Talk:Silent majority

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Could someone rewrite this article and incorporating reference? As it stands it's almost unintelligible.

I removed "see also" links to the Moral Majority and Straw man because it isn't apparent how they relate to the Silent Majority. The straw man fallacy refers to attacking a weak version of another's argument, rather than the actual opposing argument, and is not relevant to this article. --DDerby-(talk) 23:12, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Attacks on Anti-War Protestors

The people referred to as the silent majority were not facile at writing letters to the editor, voting in primaries, or attending caucuses, but some of them expressed themselves in other ways. They hurled bottles and bricks at anti-war marchers. At the University of Iowa, when protesters (I was nearby but was not one of them) blocked marine recruiters at the student union, some members of the football team appeared with spikes on and ran over the protestors after knocking them down.Carrionluggage 00:55, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

That's horrible. They have a right to protest, just as you do. – Aquarelle 12:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

But nobody has the right to block access to work, travel, etc., - that's where other people got angry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.169.36.161 (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

On a semi-related note, an old high school textbook of mine showed a picture of a counter-demonstration by construction workers. I can't find this picture anywhere, but if it is public domain I believe it would make a nice addition to the article. Sort of reinforcing the point made in the article concerning the blue-collar make-up of the Silent Majority. - Chops79 00:18, 25 April 2006 {UTC}

conservative bias?

I think this article may have a conservative bias. When you say "made up the backbone of America" and "didn't have the time or ability" to participate in politics you're implying that their views are superior to liberal ones--Ezadarque 22:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Liberal bias:

"who didn't support civil rights for African-Americans" - That is a completely false characterization of Nixon's policy and the policy of the greater GOP. Check the voting record for the civil rights acts of the 1960s. Republicans out-voted Democrats in favor of civil rights every time.

"who didn't support desegregation" - Nixon supported desegregation. Check the record. He opposed busing because he didn't believe the government should be in the business of tearing apart traditional African-American communities.

Shall we edit both then?--Ezadarque 22:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Wrong on every count. It's a totally accurate characterization, and your assertion that Republicans out-voted Democrats in favor of civil rights (when Republicans were such a tiny minority in Congress as to be virtually irrelevant at the time) is loony. And to say Nixon supported desegregation but opposed busing is doublespeak. He supported the idea of desegregation, but opposed actually doing anything to desegregate? Then his support of desegregation was meaningless lip service. 24.214.230.66 (talk) 19:52, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

"Liberal media?"

The article takes Nixon's "great silent majority" as good coin, "vindicatd" by the 1972 election. It neglects to add that within less than three years, Nixon was facing impeachment and forced to resign, and mass opposition to the Vietnam war had forced a complete US withdrawal.

More disturbing is the reference to the media covering protests in order "to boost the media's own left-wing bias." This is unsubstantiated--and certainly at odds with its treatment of the protests against the Iraq war.

The article invokes the 2000 election as a confirmation of the existence of the "great silent majority." It attributes the controversy in 2000 to a "liberal media" which called the election for Al Gore because it was supposedly working off of exit polls "focusing on radical leftists and black voters in Florida." It states that the results were reversed by "later estimates of voters." None of these extremely questionable assertions, which appear to conform to a definite conservative agenda, are substantiated.--Bvanna 18:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Article Neutrality

This article is very much not neutral. I think that it is a good article to have (the concept of the silent majority is referred to often in politics). However this article makes a number of unsubstiated claims and uses language that could be interpretted as offensive to the socalled leftists and also those who form part of the silent majority61.69.174.127 12:00, 5 February 2007 (UTC)jjansson Agreed. --136.152.146.223 21:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

In bad need of a cleanup...

Pages like this are the reason many scoff at Wikipedia as a legitimate reference. It is unorganized, unsubstantiated, and sounds to be authored by a C student attempting to stretch one sentence into four. Editing a jumbled mess such as this is sadly beyond my own attempts; perhaps a better soul will put it on themselves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmoss (talk • contribs) 04:22, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Origin

I think Madam Nhu in Vietnam first came up with the expression. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.239.66.81 (talk) 05:32, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have a source, and can edit the article in a way that improves it, you might want to mention it in the article. SlowJog (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I just heard on the radio that as a candidate in the presidential primary, Nixon gave what is called the "Silent Center" speech in May, 1968. Apparently, the phrase from this speech eventually evolved into "Silent Majority." See http://weekendamerica.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/05/16/silent_center/

SlowJog (talk) 17:42, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I get rid of that box around my signature?

The box is created by blanks at the beginning of a line. Str1977 ^(talk) 16:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Here are some good discussions of the origin of the phrase, with citations: http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/12/messages/1058.html --24.46.164.83 (talk) 02:24, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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This article should be moved back to "silent majority," because this article is about said term. —Tokek (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it back, as the recent move appears to have been undiscussed and there are pretty strong indications that this is the primary topic. If that is not clear, a new move discussion can be initiated. older ≠ wiser 01:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

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Bevan's use of "the silent majority"

Nye Bevan, the founder of the NHS in the UK, used, in the 1940s, to call women, ‘the silent majority’. Msrasnw (talk) 19:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

J. Sid Raehn in 1968 at FSU

J. Sid Raehn supposedly coined the phrase "silent majority" in 1968 while a student at Florida State University, with the application specifically aimed to describe students who were not protesting the war in Vietnam. The webpages which tell this story include portions that were written by J. Sid Raehn himself, and I cannot find a single reference to confirm either the details or the general gist of the claim. Raehn writes that CBS News editor Lee Townsend came to FSU to interview and film those involved, with resulting clips shown by Walter Cronkite on the CBS Evening News. If this was the case, a glimmer of this appearance should be present online somewhere, but I find nothing to substantiate it. Here are the links under discussion:

• http://myweb.fsu.edu/jkoslow/studentprojects/pubhisfall06website/timeline.html
• http://www.fsu.edu/~fsu150/memorybook/ym_50-60.html

More to the point, a Google search for Raehn and "silent majority" turns up only these two FSU pages which Raehn himself authored. With no apparent support for the story, Raehn's tale appears to be greatly inflated self promotion or a hoax. Binksternet (talk) 22:19, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

King riots influence?

I removed the following addition to the article:

Journalist Clay Risen describes the King assassination riots as central to Nixon's "Silent Majority" campaign. Frightening images of violent rioters represented the population to which the Silent Majority was opposed. According to Risen, Nixon never alluded directly to civil rights or riots until April 1968.

• Reference: Risen, Clay (2009). "Prologue". A nation on fire: America in the wake of the King assassination. Hoboken, N.J.: John Wiley & Sons. p. 4. ISBN 978-0-470-17710-5. (Also available with very slight wording changes at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/04/thelegacyofthe1968riots )

I took this bit out because of several reasons. Clay Risen writes about the King assassination riots:

"The riots thus provided an entrée for conservatives to finally, fully assert law and order as a national political issue. Something that had been brewing for decades at the local level, and which had played a role in the GOP congressional and state-level victories of 1966, became the single most important domestic concern in the 1968 presidential race. Polls repeatedly put racial unrest at a par with, and even above, the Vietnam War. Richard Nixon, who had largely avoided talking about riots and civil rights before April, now made law and order—and the revulsion of white suburbia against the violent images of rioters reacting to King's death—a central theme in his campaign. The riots played a critical role in giving the campaign a bridge to capture the white racial backlash, which it recast as the 'Silent Majority': in Nixon speechwriter Ray Price's words, the "rebellion by the quiet Americans—those who pay their taxes, go to their jobs, perform their duties, maintain their homes, send their children to school and college."

Risen is making a novel connection (which is his right as a writer), but I think it is not worthy of inclusion here. Risen's new premise is that the Nixon campaign used the concept of "silent majority" in the 1968 presidential race. We know, of course, that Nixon did not make his "Silent Majority" speech until November 1969, a year after the voters had made him president-elect, ten months after he took office. Clearly, he was not using the phrase outright in his presidential campaign.

Nixon speechwriter Ray Price said that Nixon wrote the "Silent Majority" speech alone, according to Hal Bochin. Bochin was professor of speech communication at California State University, Fresno. Bochin wrote,

"Surprising in light of the strong speechwriting staff he assembled to assist him is that Nixon's most successful speech as president was one he wrote entirely by himself. The 'silent majority' speech of November 1969 was written in seclusion at Camp David and the day of the speech Price could only report: 'I don't know what's in the speech. I contributed nothing—not even a flourish.' This speech took the wind out of the antiwar movement and gave Nixon time for his Vietnamization plan to work."

Bochin brings up the final complaint I have of Risen's premise, that the Nixon campaign concept of "silent majority" was largely in response to race riots, not antiwar protests. Most commentators observe that Nixon's speech was about his goals for American involvement in Vietnam, not about race riots. In this manner Risen voices a lone sentiment on the fringe of mainstream historiography. I think including Risen's book is undue emphasis on what can be best described as a minor viewpoint. Binksternet (talk) 19:42, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Synonym for the dead

Perhaps this use of the term shouldn't feature so prominently. The term isn't widely understood as such, so it seems like this marginal curiosity is given undue weight. Heptor (talk) 07:16, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

"Vocal minority" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Vocal minority has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 22 § Vocal minority until a consensus is reached. FMSky (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)