Talk:North Macedonia

North Macedonia was never under Persian rule

Throughout antiquity, the region where North Macedonia is now located was not part of the Achaemenid Persian Empire's territory. Historical maps from that era do not depict this region as part of the Persian Empire's holdings. Additionally, it's important to note that this region is not synonymous with ancient Macedonia, which was centered further south and included territories that are part of modern Greece. Skyuruka (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you're right (it was on the border when the Persians were moving troops by land to invade Greece, or were invading Scythia, but it was never in). However, there are no available maps from that era, only much later retroactive maps. AnonMoos (talk) 16:39, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I misspoke. By 'maps of that era,' I meant maps showing the Persian Empire of that time. I mean, any map showing the Persian Empire does not include the current region of North Macedonia. Therefore, I suggest that the mention of the country once being part of that empire should be removed from the article. Skyuruka (talk) 04:11, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Krusevo republic

can someone add Krusevo republic in establishment history? 79.125.235.210 (talk) 19:27, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Land area is 25,713km2

land area is calculated with lake area too 79.125.235.210 (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

See #Macedinia is 25,713km2. CMD (talk) 01:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 July 2024

In this phrase from the introduction:

In 2018, the dispute was resolved with an agreement that the country

The word "agreement" is linked to Prespa Agreement. This is good, but someone could guess that it's an extraneous link to the agreement article. Please change the link from [[Prespa Agreement|agreement]] to [[Prespa Agreement|an agreement]] so that the link more clearly refers to this specific agreement. 123.51.107.94 (talk) 02:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done with a slight modification; I included the words "resolved with an agreement" so the distinction is more obvious. Left guide (talk) 05:26, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

I suggest that under the demonym "Macedonian" we should also include the term "North Macedonian" in the article's tab

I suggest that under the demonym "Macedonian" we should also include the term "North Macedonian" in the article's tab with the description "(unofficial)" alongside for example, colloquially the vast majority of people usually describe something as being "North Macedonian" due to its association with the country in general and not the Macedonian ethnicity specifically. Take the Wikipedia article of east Timor for example which uses both terms East Timorese and Timorese in its demonym, or the articles about south and north Korea which also do the same although neither East Timor nor South and North Korea use officially any orientations alongside their endonyms but nonetheless the articles use them to make the content more accurate by also including the common global perception — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎Marenguista di Napoli d'Attica (talk • contribs) 02:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

A demonym, if that's what you're referring to (not endonym as in your heading) is something more specific than just an adjective referring to "something" from a country. A demonym, by definition, is the word that refers to the country's inhabitants. For this country, that word is indeed "Macedonian", and only that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 05:31, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the word I meant to say was demonym, excuse me for the typo, I fixed it, anyways. Yeah I agree with that statement but it isn't absolute, colloquially the term endonym is used by the global interception as I mentioned before to describe something which isn't specifically related with the ethnicity of a country but the country in general. You can check the examples I mentioned before, the articles of south and north Korea or East Timor. Marenguista di Napoli d'Attica (talk) 11:42, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Demonym*

My autocorrect keeps changing it, I apologize once again Marenguista di Napoli d'Attica (talk) 11:43, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

WP:MOSMAC reflects the decision of the wikipedia community and defines what naming should be used about North Macedonia, and a very concrete clique of people have put a lot of effort into ignoring these decisions. It would be nice if I could say that I agree with Future Perfect about the demonym, but I cannot do that because his argument contradicts himself and because of the effort he has made since 2019 to avoid using WP:MOSMAC. "North Macedonian" is absolutely correct wording for everything related to North Macedonia including people, and indeed the adjective "North Macedonian" was used in the main page of North Macedonia as a result of applying the decisions of wikipedians, but during the next years a clique of people who push their agenda found several excuses to avoid both the wording "North Macedonian" and the consensus reached in 2019. Right now there are ZERO usages of North Macedonian in the main page.

My comment regarding the demonym: the name of the people is not defined by any official document, otherwise we wouldn't discuss it. The name of the people is not defined for any country, not only for North Macedonia. Who defines what is the name for people of Germany, UK, Portugal, Brazil? No official document does it.

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should report facts that rely on what wording is used to refer to people from North Macedonia based on reliable sources.

I have no reason to disagree that the majority of reliable sources uses plain "Macedonian" for the demonym, but a quick google search shows that the wording "North Macedonian" is used as well to refer to people of North Macedonia according to reliable sources and international organizations. Therefore, what is the motivation to hide this fact from wikipedia? We can include both as demonym and still use the plain Macedonian in the articles. Peace in balkans (talk) 10:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)

Languages in North Macedonia

Article 7 of the North Macedonian constitution says : In the Republic of North Macedonia, the official language is the Macedonian language and its Cyrillic script. - Член 7 Во Република Северна Македонија службен јазик е македонскиот јазик и неговото кирилско писмо. Инквизитор771 (talk) 18:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Based on Article 7 of the North Macedonian constitution, which states that "In the Republic of North Macedonia, the official language is the Macedonian language and its Cyrillic script," it can be inferred that the Albanian language is not officially recognized as a co-official language in the Republic of North Macedonia. The constitution designates Macedonian as the sole official language. Инквизитор771 (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, the Law on Languages of 2019 was not ratified by the President and is deemed to be inconsistent with the North Macedonian Constitution. The Constitutional Court of North Macedonia is set to determine the law's constitutionality in October 2024. Инквизитор771 (talk) 18:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Until the Constitutional Court of North Macedonia renders a decision on the legality of the Law on Languages, Macedonian remains the sole official language of the Republic. Инквизитор771 (talk) 18:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

In light of these developments, I propose that we temporarily remove references to Albanian as an official language of North Macedonia from this article until the Constitutional Court's decision is finalized. This approach ensures that the content remains consistent with the current constitutional provisions and avoids potential misinformation. Инквизитор771 (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. --Local hero ^talk 22:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Seems like a POV-joke. On 15 January 2019 the Law on the Use of Languages came into effect, despite the refusal of President Gjorge Ivanov to sign off on it. The law was published in the government gazette after being signed by parliament Speaker Talat Xhaferi. In this way Albanian became a second official language in North Macedonia. The Albanian language until then could only be co-official in the areas where the Albanian minority represented at least 20% of the population per the 2008 Law on the Use of Languages spoken by at least 20% of the citizens in the units of the local self-government. The new law extended the official use of Albanian over the entire territory of the country. Under the new legislation, Macedonian continues to be the primary official language, while Albanian may be used now as a second one, including at a national level in official matters. The legislation stipulates also all public institutions in the country will provide Albanian translations in their everyday work. The fact that the constitutional court has been referred to and how and when it will rule on the matter is irrelevant to the current legislation, before the decision of the court, and even afterwards, if the court accepts that the law does not violate the constitution itself. Jingiby (talk) 17:25, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Your reply is just a copy-paste of text from Languages of North Macedonia. Anyway, per Article 7 of the constitution, only Macedonian is the official language. The constitutionality of the law mentioned in your copy-paste is pending. That being said, use of Albanian is definitely in more widespread use in reality following this law, whether or not it is constitutional. --Local hero ^talk 21:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

My replay is backed by reliable sources in the corresponding article. That above is only POV. Jingiby (talk) 12:11, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The constitutional court case is POV to point out? I was referring to the laziness of your reply, not the sourcing backing the text in the article. --Local hero ^talk 21:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)