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what re-establishment date should be used?

{{help me}} I have an issue as although I think that a majority of sources that cite 2006 as the re-establishment date which aligns with the creation of the English whisky Co (St George’s Distillery) there is another company the Lancashire Whisky Producers Limited which is now closed but was established in the 1980’s which would put the re-establishment date of English whisky back, which date should be used?

https://www.whiskybase.com/whiskies/bottler/88274/about

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/01986218

@GenevieveDEon:@Joseph2302: You may be able to assist on this matter.

ChefBear01 (talk) 00:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I unfortunately can’t contribute but have a question- does this mean that no whisky was produced in England from the 19th century until 2006? 2607:FEA8:A71F:B680:D982:663D:B68:6FC1 (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@2607:FEA8:A71F:B680:D982:663D:B68:6FC1:

That is my understanding from the citations.ChefBear01 (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Joseph2302:, @GenevieveDEon:, @48JCL: please could you check the tone of the new section to ensure it has a neutral tone and balanced view. ChefBear01 (talk) 18:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

International Disputes section

I have added an international disputes section as it is important that all information is provided about English whisky including any issues to ensure a balanced article.ChefBear01 (talk) 20:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article trim

I was thinking about moving the brands and distilleries sections into the see also section, removing the associated text and cite and just proving a link as those topics have specific dedicated articles, this would tidy the article a little and make it less cluttered.

what do other editor think of this?. ChefBear01 (talk) 13:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ChefBear01 yeah that makes sense! I gave this a copy edit but I agree it could use improved organization. Xpseudo (talk) 01:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article structure

I think that having the discontinued date in the Infobox may confuse people as searches then show it as discontinued what are your thoughts on this, do you think it can be just in the history section or do you think this would airbrush important information?ChefBear01 (talk) 17:47, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StefenTower:, do you think the independent bottlers should be added to the lead underneath the brands text?, I am weary about cluttering it and having too many sections as there are twelve and I do t want the article to be difficult to traverse.ChefBear01 (talk) 19:05, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't have the ring of being lead material. I wouldn't be concerned about the number of sections so much but having sections for single sentences is usually seen as problematic. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StefenTower:, I have move some of the sections around to create a cohesive article that reflects a clear start to finish process.

(1) History

(2) Definitions (what is whisky)

(3) Types, styles and characteristics (clarifying the description of English whisky further)

(4) Distilleries and regions (production)

(5) Bottling and distribution (end process)

(6) Economic Valuation (trade)

(7) International disputes (following on trade),

(8) Achievements and events.ChefBear01 (talk) 09:37, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Minimal Alcohol Pricing

At the moment there isn’t an England wide policy on MAP but there are city authorities that have introduced it at their level, I am wondering whether it would be better to create a specific article on the policy since it covers a wide range of alcoholic beverages inc beers, wines and spirits. ChefBear01 (talk) 13:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving

Please could someone setup a bot to auto archive as this would help to manage the talk page.ChefBear01 (talk) 22:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Please give the bot up to 24 hours to begin its work. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 23:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@StefenTower thank you.ChefBear01 (talk) 11:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Writing to guidelines

I have just made some edits to conform the article to our WP:Manual of Style. Another thing that needs to change is the "English whisky" nav bar appears to contain data that belongs in the infobox, and therefore the data should be moved there. I believe it was there before. Also, the Bibliography needs to be put into the usual list format, typically using cite templates.

Overall, there needs to be more attention to writing this article to the MoS. We aren't supposed to use our own personal approaches in any article. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just reworked the Bibliography too. This is the way readers expect to see it across our articles. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:27, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to group the bibliography list like the ref and note lists? ChefBear01 (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean by 'group'. Can you be more specific? Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 02:38, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~I wondered if there is a template that could be used to edit and list them all in one place rather than individually.~~

Could a dropdown list be used to neatly display the references, footnotes and book refs in one section? ChefBear01 19:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have rearranged them further to appear the way they do in practically all articles that have such sections, and that is our conventional "neat". We don't ever use dropdowns for this information. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As part of the rearranging, I renamed 'Bibliography' to "General References". If you meant for this list to be for "Further reading" instead, it can be renamed to that and be made a higher-order section before "External links". Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the information into the relevent sections and deleted the navbox which has fixed the issue and provided for more information in some of the sections.ChefBear01 (talk) 17:11, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That's a more workable presentation. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 02:37, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]