Talk:13th Child

This article was nominated for deletion on 16 September 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on 18 September 2008. The result of the discussion was keep.

This article was nominated for deletion on 6 August 2016. The result of the discussion was speedy keep.

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Notability: Part III

I have added the link for this movie at Turner Classic Movies. I guess they think it's notable. miniluv (talk) 15:16, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability: Part II

The reviews for the film located on Rotten Tomatoes are from website reviews that are not what one would call mainstream or notable being mainly personal websites or personal blog not connected to a mainstream publication or newspaper. Any coverage of the film appears to be trivial.

The link to the director redirects to an American politician named “Thomas W. L. Ashley” which led me to believe the director was not one of note. An IMDB search indicated that this is the director’s first film, and he has not directed any other films since this movies release in 2002.

The actors in the film seem to be on the downward arc of their careers, this does not make the film less notable, but the presence of once notable actors in the twilight of their acting career should not be given undue weight for notability.

In the six year since the films release it does not appear, via an internet search, to have garnered a following among academics, not being used to illustrate any points of filmmaking, nor has it been cited as a milestone or other achievement in US filmmaking. Nor have critics taken a renewed interest in the film or otherwise made it part of a noted film festival. I could find no references to the film being shown at film festivals of large repute or note.

The film was a low budget direct to DVD release. This is not in itself a strike against notability, but in the six years since its release, the film appears to have not garnered a “cult following” or made a crap ton o’ money like “The Blair Witch Project”. The film has not been picked up by a major since its release for release or other large marketing scheme. It seems to have languished in obscurity. Barton Foley (talk) 15:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Notability

1) A cursory internet search only returns IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes and other minor secondary sources.

2) The IMDB reference does not meet notability guidelines per WP:NOTFLLM

3) There is no full-length featured newspaper articles from large circulation newspapers or full-length magazine reviews and criticism reviewing the film.

4) The film is widely distributed, but it has not received full length reviews by two or more nationally known critics.

5) The film is not historically notable.

6) The film was is not considered notable by a broad survey of film critics, academics, or movie professionals. (Yes the five years has not passed, but really, do you think this film will be on any of thoise lists?)

7) The film has not bee featured as part of a documentary, program, or retrospective on the history of cinema.

8) The film has not received a major award for excellence in some aspect of filmmaking.

9) The film has not been selected for preservation in a national archive.

10) As far as a internet search is concerned, the film is not "taught" as a subject at an accredited university or college with a notable film program.

11) The film does not in any way, shape or form represent a unique accomplishment in cinema, a milestone in the development of film art, or contributes significantly to the development of United States cinema.

I believe this film should be given a prod tag. It does not meet notability requirements of WP:NOTFLLM and should be nominated for deletion. Barton Foley (talk) 16:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE3DA173AF930A25753C1A9649C8B63}}
- In 13th Child on 2011-05-23 02:58:21, 404 Not found
- In 13th Child on 2011-06-01 15:10:13, 404 Not found

--JeffGBot (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link 2

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA259513.html
- In 13th Child on 2011-05-23 02:58:21, 404 Not Found
- In 13th Child on 2011-06-01 15:10:23, 404 Not Found

--JeffGBot (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]