Talk:2011 IndyCar Series

Anniversary

How can the 95th Indy 500 commemorate its hundredth anniversary? 24.4.252.230 (talk) 06:23, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

• The first Indy 500 was run in 1911. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.31.168.195 (talk) 18:40, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't ran (Did you mean run? Check your grammar before calling someone else "dumbass", smartypants.) during WWI and WWII (no comma here?) you dumbass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.177.227.10 (talk) 21:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The track opened in 1909. The first Indy 500 was run in 1911. The race wasn't held in 1917-1918 or 1942-1945. Add up the races, and the 2011 event will be the 95th running. If you notice, for the 2009-2011 Centennial Era, the Speedway is not mentioning the ordinal (e.g. 93rd, 94th, 95th) because it will cause confusion.

A while back, they had to make a decision on when to celebrate the 100th anniversary. They could do it for 2009, 2011, or 2016 (when the actual 100th Indy 500 will be). The decided to do it sooner than later...frankly they needed money and attention. So 2011 will be the "huge" year. They kind of did the same thing in 1961, which was the 50th anniversary of the 1911 race. the 50th race didn't happen until 1966. In 2016, they will play up the 100th race...we'll see how big they make it. Of course they did the opposite for the 75th anniversary. The 75th anniversary of the first Indy 500 was in 1986, and they didn't do much except make a poster. The big celebration for the 75th came in 1991 (the year the 75th race was held). Doctorindy (talk) 14:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

2010 entrant points (for team chart ordering)

Is there anywhere that one would find the entrant points standings anymore? indycar.com's new makeover seems to have buried that statistic. 172.129.31.92 (talk) 04:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

It's listed here. -Drdisque (talk) 00:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Temporary means temporary

As the Edmonton circuit doesn't exist anytime except the race weekend, it's temporary. That's the definition of the word. But, it's original research to separate courses this way as IndyCar only distinguishes between road courses and ovals, so that's the only breakdown we can really give. Kuguar03 (talk) 04:52, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Driver rumors

Any chance we can get rid of the driver rumors and just switch to what is done for the F1 page? Rumors really don't belong on Wikipedia... 134.129.203.20 (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Please do not post rumors in the article. --Gamma127 (talk) 21:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

I tried to get this page protected a while back and couldn't get any support. I'm not sure it would have made much of a difference though as many of the editors adding rumors and speculation are autoconfirmed anyways. Kuguar03 (talk) 08:43, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Vegas

Guys, the source which adds Cunningham's limited schedule mentioned Vegas, thus adding Vegas makes sense, seeing as there's nothing saying to the contrary as of yet? Several other sites which report on it also mention Vegas as well - although while that may be simply as they all reported from a press release, it still shows that they know something that probably hasn't yet been publicly announced for a reason. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 18:31, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

There are speculations about Las Vegas for a long time. But we have to wait until an official announcement is made. There would be a reason why here stand TBA on October 16. --Gamma127 (talk) 19:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm well aware that it has officially been TBA since the announcement of the schedule last year. However, as it stands, this is the first source which has concretely mentioned anything with regards to the eventual decision as to whether it is Vegas or California. Another thing to note is that the report doesn't even have a hint of doubt in it. Maybe the original press release that this site, and other similar sites, mentioned Vegas before they were supposed to? Just because there was no official announcement doesn't mean that we are forced to ignore primary sources which report the info. IndyStar says Vegas, AutoSport says Vegas. Are you saying that well renowned reliable sources for IndyCar and the motorsport industry in general such as those can't be used to say so? TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 20:17, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

We wait in other season articles until an official announcement is made. So I does not see, why we should not do the same in this article. --Gamma127 (talk) 23:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Because in most of those cases, it's a bunch of IP vandals or newly-registered users adding it in because they heard the rumour without any concrete source (if any source at all) given. In this case, there is a source given which is currently used in the article, and there are several other sources which agree. And believe me, Curt Cavin of the IndyStar won't post something that's not true. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 00:21, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Until the series confirms it, it's a rumor. Kuguar03 (talk) 08:50, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Do we really need to wait until it's done, seeing as several of the sources say that the series will confirm it very soon. Besides, if they had incorrect information, why wouldn't they have removed it by now. It's pretty much come straight from the horse's mouth of Sam Schmidt Motorsports themselves. Seeing as they are involved with the series, does it not make sense that they know something we don't? FFS this is turning into the whole Newman-Haas ruckus from last year where everyone kept reverting despite the OBVIOUS changes. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 11:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes we have to wait until an official announcement. Otherwise we open the door for more and more speculations. This is not the place for speculations. Look for another place to post them. --Gamma127 (talk) 11:20, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

You say that as if I'm an IP vandal who is constantly trying to add unsourced information. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 14:50, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh hey, Froo just added a source that pretty much confirms it as well. Although you're still probably going to say we need to wait until the 22nd, despite pretty much all the confirmations from everyone else... TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 18:11, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

In the F1 season article we waited with adding Paul di Resta until the official announcement. There were media articles reporting that he has signed for a few days. But we waited until the announcement. So we should do here. --Gamma127 (talk) 19:39, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Is it really so hard to wait for official confirmation? Wikipedia is not a news source or a crystal ball. There is no benefit to the project in adding unverified rumors and speculation, of which there are many in the racing world. It's usually quite easy to tell the difference, but if you're having trouble distinguishing, please ask for help instead of starting an edit conflict. Kuguar03 (talk) 21:44, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

2011 season results table

Here is the season results table that I added to Simona de Silvestro for the 2011 season. The 2010 season is also listed, to compare.

IndyCar

Year	Team	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12	13	14	15	16	17	18	Rank	Points
2010	HVM Racing	SAO 16	STP 16	ALA 21	LBH 17	KAN 21	INDY 14	TXS 24	IOW 21	WGL 24	TOR 9	EDM 22	MDO 8	SNM 13	CHI 23	KTY 25	MOT 23	HMS 23		19th	242
2011	HVM Racing	STP	ALA	LBH	SAO	INDY	TXS 1	TXS 2	MIL	IOW	TOR	EDM	MDO	NWH	SNM	BAL	MOT	KTY	LSV	*	*

Years	Teams	Races	Poles	Wins	Podiums (Non-win)**	Top 10s (Non-podium)***	Indianapolis 500 Wins	Championships
2	1	18	0	0	0	2	0	0

* 2011 season in progress.

** Podium (Non-win) indicates 2nd or 3rd place finishes.

*** Top 10s (Non-podium) indicates 4th through 10th place finishes.

Manningmbd 18:18, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Box Score

• Blank Box Score table

Podium Finishers
Pos	Grid	No.	Driver	Team	Laps	Time	Led
1
2
3
Race average speed: 000.000 mph (0 km/h)
Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers
Cautions: 0 for 0 laps

Doctorindy (talk) 15:08, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

• I suggest that for the box above used for the Indianapolis 500 section, the title be changed to "Top 3 Finishers" because the "Podium" had historically been panned for the Indy 500. Also the same goes for Texas. The rest can use the term "Podium Finishers." Doctorindy (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

Agree, use "top three" for those races. -Drdisque (talk) 23:57, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

DNQ this season

Just though that maybe it would be an idea to have a small table here just to keep track of the number of definite DNQ's there may be throughout the year, what with the 26 car limit at all races bar Indy and Vegas. Bearing in mind 23 full-time cars as well as the currently announced part-time entries (Hinch and Matos inclusive) and well as the possibility of more throughout the year.

Track	Limit	Enter	DNQ	Non-full-time entries
St.Pete	26	25	0	Bourdais, Matos
Barber	26	26	0	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais, Matos
Long Beach	26	26	0	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais, Tracy
Sao Paulo	26	24	0	Bourdais
Indy	33	36	3	Hinchcliffe, J Andretti, Hamilton, Tracy, Howard, Bell, Carpenter, Junqueira, Scheckter, Wheldon, Baguette, (Two unnamed entries)
Texas	26	28	2	Hinchcliffe, Hamilton, Tracy, Cunningham, Carpenter
Milwaukee	26	24	0	Hinchcliffe
Iowa	26	25	0	Hinchcliffe, Carpenter
Toronto	26	26	0	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais, Tracy
Edmonton	26	26	0	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais, Tracy
Mid-Ohio	26	25	0	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais
New Hampshire	26	25	0	Hinchcliffe, Carpenter
Sonoma	26	27	1	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais, Tracy, Carpenter
Baltimore	26	26	0	Hinchcliffe, Bourdais, Carpenter
Motegi	26	23	0	none
Kentucky	26	26	0	Hinchcliffe, Cunningham, Carpenter
Las Vegas	30	27	0	Hinchcliffe, Hamilton, Cunningham, Carpenter

Nice work, but it looks like it might be in vain as Randy Bernard has said that he won't be sending cars home unless pit lane size dictates it. Instead they will only be paying the 26 cars that would have qualified under the rule. Additional cars will be racing unpaid. -Drdisque (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Typically, something as crucial as that detail wouldn't be advertised on the main IndyCar website, and is only made obvious through sifting through heaps of Google search results... They do specifically say that Milwaukee, Toronto and Mid-O are the trouble spots for pit lane size (especially after Mid-O last year!), so it's possible that depending on whether or not more part-time entries come in (particularly Matos), that Toronto and Mid-O will have some drivers sent home. Baltimore is still an unknown at this stage as well. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 17:02, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Indy 500 Entry List

http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com:8080/var/assets/IMS_EntryList.pdf

Does anyone recall what the story was last year when the entry list came out? Because the news story that was posted with the list said that there have been forty entries for a few years now, yet only 37 drivers made attempts last year?

Anyway, to the details:

• Wheldon is listed in the 98 rather than the 29 as previously posted. So, where does this leave Team 3G since they can't be the 98 now?
• What is this China Racing listed as the 89 car?
• Who entered the 16?
• Is AFS Racing and Matos really only a part-time team this year, since they seem to be assumed by most sources - including the Versus broadcast from Barber - to be full-time this year.

TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 22:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

In 2010 the following teams were on the entry list and never took to the track: #16 AJ Foyt Racing, #27 AFS Racing, #98 Team 3G.

• I don't think Bryan Herta Autosport using the #98 says anything about Team 3G, they were unlikely anyway, if they want to run, they can find another number.
• Nobody (even every "insider" I've seen) has no clue what China Racing is. There is conjecture that it has something to do with Ho-Pin Tung but that is merely speculation.
• We don't know if they are part time or not. They have not committed to the full season and since they don't have any outside sponsorship they are under no obligation with regards to which races they run. I have heard that they will only be running the Road & Street courses + Indy. We'll find out at Milwaukee if that's true or not. If they have a good Indy 500, they'll probably run more races. If they tear up a bunch of equipment they might be done for the year. -Drdisque (talk) 15:17, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, here's the theory regarding the #16 (again, just a theory). It is intended to be a Panther Racing/Highcroft Racing combined effort for Simon Pagenaud. However the deal isn't done and if it doesn't come together, Panther have entered #44 to run a second car of their own. Meaning it's highly unlikely that both the #16 and #44 will see the track. -Drdisque (talk) 15:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to put this out there and see what happens - delete anything that is not confirmed, IE the team have announced this is what we are doing, and here is our driver. Removes any speculation. If IMS release an entry list which has mysteries on it, don't include it. If speculation comes from an official source, that just makes it "Official Speculation". --Falcadore (talk) 00:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

In the past we've put what's on the entry list on the page and I don't really have a problem with that. In the past we have also removed entries that failed to materialize (didn't appear at the track/never announced a driver) once the field is set. -Drdisque (talk) 16:08, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Brazil

Brazil was rained out. AmericanLeMans (talk) 19:58, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, which is why Versus announced that they would be airing the race at 1pm EDT tomorrow, the 2nd of May. However, this does not confirm when the race itself will air, as there are conflicting reports from IndyCar as to whether it will happen later today, or tomorrow. But it is not called off, or cancelled. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 20:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Inadequate lead

I've added the context and inadequate lead tags to the top of the article. Three short sentences is very small lead for an article of this length and a racing series of this stature. Article leads should effectively introduce an article so a casual reader can pass by and get an impression of what the article is about. It is my belief that article leads should state the official name of the motor racing series being covered, explain what type of cars are in use (brief description of the cars, or at the very least explain whether they are sports cars, touring cars, open wheelers etc), where the races are held, the significance of the series (junior, international domestic, ladder series, very popular, professional, amateur, support category, headline act), manuifacturer involvement and who is leading the series. Of those, it seems only the location of the series is effectively covered by the lead at present.

Also because of its significance over and above the IndyCar series as a whole, the Indy 500 winner could rate a mention in the lead. --Falcadore (talk) 14:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

• That tag was rather unnecessary and unwarranted I think. Other sports season pages such as 2011 NFL season and 2011 Major League Baseball season are not much longer, and convey the same type and same context of information...(begin/end of season, dates, location of events, champion). Doctorindy (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

At the time (9 months ago) the lead was just three sentences long and contained more information about the Indy 500 than the Indycar season and contained no information about season performances. Might want to check against timestamps. And living down to poor standards elsewhere in Wikipedia I do not believe to be any form of justification. --Falcadore (talk) 15:20, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Motegi

Here are the correct results: [1], [2]. --Gamma127 (talk) 20:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

(Castroneves is not 7th... --Gamma127 (talk) 20:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC))

Then why don't you edit it in? Whenever I or Wolves update very soon after the race finishes, we generally work on the results at the finish line, and subsequent penalties are not included originally but are then edited in. But sometimes these penalties aren't made well known enough, I mean, I'm only finding this out about Helio's penalty now a day and a half later... TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 15:26, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't edit it in, because there is enough to do at the de-Wikipedia.

I did not follow the Motegi race, because I was sleeping at that time. I look at the official site, when I woke up (about 1-2 hours after the race). There was the corrected result and I did not know, that there was a penalty for Castroneves, until there was an article about that penalty on a German website.

I normally compare the de- and en-result-tables after a racing weekend to find errors. So I discovered the difference yesterday evening. (Normally I am the one, who was not able to add two values correctly ;-) So a big thank to everyone who is editing here!) --Gamma127 (talk) 16:54, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Vegas Kanaan Pole

It seems like Tony Kanaan did not earn the (1 point) for pole position !?!?--VanBurns (talk) 19:18, 20 October 2011 (MEZ)

No idea. It probably depends on what happened in 1999 when the race at Charlotte was abandoned - did the top three qualifiers get their points? I'm not too keen on completely emulating the driver standings page on IndyCar, since they ignore Junqueira's Indy qualification points, and don't list John Andretti at all. TheChrisD ^{Rants•Edits} 23:32, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

You're right with the indycar.com standings. Did anybody knows another way to get the official final results? IndyCar anounced, that they reset the Las Vegas race (means standings after Kentuky are official!?!)--VanBurns (talk) 12:38, 21 October 2011 (MEZ)

Here are the points until Kentucky. I think, they will publish a final version in the future.

The IndyCar-website acts really unprofessional. They simply deleted the Las Vegas session. For me that looks like they want us to lose sight of what happend in the race. --Gamma127 (talk) 15:54, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

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