Talk:Nichkhun

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So is he Thai-American or Thai-Chinese? This needs to be clearer in the article as now it says he is "a Thai-American" and then two lines later says "Nichkhun is Thai-Chinese" Unlikelylads (talk) 10:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)He is on a new show called Welcome to show.

Merge with 2PM article?

He isn't a solo singer who has worked alot outside of his group, besides the work he does in Thailand. There isn't much significant information that hasn't already been mentioned in the 2PM page.--Daydreamer198 (talk) 14:22, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Why Was this page Vandalized?

A lot of work went into the original version of this page. There was no reason to merge it and remove all of the work that had already been done. Mikepellerin (talk) 01:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

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he is not thai citizen

he is not thai citizen so not need to add category of thai chinese, american of thai descent, and all of about thai.--โจ : แฟนท่าเรือ : เกรียนที่หน้าตาไม่ดีแห่งไร้สาระนุกรม : พูดคุยกับควายตัวนี้ได้ที่นี่ 16:33, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 07:28, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

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(See parallel discussion at Talk:Jang Wooyoung)

Nichkhun Horvejkul → Nichkhun – Nichkhun is referred to almost exclusively by his given name in common practice. His page on last.fm uses just the given name, His rabid fans refer to him by his given name or a variation on it (Khunnie is my favorite.. but anyways). His Thai (sur)name of Horvejkul is less popular than his Korean (given) name, since he performs and lives in Korea. In a practical sense, Nichkhun is going to be referred to by his Korean given name in Korea. Even our page on 2PM overwhelmingly prefers the given name form, and the Korean wiki uses his given name for its page title. CaseyPenk (talk) 02:28, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

 Added This article is within the scope of three WikiProjects, and I think we have to notify WP Thailand before we move the page. In addition, IMHO the rationale to drop his last name from the article's title is rather weak: People already could find this page with a redirect from Nichkhun, and there's no fixed rule as to using stage name for a biography of musician. When I checked the band member's articles, some of them use their full name while others use their stage name as the title. Best, --PBJT (talk) 22:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, WP:STAGENAME prefers stage names when those stage names are widely used in the media. Per that policy: "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title, even if it is not their "real" name [...]" Nichkhun is both more concise and more reflective of his name in common practice. I can assure you he's overwhelmingly referred to by his given name. I would note that all the members of Big Bang have their stage names as their page titles -- G-Dragon, T.O.P, Taeyang, Daesung and Seungri. See also TVXQ members Yunho, Changmin, Jaejoong, Yoochun, and Junsu. Just as Dong Youngbae goes by the stage name of Taeyang, so does Nichkhun Horvejkul go by Nichkhun. CaseyPenk (talk) 05:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree I changed my position to Support, and notified WP:THAI at Talk:WP Thailand. Best, --PBJT (talk) 18:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I really appreciate the support, and thanks for letting them know! CaseyPenk (talk) 18:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Driving under the influence controversy

Why has any mention of this controversy been removed and pushed away? Particularly by Drmies. OK, it may have been badly written, but it was well-sourced and with a bit more work it could have been brought up to Wikipedia's standards. Just because said controversy sheds bad light on the person the article is about does not mean it shouldn't be included. I would argue that the entire DUI situation is the most notable event in Nickhun's career so far.

Regardless of biased views from a previously mentioned "Administrator", I think a mention of the DUI controversy and the aftermath should be included due to its notability and reference. There are plenty of solid facts, but there are definitely rumours and unverified sources that should be avoided.

Edit: Mikepellerin also seems to be removing goods edits that concern the DUI controversy as it seems to irk him/her. Please leave your personal views on the matter at the metaphorical door that is your internet browser.

Just unknown (talk) 20:35, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Had the author of this section (Just unknown) bothered to actually read the History Section of the article, they would see that it was I who added most of the paragraphs and references about the DUI incident before they were removed under WP:BLP and WP:BLPCRIME. Any further edits I made were done under the aforementioned guidlines. Maybe they should have read and done their homework before making inflammatory statements. --Mikepellerin (talk) 18:40, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• If the DUI incident is the most notable event, he needs to be deleted per WP:BLP1E. Fortunately for him, it's not. This incident is nothing: he hit a car from behind? No criminal investigation, no jailtime, no one killed? It's not worth mentioning, and personal views have little to do with this matter. Now, you can yak about "biased views" all you want, and accuse others of having personal opinions rather than carefully weighted judgments deriving from policy, but my viewpoint is guided by WP:BLP, including such sections as WP:BLPCRIME--and this wasn't even a crime. Drmies (talk) 21:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Are you crazy?! This incident is nothing?! LOL I have never seen someone so deluded on Wikipedia, let alone an admin. The amount of press the entire DUI incident received, as well as the positive and negative response from fans and media, is quite the opposite of nothing. All of you have to do is a quick google to see the English articles concerning this controversy...the Korean media is on an entirely different level. Heck, Google even gives you the autocomplete for it.

I'm not saying the section should consist of many paragraphs and be in-depth; I'm not even saying it should have it's own section. It is definitely a SIGNIFICANT and NOTABLE event in Nickhun's and 2PM's careers to-date, and should therefore be mentioned. Perhaps the Background section can be changed to Biography and it can fit in there. To argue that this controversy is insignificant and "not worth mentioning" is far-fetched to say the least. The only valid argument for not including anything about this controversy is that the article is extremely spare and lacks detail as of right now, but it would be wrong to discourage any improvement, right?

Just unknown (talk) 23:52, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hmm. You want to have a reasonable discussion with someone you list in quotation marks, as if their adminship shouldn't be taken seriously, and whom you call deluded and crazy. That's great; good luck. Drmies (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

You're right, it shouldn't be taken seriously, because wikipedia adminship is the some of the most trivial bullshit in the world and regularly undermines the entire point of wikipedia. 119.224.81.14 (talk) 08:37, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

OP is right: Nichkhun drove drunk, hit a man and put him in the hospital. It was a huge scandal and he was suspended from the group. The fact that this very big deal is being kept off of the page smacks of fangirl bias. Strange how this always happens with male kpop idols, isn't it? Daesung killed a man and it's barely a sentence on his page, and even that is amazing. Nichkhun's DUI needs to be in here.69.62.176.156 (talk) 07:51, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Driving under influence and article neutrality

Unfortunately, it is clear to see that this article has been "protected" by fans of Nichkhun to keep the DUI controversy from being mentioned. As this has been happening for quite some time, the article has lost its neutral point of view. As the article is quite short right now, a tidy up and expansion will not be too tedious.Just unknown (talk) 22:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

• No, that's not clear at all. I'm no fan, but I will protect (no quotation marks necessary) this page from serious BLP violations. It has been determined that there is no huge controversy, and one wonders if the editors calling for that minor, minor incident to be reported here aren't working for a record or management company, or are people who are otherwise interested in detracting from a living person's reputation. You are welcome to make a case on this talk page, but drive-by tagging is not OK, and if needs be this article will be protected. You may, alternatively, try your luck at WP:BLPN: if you do, you will no doubt get confirmation that this "information" is a BLP violation. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:36, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • Who determined that there was no huge controversy? I don't see any conclusive decision from any relevant discussion on this talk page about the DUI incident. Just unknown (talk) 00:00, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
    • This is a BLP. Rigorous sourcing is required, and we err on the side of caution. Any evidence has to come from your side (and that one IP editor, maybe): rock-solid evidence of the notability of the events and the actual existence of a controversy. Fan sites are out, and that means all portals and PR vehicles, including allkpop. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
      • I came here actually looking to find and reread information about the drunk driving controversy and found nothing. It's a notable controversy in his career and thus I think should be mentioned here. I think disregard of it and failure to include it isn't what Wikipedia is about/for. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.23.137.80 (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Removed some awards

As per prior consensus, I have removed the fan-run and non-notable awards. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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When I reported The Fearless Vampire Killers for copyvio (nearly the entire article was copied from two sites), it didn't receive the accompanying (antagonistic), warning that was produced here by Random86. The article was just corrected, and let to live on. It didn't need to have some future warning to others who may possibly re-wright the material that they may get in trouble. This is just posturing on the behalf of the editor. Editors need to fix articles, not destroy them! Mikepellerin^talk 04:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Mikepellerin, I am only following the instructions at WP:CPI, where it says "Please note the reason for removal in the edit summary and at the article's talk page (you may wish to use {{subst:cclean}})." You should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia guidelines before once again accusing editors of "destroying" articles. The message you are calling "antagonistic" is a template that is recommended for use. Random86 (talk) 06:31, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

The drunk driving accident

I came here looking for more information on his accident, like what happened exactly and how he had atoned for it or felt depressed and found nothing. Since it get's mentioned by netizens all the time on any article involving jyp I feel like it is something that should be on here since it was a big issue. I mean if I recall correctly he hit and killed a man with his car. That seems worth mentioning. Peachywink (talk) 14:54, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Read the discussions about that issue above. It has already been discussed and argued to death. Mikepellerin^talk 22:34, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

...and No, he did not kill anybody. Even though they are unreliable, I suggest you take a look at Allkpop and Soompi and you'll get the story. Mikepellerin^talk 22:37, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Relationship with Tiffany.

Hello,

Please note that the Relationship between Nichkhun and Tiffany are sourced by its relevant RELIABLE SOURCES. There is no need to remove the statement in the "Personal Life".

Thanks...

Tibbydibby (talk) 23:37, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Nichkhun's Birth Index

It appears that Nichkhun was born in Los Angeles though, according to the California Birth Index. What do you guys think, and should I change it to reflect that? But it doesn't prove where Nichkhun was raised though, only where he was actually born.

Source:

Tibbydibby (talk) 05:26, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

There is no source for Rancho Cucamonga, so it should probably be changed. The California Birth Index only includes the county of birth, so he was born in Los Angeles County. Random86 (talk) 08:16, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Nichkhun approved this article that lists his birthplace in this interview: http://www.philstar.com/entertainment/2013/02/24/912380/bench-nichkhun Hope this helps. Mikepellerin^talk 01:12, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mikepellerin: It only described his apparent birthplace in the background paragraph, not in the interview from what I read. The California Birth Index are birth indexes from governmental sources listed by county. Nichkhun was listed as born in the Los Angeles county at the time of birth. He may have been raised in Rancho Cucamonga and the article did mention that he went to Rancho Cucamonga High, but according to the birth index, it's LA. Hope this helps your understanding! :) Tibbydibby (talk) 16:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Tibbydibby: A person can be born in one city and the birth registered in another I myself was born Methuen, but my birth was registered in Lawrence. The LA birth index only states that he was born in LA County as @Random86: states. Mikepellerin^talk 20:31, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

@Mikepellerin: That is definitely a great point! The issue of birth places is a tad bit difficult in all honesty, because I could not find whether I should include his birth place (LA) or his birth registration (Rancho Cugamonga) in the WP:BLP (policy related to biographies of living person). For the time being I'm going to take my time looking further into whether the Birth Place or Registration Location would be placed as his location of birth. But this I will do... reference his birthday using the California Birth Index. Tibbydibby (talk) 00:44, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

If he was born in LA County like CABI suggests, he was not born in Rancho Cucamonga. The information comes from birth certificates. I could be wrong, but I think births have to be registered in the county of birth. For example, Methuen and Lawrence are both in Essex County, Mass. Random86 (talk) 02:07, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

@Random86:, @Tibbydibby: I think we all have good points, but I was going through all of the page histories and the Ref to Rancho Cucamonga only pops up in one edit by an anon IP. I wonder if this was all a wild goose chase after all.

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