Talk:Ninpu Sentai Hurricanger

It

as they are attempting to evoke "It".

Can someone tell me what the heck is "it"? If this is restored, can someone tell me what this evil org. is trying to do? "It" is not acceptable. hbdragon88 (talk) 17:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You didn't read this, "Their goal is bring Earth to ruins in order to envoke "it", the "Evil Force" that would form in the depths of the ocean before destroying the universe."?Fractyl (talk) 22:49, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

So in other words they're trying to avoid saying something like Satan or The Devil in spite of the fact that they use such words and symbolism all the time in Shoen Anime and Toku? 75.84.122.182 (talk) 08:59, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

No, they just did that for suspense as they did not fully reveal Jakanja's ultimate goal until the final arc of the series storyline. Much like how the goal of Father from Fullmetal Alchemist was very cryptic until we reach the beginning of the end, or Bagramon's "D5" scheme in Digimon Xros Wars, or Abrella and Burajira's agendas throughout their respective shows.Fractyl (talk) 15:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was page not moved. —harej (talk) (cool!) 19:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ninpuu Sentai Hurricaneger → Ninpuu Sentai Hurricanger — The common name for this is hurricanger. This is clearly shown in a google search for each version of this name. It is compounded by the fact that if you type 'hurricaneger' into google it asks you if you meant 'hurricanger'. Drag-5 (talk) 01:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose: Okay. This is just getting really fucking disruptive. The name "HURRICANEGER" is in the opening credits sequence, and there is no prior standard for the names. Now you are actively trying to disrupt Wikipedia by pointing out the disparity between the existence of "Masked Rider" in Kamen Rider Series logos and the fact that "Hurricanger" was for the longest time the more common reading.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Requesting a move is not disruptive. removing other peoples comments and attempting to block normal wikipedia procedures is disruptive. If you oppose the move, then please provide good reasons backed up by wikipedia policy, guidelines and supporting evidence. I have stated clear and logical justification for a move that satisfies all relevant criteria. Drag-5 (talk) 05:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Requesting that this particular page be moved to the more common title in the fan community over the usage of the official romanization when another requested move you made for the exact opposite reasons on another article is failing is indeed disrupting Wikipedia to make a point.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  This page is for discussing Ninpuu Sentai Hurricaneger → Ninpuu Sentai Hurricanger, please do not make references to other pages. please review Wikipedia:Naming_conventions if you are unclear on wikipedia guidelines and policies.Drag-5 (talk) 05:45, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Drop the act. You know very well why you want to move this page. You are thinking "Well, if it can't be 'Masked Rider' then this can't be 'Hurricaneger'."—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Also, Google seems to suggest that "Hurricaneger" is the more prevalent name than "Hurricanger".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Please explain your logic. "hurricaneger" brings up 12k results and corrects you, "hurricanger" brings up 45k results.Drag-5 (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  I see 51,300 for "hurricaneger and 39,200 for "hurricanger". This is the official romanization or the original title in Japan. They have a much different name for the official English name they give to the series which is "Hurricane Rangers", which you can see at 0:24 in this video. So, much like how "Kamen Rider" is the official name in Japan and the more common name in English, "Hurricaneger" is the official name in Japan but not as common usage in the English fan community because they did not realize that there an official romanization in the opening sequence (1:22).—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  Also, all of the official materials for the series use "Hurricane" such as the Hurricane Boys and Hurricane Girls photobooks, and the DVDs.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

  How do you get 51k hits for hurricaneger? I followed the link you provided and it resulted in hte following screenshot.[1] Drag-5 (talk) 00:37, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

  My Google search settings search in all possible languages.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

  since we are talking about teh english wikipedia, the search needs to be for english pages, not all languages. Drag-5 (talk) 00:39, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

  No. This shows that the more common name when written with the Latin alphabet has the E in it, and is featured in all materials relating to the series in all languages.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. Hurricaneger is both the official name and just as common in English as Hurricanger. Further, no official source uses "Hurricanger", unlike Kamen Rider where official sources use both "Kamen" and "Masked". This is very clearly a WP:POINT disruption by drag-5, as a response to the mass opposition to his attempted move of Kamen Rider Decade to Masked Rider Decade. As I said elsewhere, this diff is proof that drag-5 is not here to improve the encyclopædia; it's all about his personal vendetta against Ryulong. Also, there is a conflict of interest involved: drag-5 is a fansubber, and the bootlegs he made of Hurricaneger use the spelling "Hurricanger". On another forum (which I have been a regular at long before I knew drag-5 even had a Wikipedia account), after drag-5 announced his fansub, he was corrected en masse by the regulars. He responded to this by claiming that no name a Japanese person comes up with should be used in English and that the name "Hurricaneger" is racist because it ends with "neger" (no, I am not making this up). Put simply, drag-5 is trying to whitewash Wikipedia in order to give weight to the spelling he uses in the bootlegs he created. I can provide the link to the relevant forum thread privately to anyone who asks, but I cannot link it on Wikipedia as the forum thread contains download links for his bootlegs, and linking to copyright violations on Wikipedia is generally forbidden. Again, I read that thread while it was active, which was long before I knew drag-5 had an account at Wikipedia. jgpTC 01:34, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  I have to correct these libelous statements. I never claimed that neger was racist, I said i found it offensive. In UK schools we are taught about the second world war and neger is a word that had a lot of exposure in one of teh projects we had to do. it is a nazi vessel. Also, I am not a fansubber. I was heading a group who was trying to promote hurricanger. I have since quit that group. And i NEVER said or implied that "no name a Japanese person comes up with should be used in English". I said that the english words used in hurricanger had evidence of spelling mistakes. and i lead on to say that a native english speaker is more likely to be able to produce agreeable english portmonteaux. Drag-5 (talk) 05:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  The Nazi vessel in question is named after the German word for "nigger". To say that you were referring to the name of the Nazi vessel and not the German word for "nigger" is impossible, as they are one and the same. In any case, you are alleging that the name "Hurricaneger" is offensive because it ends with Neger, a word used by racists (Neger is a racist word and the Nazis would still be racists even if they didn't use that word). jgpTC 06:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose - Unlike Kamen Rider Decade, there is no ambiguity here whatsoever. Hurricaneger is the official romanization given by Toei and TV Asahi. Arrowned (talk) 01:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
• I don't know why you guys are trying to use prejudice against me as an argument about the naming of a page. if you aren't going to argue using logic and common sense and including evidence to support your arguments then you are simply wasting people's time and disrupting wikipedia. I have been an editor of wikipedia for 3 years and quite honestly am ashamed at your apparent bias towards me. ashamed to be a part of this community. english pages for hurricaneger - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS309US309&as_q=hurricaneger&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=lang_en&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off english pages for hurricanger - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS309US309&as_q=hurricanger&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=lang_en&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off Drag-5 (talk) 03:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - You want to know why, Drag-5? It's becuase you came out of practily nowhere and started telling the rest of us how you think things should be done. You keep waving how you interprit the guidelines here in our faces, it tends to be annoying. And, By the way, Guidelines are not rules, they are suggestions.Metropod (talk) 03:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  metropod you have not been in here discussing so how can i wave anything in your face. I have only repeated teh guidelines because other editors choose not to pay attention to htem. if they are paying attention to htem they are certainly not explaining how. Drag-5 (talk) 04:12, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  I watch from the side lines and say what I feel like saying. What you keep pointing to are guidelines, not rules and not policy. they are sugestions. you don't HAVE to follow them if you don't want to. The issue here is also your interpritation of how these guidelines are used. If the general consensus is "Hurricaneger", then it should stay that way. It's not hurting anyone. You just decdied "this is how things must be, therefor, I'm going to make them as such". Metropod (talk) 06:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  well I didn't see any discussion about it. I looked at the google results and based on that I thought general opinion seemed to be that it was 'hurricanger'. I didn't think it was an unreasonable assumption since google went so far as to correct me and gave me something like 5 times as many hits for hurricanger. and anyway, I can't exactly decide anything. I started the move request to get people's attention because in some places I have found that nobody had been paying attention, I felt like there was only one editor in this place that IMO seems to revert things with no good reason. I never said that everyone has to follow the guidelines i just felt that they weren't being given enough due consideration. if you look at the evidence and consider what I see when i come to the pages, can you understand why i see it this way? the first responce i get is to have my edit reverted. I get spoken to very rudely. then get my edits reverted again. I never tried to force anything to be moved. all that i took ANY extreme action against was my edits being removed and not even being put under consideration. Drag-5 (talk) 06:21, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

• In response to the attacks on my character. which i should not even be seeing on this talk page. i did a search for hurricanger to see if I was wrong. since finding out about google books and google scholar i was curious to see if i was indeed wrong about hurricanger. if i had found that i was wrong there would be no issue. but to my surprise, it showed me that there was a vast majority of english pages using hurricanger over hurricaneger. i felt that it was important to make sure that wikipedia was accurate. I feel this way because accuracy is important to me. if somebody shows me that i have been mistaken, I am more than happy to change my view. if any one can look at the links i provided for the common name and show that it is in error, then i will have no issue here and will be in agreement with the current name. I am not the one showing bias here. I have not written anything that was unsourced or based on wild statements. after reading wikipedia guidelines I was sure that this is the right course of action. since the only person who made any discussion ws ryulong and his statements were unsourced and making wild generalisations without being backed up... of course i persisted because i did not believe that it was right to leave an article named purely by somebodies personal preference. Drag-5 (talk) 04:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  But you see no problem in changing it based on the same?Metropod (talk) 06:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

  I think that hurricanger appears to be the most common name. I'm not basing this on preference. to compare with kamen rider decade for a moment, "kamen rider" is my favourite name, I think it sounds cooler, but i made a case for the english name not the one that i prefer. if I was trying to make a WP:POINT as others seem to be claiming, wouldn't I have been campaigning for this page to be changed to 'Hurricane Rangers' ? Drag-5 (talk) 06:26, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

naming

your naming is wrong. you need to correct it immediately. just look at the statistics. why is this article incorrectly named? I can already see that another user has made a reasoned attempt to correct this article. what has happened to this encyclopedia that a group of stubborn geeks can bulldoze an article with their preferred name? wikipedia is supposed to be tailored for the public not for a small group. page view statistics for the last month - http://stats.grok.se/en/201108/hurricaneger (191 views) http://stats.grok.se/en/201108/hurricanger (672 views) july - http://stats.grok.se/en/201107/hurricaneger (107 views) http://stats.grok.se/en/201107/hurricanger (340 views) even google corrects you when you type in 'hurricaneger'. it is obvious that most people are searching for hurricanger and the article should be name accordingly as is made quite clear by wikipedia naming policy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.172.237.137 (talk) 19:04, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

See this discussion below for the relevant debate. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:13, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I've seen the discussion and even referenced it. please address the issue at hand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.172.237.137 (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

As I have mentioned on your talk page that is not a proper argument. You know what is? The official romanization. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks, Wikipedia tries hard to be a credible source of information even if your collage professors will still denounce it. Ergo, Wikipedia will use the official information over hearsay. 75.84.122.182 (talk) 08:54, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to bring up the Wikipedia:No original research guideline, wouldn't a google search not only be an unreliable source but something that falls into those lines? I would also like to remind you that the one who brought this topic up limited his search by english pages only, which further goes against him as a japanese website would be a more reliable source of the official romaziation for the very fact that the word is japanese. 75.84.122.182 (talk) 09:09, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I keep seeing references to toei's website and non english pages but this 'does not comply' with the Wikipedia:Naming_conventions policy. "Article titles are based on what reliable English-language sources refer to the article's subject by." my first search for an english credible source for super sentai led me to this page - http://www.supersentai.com/database/2002_hurricanger/index.htm secondly when a reliable source is not forthcoming, the name needs to satisfy Recognizability, Naturalness, Precision, Conciseness and Consistency. the first and therefore most important factors being what users will be searching for and expecting to find. the google search and wikipedia page visit statistics i provided show that hurricanger is the far prevalent searched term in the english speaking world. I shouldn't need to impress the importance of using the natural name of something but i doubt it would be suitable to name the 'water' article as 'h2o' instead. 95.172.237.137 (talk) 14:46, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia officals have already made their point clear about how things work: "A version of this article was copyedited by Chaosdruid, a member of the Guild of Copy Editors" If you really want to continue I suggest you talk to Chaosdruid yourself directly. I must reiterate a point mentioned before: Guidlines are just that: Guidelines, and I'm all to certain that the point about using an English source is void over a word that has no real english translation. Now I just ran a google search myself, here are the results: +Hurricaneger: 90 pages +Hurricanger: 60 Pages I rest my case. 75.84.122.182 (talk) 01:43, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to point out that if you are using the "include duplicate results" as a means to inflate search results then I would like to point out why they are omitted: They're the same darn thing, I've looked. 75.84.122.182 (talk) 01:49, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

To the original posting IP: We decided as a community that "Hurricaneger" is the name we will be using for them because the fandom was stupid when it failed to realize for five years that "HURRICANEGER" is plastered across the screen in the opening sequence.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I understand your anger, but do understand that the font in that picture IS kind of hard to read. 75.84.122.182 (talk) 21:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the phonetic spelling and romaiztiation of "wind ninja"

Ninpū seems a bit off to me. As bad as google translate seems, it said the phonetic was Nin-fū, as I recall there is a mecha known as Fuuraimaru which uses a similar prefix to the suffix of what google said (Fuu/fū). When you add to the fact that both use the kaze kanji it really doesn't add up to me that the phonetic is Ninpū or that the actual romanizition would be ninpuu over ninfuu.

Additionally I think ninpuu would be more accurate to their ninjitsu due to the play on the word "ninpō" though that doesn't seem to be the case.

I'm sure that some kind of crazy rule like the lack of an L in their language exists here regardless. 75.84.122.182 (talk) 08:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Occasionally, compound words in Japan change the voicing of the first consonant in the second kanji. 口 is kuchi. 出口 is deguchi. 風 is kaze or fuu. 温風 is anpuu. And the Japanese clearly pronunce the name of this show as ninpuu and not ninfuu.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 05:06, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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(Treading carefully into...) Spelling

I see that there is discussion (that I know nothing about) regarding the spellings "Hurricanger" and "Hurricaneger". May I suggest that at least all uses on this page be made consistent, whichever way that is? Jkgree (talk) 14:50, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

"Hurricanger"

Why was the article moved back to "Hurricanger"? Are the fansub folks dictating things again? Either way, the article itself should refer to the characters as "Hurricanegers", not "Hurricangers" and should also acknowledge the OFFICIAL spelling as HURRICANEGER, even if the trendy, fan-coined name gets the title. CENTRAO2019 (talk) 12:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)