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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
June 6, 2008	Good article nominee	Listed

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Okay I removed the note under name retirements about Katrina being retired in 2005 because a. the name Katrina has *not* been retired yet and announcements about retired names won't be made until Spring 2006 so the statement is untrue anyway. b. Even if the announcement had been made, as I said in my edit summary, retirements of names used on a list more than 20 years in the future is utterly irrelevent to the entry in question. Names to be retired are only mentioned in the entry for the year in which said name is retired. There is no need to confuse things by mentioning name retirements more than one list cycle (can't think of a better term for it) in the future!

-Hurricane Sapphire. (cute name eh? :P)

Please use next time ~~~~ to sign in. juan andrés 02:38, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And yeah your name is pretty fine. Would you like to help us with the Wikiproject? juan andrés 04:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Images for each storm

Tropical Storm Arlene
Tropical Storm Bret
Hurricane Cindy
Hurricane Emily
Hurricane Floyd- Can't find it as a hurricane. Hurricanehink
Tropical Storm Gert- See above. Hurricanehink
Hurricane Harvey
Hurricane Irene
Tropical Storm Jose
Hurricane Katrina
Subtropical Storm Three

All of them done. Hurricanehink 03:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

But why three? Maybe it is Subtropical Storm Thirteen juan andrés 04:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An error with Cindy confused me. Cindy was not a Hurricane as the picture says juan andrés 04:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gert is for female, right? Because I've never heard that name before juan andrés 04:41, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, after too much trouble it;s done! juan andrés 05:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good work. Whoops on Cindy, and that Subtropical Storm was the 3rd Subtropical Storm of the season. The other two became tropical. Hurricanehink 13:42, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I presume that's right on SS3. I named it that because the best-track called it "SUBTROP 3". Jdorje 17:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I understand... juan andrés 00:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of TDs

Eight

I became aware of this system today when looking for the next unnamed tropical depression to do rainfall graphics for prior to 1984. It had significant impact in Texas, so I included it. Expect a rainfall page for the system to be done during the afternoon and evening tomorrow. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is done. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:14, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Two

The associated rainfall graphics will be generated tonight. I'm digging for more information for the prospective TC rainfall page, so it will likely be updated again sometime during the next week or so. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All information I can find through NCDC has now been found. Thegreatdr (talk) 03:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The quandry of 21 tropical depressions

The only way to get to 21 this season, which was stated in the Monthly Weather Review tropical systems article in 1988 for 1981, is to include the 3 extra tropical depressions in the non-developmental database, which is not publicly released and therefore not able to be referenced. Of these 3, two impacted North America (one the East coast, the other Mexico) and will likely have rainfall files/pages dedicated to them in the next couple month or two. This means HPC will end up being the source of the information, rather than NHC. Oy. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only 3 more references needed

Once we find references for TD7, TD15, and the unusualness of the Bret landfall upon the Delmarva, I think we can consider GACing this puppy. Thegreatdr (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References should be taken care of now. It is GACed. Thegreatdr (talk) 03:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bret and the Delmarva

Please, consider edits carefully regarding Bret's impact on the Delmarva within TC history. Hurricanes have impacted that peninsula since at least 1878. Thegreatdr (talk) 01:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:1981 Atlantic hurricane season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. This page is for the review of the 1981 Atlantic hurricane season article. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for criteria)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):
The prose is generally decent, but there are some places with awkward working. One of the major problems here are the MoS breaches. Please make sure all numbers less than 10 are spelled out. The lead needs to be expanded, as well. Also, why is subtropical in italics in the Arlene section?
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Here's where the biggest problem is. The entire season summary section needs to be sourced, and at least every paragraph throughout the entire article needs a source. I'm seeing entire strorms' sections with only a single ref.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
I'd really like to see mroe info. The Katrina section, especially, should be expanded with some more impact information. Also, isn't there any rainfall information for Bret?
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
There are some POVish words in the article. For example, in "very heavy rainfall...", "very" is POVish.
It is stable.
No edit wars etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Good work, but there are too many issues to be passed at the present time. I'm afraid I'm going to have to fail it. When the issues are fixed, feel free to take it back to GAN. Good luck, Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 00:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree with parts of your review (and thanks for reviewing it), I take exception with more info being needed for each storm. According to the project page, Season articles should include an overall summary plus a short summary for each storm, with a link to the storm page where appropriate. I guess my question to you is what constitutes "short' in your eyes. If you want me to source the summary, which is already sourced well in the article below, that's an easy fix. I would say very easy, but that would violate POV. hehehee Thegreatdr (talk) 22:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, in my opinion, since storms like Irene and Bret don't have main articles, they should have more info than the sections with articles (damaging storms excluded). Maybe 5–10 sentences, depending on the length. The lead should be two paragraphs, as well. Yeah, the referencing should be ~~very~~ easy. :) Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 22:27, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The referencing is fixed. I'll get to the other issues after dinner. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's looking better already. You should also fix this: Dennis made landfall in Florida, moved back offshore before a final landfall in Virginia. Briefly becoming a hurricane. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 22:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Took out the couple POVish words mentioned. Made the wording change just suggested. Numbers less than 10 which are whole, and not part of a convert template, are now worded out. Added a couple lines to the lead. Since Katrina has its own article, I don't see why that section needs to be expanded since all relevant information is included in the main storm article. The one thing I can't figure out is how to edit that button bar at the bottom. The designations listed on it are wrong, and don't fit the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It looks much better. I still think the lead should be two paragraphs, though, as that is essential to a GA. Also, I don't think the button bar matters that much. Good luck, Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 00:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added another line to the lead, split it into two paragraphs, and fixed button bar. Thegreatdr (talk) 13:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I didn't mean split the lead into two paragraphs as I meant expand the lead. You might want to take a look at WP:LEAD#Length. According to that, the lead should be about three&ndas;four paragraphs. (Sorry if I'm being a pain, but I just want to keep the GA standard high.) Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 13:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This came up during the tropical cyclone FAC review, but I'm willing to rehash it here. The article length may be 44 kb, but at least 10 kb of it is references according to the first page of the article history. Should we really be providing extra lead text for reference length? Because of the preferred format within the Tropical Cyclone Wikiproject for annual articles, we have the same information described four times within this article, with summaries in the lead, season summary, and annual summary table. I don't think they had this repetitive article/information structure in mind MoS-wise when they made up the length of lead rules. I've posted a message in the good article nomination talk room to see if MoS was designed to cover this type of article structure. If I include more text in the lead, it will mirror the season summary section, and the way I read MoS, it is against excessive repetition. Thegreatdr (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←I suppose you're right. It now looks good enough to pass...Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 14:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Added another line to the lead. After thinking it over, it seems like the season summary recommended within season articles should really serve as their lead. Added a couple lines regarding Bret's rainfall impact per your suggestion. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great, it looks good. :) This may be FACable with some more referencing and expanding. Juliancolton ^Tropical ^Cyclone 15:37, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mitch was looking for "help" in getting this to FA. I'll probably leave the rest of the work to him. I've got 40+ other orphaned articles which I've previously contributed to that still need to reach GA. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:43, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Missing depressions

I'm continuing my work with historic cyclone tracks and... I've come across some depressions in the IBTrACS database which have accompanying ATCF best track files, which make the numbering system used on this article incorrect. Not sure how they should go about being updated or how many seasons may be affected by this. Some brief reading further up in the talk page seems to indicate these storms weren't in the archives previously, but I'm not too sure about that. Any info?

An example: 1

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Arlene Merger

CONSENSUS EXISTS

Consensus exists for a merge. Noah, AA^Talk 13:33, 27 February 2024 (UTC) (non-admin closure)[reply]

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I believe that Tropical Storm Arlene (1981) fails WP:NWX due to minimal impact/meteorological significance and should be merged into this article. There isn't anything there that couldn't be said here. Noah, AA^Talk 12:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge. I'm not going to base merging per WP:NWX since it's an essay on notability and not an official notability guideline, but rather the tropical cyclone failing WP:GNG, WP:EVENTCRIT, WP:NSUSTAINED, and WP:LASTING. This tropical cyclone has zero significant, secondary coverage, and virtually every single source is a primary one. The only secondary sources I found that mention the tropical cyclone are non-significant coverage of the tropical cyclone and brief mentions in a book here and here and yet another source (in the article) containing a very brief mention of the tropical cyclone here. Thus, it fails EVENTCRIT and GNG per the lack of secondary sources, as well as no lasting impact. Therefore, I support a merge to 1981 Atlantic hurricane season#Tropical Storm Arlene. ~ Tails Wx (🐾, me!) 06:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - minimal impacts, could be said easily in season section. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 03:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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