on the idea that Larry Sanger had the idea for Wikipedia. This is not correct. The original idea of using a wiki for the encyclopedia project came to me from Jeremy Rosenfeld, an employee at that time. The encyclopedia project itself was fully conceived by me alone, and I funded it, and I hired Larry to run it -- which he did of course with the Nupedia project.--Jimbo Wales 18:54, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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-==Bomis Babe Report==
-''moved from the village pump''
+I just wanted to comment here on the idea that Larry Sanger had the idea for Wikipedia.  This is not correct.  The original idea of using a wiki for the encyclopedia project came to me from Jeremy Rosenfeld, an employee at that time.  The encyclopedia project itself was fully conceived by me alone, and I funded it, and I hired Larry to run it -- which he did of course with the Nupedia project.--[[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 18:54, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
-While conducting a review of sexism and the Internet, we came across this site: http://babes.bomis.com/
-Can anyone here add anything to our understanding of the relationship between the Bomis Babe Report and the founders of Wikipedia?
-:Almost certainly not. It is extremely unlikely you would ask this question if you didn't already know the answer. See also [[internet troll]]. [[User:Pcb21|Pete/Pcb21]] [[User_talk:Pcb21|(talk)]] 05:41, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-::It would be extremely difficult for me to know in advance what thousands of Wikipedia contributors might be able to add to our understanding. My colleague is exploring the Bomis site, among others, but I suggested a querry on an open Wikipedia question page might develop information on this side of the equation, apparently opening myself to your allegation. I know Bomis is, or was, owned by some of the same people who founded Wikipedia, which is now either owned by, or being transferred to ownership by a foundation. I'm not yet up to speed on perceptions of how Wikipedia reflects the values of Bomis' operators, what happened to Bomis' related more academically oriented product Nupedia, or what place Wikipedia holds in the development process of open encyclopedias, except that it currently holds a major market share.   [[User:Tre|Tre]] 06:20, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-: See [[Bomis]].--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]][[User:Eloquence/CP|*]] 06:08, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)
-::I checked that first. I know a bit about wikis and Wikipedia, and from that I know not to assume articles on wikis are complete or current, which is why I querried here about the relationship. The Babe Report does appear to be primarily a Bomis product, but that premise is based primarily on placement of the Babe Report link on Bomis' main page. The Bomis article in Wikipedia is somewhat ambiguous about what is owned by the foundation, what is the property of Bomis, and who actually controls operation of Bomis' or the foundation's open-source products. [[User:Tre|Tre]] 06:20, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-:::I don't see what significance that has. All Bomis does is provide some bandwidth to Wikipedia. It is not related to the [[Wikimedia]] foundation.--[[User:Eloquence|Eloquence]][[User:Eloquence/CP|*]] 06:32, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)
-::::Nor have we yet formulated any conclusions about what significance the relationship might have. If we were to find any significance in the affiliation, it would most likely be in values infused by the founders that might affect operation of the foundation and its products, in the context of meta-data related to value-systems potentially associated with ideas about sexism. [[User:Tre|Tre]] 06:52, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-::::: If I understand you correctly, we have a strongly enforced [[neutral point of view]] policy which you may want to see. [[User:Dysprosia|Dysprosia]] 07:00, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-::::Wikipedia is written and edited by the consensus of its editors.  Of these editors, all but a tiny handful have nothing to do with Bomis or any of its products, and many aren't even aware of them.  As Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Benevolent dictator|benevolent dictator]], [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimmy Wales]] has final say in community policy (although he rarely exercises this,) and is the original source of Wikipedia's editorial policy, the [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|neutral point of view]].  Jimbo exercises no control over article content.  Articles reflect the values and biases of whatever editors have worked on them, not the values and biases of Bomis, whatever these may be.  [[User:Isomorphic|Isomorphic]] 07:31, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-See [[User_talk:Michael3#WikiExperiment]] and ask: ''Are [[User:Tre|Tre]] and Michael13 the same person?'' If, like me, you think they probably are, act accordingly. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 11:54, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-[[User:Tre|Tre]], if you have a real interest in the study of wiki systems, you may want to contribute the results of your research to [http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Wiki_Science this Wikibooks project]. [[User:JWSchmidt|JWSchmidt]] 12:48, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-:Thanks for the invitation, JW, but we rely on a paying readership to support research for articles. If you watch the non-refereed trade journals related to the topic of Internet psychology, you might notice the results of our inquiry a few months from now. But the article is not primarily about wiki culture, it is about perceptions of sexism in electronically networked communication. Wikipedia would likely be a small part of the article, if it makes the cut at all. A wiki enthusiast could probably briefly summarize our work as fair use, if they find it relevant.
-:These responses have inspired some thoughts about paranoia and expression of suspicions in networked environments, but we would first need to persuade an editor we have a viable premise before investing any research in that topic. I am still interested in any additional information about why Bomis chose to provide bandwidth to Wikipedia instead of to Nupedia, because the two formats are generally indicative of two coping styles we are exploring. Eventually we might call Bomis' owner and ask directly, but this seems a fair way to querry a network of writers. [[User:Tre|Tre]] 23:20, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-::Bomis is a very small company; for most purposes rather than talking of ''Bomis'' as some kind of disconnected entity we should simply speak of ''[[user:Jimbo Wales|Jimmy Wales]]''. Bomis is basically Jimmy, a partner or two, and a few employees. He started Nupedia, hiring an editor ([[user:Larry Sanger|Larry Sanger]]) and donating hosting for it on Bomis's servers. After a while Nupedia spun off a side project, Wikipedia, which was to be a little more free-form and faster paced and was meant originally to provide draft text potentially to be refined by Nupedia. Work on Nupedia (with high barriers to entry) slowly dried up while Wikipedia (with very low barriers to entry) took off to everyone's astonishment. Eventually a server problem knocked Nupedia offline and there've been relatively few requests to try to restore it. I'd recommend you contact Jimmy directly for more information. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] 22:24, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)
-Speaking of the Bomis Babe Report, is it ever going to be updated again? :P --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 17:51, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
-== Internet company ==
-Is [[Internet company]] an article that should be created, or not? - [[User:RoyBoy|RoyBoy]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[User talk:RoyBoy|&#8734;]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> 21:54, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
-==Vandalism==
-A vandal keeps on taking out this picture:
-[[Image:Aimeeb.jpg|thumb|A "Bomis Babe" wearing a Bomis T-shirt]]
-[[User:Registering a free account|Registering a free account]] 13:15, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
-:A troll keeps adding it - it does not belong there and is a copyright violation. [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:16, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)