Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Panama

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List of Miss Intercontinental titleholders

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This pageant has been repeatedly deemed non-notable in over a dozen prior AfDs.

It's time for these recreations that flew under the radar to meet the same fate. And let's title blacklist too. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This page provides a detailed list of the specific competition, which serves as a valuable resource for those interested in the event's history and significance. The competition has received considerable coverage from reputable media outlets, underscoring its relevance and public interest. Additionally, the pageant has recently gained attention due to its growing prominence and the achievements of its notable winners. These factors collectively establish the notability and encyclopedic value of the page, adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines for content inclusion. 🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 21:51, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Beauty pageants, and Panama. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and WP:SALT. Fails WP:NLIST. While I do see coverage of individual winners in individual years in reliable sources, I couldn't find any coverage on this pageant as a whole (ie big picture), and along with that, I could find zero sources discussing the winners as a group or a set. We need at least a couple sources directly talking about winners of the pageant as a whole in order to pass our criteria for lists.4meter4 (talk) 02:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I disagree with the recommendation to "Delete and WP:SALT" for several reasons. First, WP:NLIST does not strictly require coverage of the winners as a group or set if the pageant itself is notable and individual winners are notable. The list serves as an organizational and navigational tool, especially when individual winners have coverage in reliable sources. While it’s true that there may not be explicit sources discussing the winners as a "set," the consistent coverage of individual winners and the pageant across multiple years establishes a clear recognition of the group collectively. Secondary sources may not always explicitly address groups in these terms unless discussing specific trends, but that does not negate the relevance or value of the list. Moreover, the purpose of such a list is not solely to meet a narrow interpretation of WP:LISTN but to provide a comprehensive and accessible summary of verified information about the pageant's history. This aligns with Wikipedia’s goal of offering useful navigation and context. Instead of deleting the page, improvements could be made by better organizing existing sources, expanding the introduction to include commentary on the pageant’s significance, or adding historical context if relevant sources can be found. Finally, the suggestion to salt the page is premature and counterproductive. WP:SALT should be a last resort, used only when there is no potential for improvement. Deletion and salting overlook the collaborative nature of Wikipedia and the potential for incremental improvements. Addressing these concerns through constructive edits is a more appropriate and productive approach.🌼𝓡𝓬 𝓡𝓪𝓶𝔃🍁 (talk) 07:19, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GPTZero says this comment is largely AI-generated.

And the viewpoint of people like myself is that there is no potential for improvement here, as the dozen prior AfDs have shown again and again and again. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:43, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete It's concerning that this topic has been clearly gamed with the multiple article titles. I find the guidelines laid out in NLIST pretty easy to comprehend, a list may exist because the group or set is notable. The arguments made by Rc ramz are unpersuasive, especially their claim that the pageant itself is notable given the deletion history. Salting may be appropriate, and doesn't completely shut the door on improvement if that's what Rc ramz wants to take on; the procedures are explained at WP:SKYBLUELOCK. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oxford International School (Panama)

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Fails WP:NSCHOOL,should be redirected to The Oxford School (Panama) as an article already exists. Jinnllee90 (talk) 16:55, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2024 November 23. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 17:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education, Schools, and Panama. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While it does fail WP:NSCHOOL, I don't think it should be redirected as they are two different schools. Procyon117 (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This looks like another case of searching in the wrong language. This is called "Colegio Internacional Oxford" in Spanish, and the reason I know this is because it's profiled in a scholarly paper that gives both English and Spanish names. It also says that it is considered an Language immersion school by US standards but a English as a second or foreign language one by Panamanian standards. Under the Spanish name, I find a variety of sources [1][2][3][4][5] (and more) but my suggestion would be to redirect it to Panama City#Education, where it should be possible to write a decent paragraph that includes several international/non-Spanish schools in the city. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CU note nominator blocked as a checkuser confirmed sock.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as I think User:WhatamIdoing is arguing for a Redirection of this article. Is this true?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz, I think that a procedural keep of all this sock's noms might be in order.

Whether it's best to keep the article or redirect it needs someone who can read Spanish. I don't think that deletion is warranted. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WhatamIdoing, if the AFD nominator is a sockpuppet and no one has argued for Deletion, I could have closed this as a Speedy Keep. But an editor is arguing that this article should be deleted so the AFD has to run its course. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Procyon117, I agree with you that it should not be redirected to The Oxford School (Panama). However, I wonder how you would feel about redirecting it to the city/location? WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES indicates that this is a preferred outcome for non-notable schools, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities/Settlements: Article structure#Education says that every article about a city ought to have a section on ==Education==. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WhatamIdoing, after reading WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, I can support your suggestion. Putting it under an education section will indeed be preferable. Procyon117 (talk) 11:01, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]