Talk:List of European cities by population within city limits

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Q1: How do we present cities that are split between Asia and Europe, such as Istanbul?

A: The entire population is listed, and a footnote provided noting details of the split. The discussion that resulted in the current policy was Talk:List of European cities by population within city limits/Archive 1#Rfc: How to evaluate cities or countries which are split between Asia and Europe?.

Turkish cities[edit]

If cities that are not in Europe such as Yerevan and Tbilisi are included into this list then how come Turkish cities like Ankara that have a population of over 5 million aren't included? 88.243.132.62 (talk) 00:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Because some people like Trancaucasian countries to include into Europe and therefore some quite relevant Euro-Asian borders place them to Europe. That's not the case of any other Turkish city beside Istanbul.

--Pan Někdo (talk) 11:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Either all the cities of the countries with land in Europe should be added, or only the cities in the European continent should be added. Baku and Ankara are not added because they are in Asia, but Yerevan and Tbilisi are added even though they are in Asia. There is a double standard. Everyone uses Wikipedia according to their own interpretation and this is wrong. Yuant37 (talk) 10:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree in substance. Many Europe articles use both the geographic definition and the expansive, cultural definition. For example, Area and population of European countries lists the numbers for the European portion of transcontinental countries, but for countries which lie outside the most common border, their entire stats are listed with an indicator.

This list already does well to mark the maybe-Europe cities as un-ranked, which tells the reader that definitions are unclear.

Now, we could be stretching it a bit if a huge Metropolis forms on the eastern edge of Siberia, but none of the existing cities that could be considered culturally or politically European seem like a stretch to me, at least for inclusion with a disclaimer. Wizmut (talk) 22:24, 17 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Solution to edit wars on which cities are in Europe and which are not[edit]

Just use this map. Makes everything easier. That map should be used in all Europe/Asia border clash type of articles actually. Youprayteas (t • c) 11:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you are not serious here... I can find a map proving anything regarding Euroasian border. When I feel like Istanbul is in Asia a can just use this one. --Pan Někdo (talk) 10:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lol whole of Russia is in Europe?? At least Turkey is doable but still to end this war let's just use one continent called Eurasia. Fights over; Turkey is in Eurasia and Russia is in Eurasia. RickyBlair668 (talk) 07:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I meant was that Turkey, Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia should be included in all Europe and Asia matters Youprayteas ^talk^/^contribs 14:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's absurd: should we recognise Vladivostok as European? Or Kaliningrad as Asian? Obviously not... --Pan Někdo (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

London[edit]

It has come to my attention that this list is fairy skewed. Paris is much larger than stated for example, but the figure given is for the city proper.

It seems to be lost however that London can also be calculated comparatively. London city proper was changed in 1889 from the city of London to the county of London. This area is now known as inner London and has a population of 3,404,300 (see the Wikipedia page on Inner London). It is this value that should appear on this list, not the Greater London figure of 8.7 million nor the urban area figure of nine-point-something million. TMcB23 (talk) 23:24, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how is that that is instambul biggest europian citty when turkey is not european countire? 109.43.114.120 (talk) 10:33, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BAKU???[edit]

Okay. So this is literally double standards. If Tblisi and Yerevan are included, then Baku should be too. If Baku is not to be included, then the other 2 should be removed. I. understand all the discussion behind this but at this current state Baku should be included or all caucasusian cities should be removed. Youprayteas ^talk^/^contribs 18:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An IP removed Baku in May 2023 and nobody restored it since then. I will return it to the table. FromCzech (talk) 18:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is Athens?[edit]

... 2A02:587:8737:1400:E124:E699:280A:754A (talk) 10:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As the Athens page says, the population is 643,452. FromCzech (talk) 11:03, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]