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No Jumping the Gun

I just removed language describing Sen. Stewart-Cousins as the next Senate Majority Leader. This language is premature. The Senate will elect the next majority leader when the legislative session begins in 2019. While it is quite likely that Sen. Stewart-Cousins will be elected Senate Majority Leader at that time, Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia of future events. SunCrow (talk) 14:21, 20 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@SunCrow:

I think you and I both want this page to be the best it can be. I believe that my edits move the page closer to that. Specifically:

There were too many notes and references in the infobox re: Felder, including duplicates. I think it's better to detail all of it in its own section.
The successors to retiring incumbents is not relevant to the section saying that they retired. It's already covered in the detailed results section.

If you disagree, that's fine, but you can't just revert my edits without explaining yourself or attempting a dialogue. I've appreciated a lot of your work on this page and would rather not fight. Nevermore27 (talk) 06:33, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermore27, I share your goal of making the page the best it can be, and am willing to work with you toward that end. As to the retiring incumbents, I can accept not including the names of the successors in that section. As to the notes and references on Felder, I believe it is a complex situation and want to ensure clarity, which is why I just re-added a footnote in the infobox to explain what "SF" means. (I appreciate you catching the error in the infobox on the number of Republican senators post-election.) As to edit summaries without explanation, I will try to provide explanations from now on; however, I note--with respect--that you first removed some material I had added and did so without explanation in a few cases.

I just made a few fairly minor edits. Please let me know if they are acceptable to you. Thank you. SunCrow (talk) 07:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SunCrow: I apologize, I'm often bad at doing edit summaries but I find they're particularly important when doing reverts. Your latest edits are great, clarifying and welcomed. Nevermore27 (talk) 07:04, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nevermore27: Apology accepted, and thank you for your encouraging words. I also apologize for failing to include edit summaries on my reverts. SunCrow (talk) 07:34, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Results

User:John M Wolfson, thank you for adding the results map. Unfortunately (on my screen, at least), the very dark red and the very dark blue on the map are indistinguishable from each other; this makes the map confusing. Is there any non-labor-intensive way to adjust the color scheme somewhat? (I have no clue how to make maps and am not sure what is involved in making a change like that.) SunCrow (talk) 09:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Physically tilting the screen forward makes them easier to distinguish in my experience. However, if that's impossible or impractical, I would just simply download the image from Wikimedia Commons, make the requisite changes using Paint (or perhaps another software, though I don't know how to use any), and reupload it to Commons. Hope that helps! –John M Wolfson (talk) 15:30, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tilting the screen is not helping, and I am not familiar with the software. Anybody else out there that can help? The map really is confusing in its current form. Impossible (on my screen) to tell some Republican-won districts from Democrat-won districts. I am not comfortable leaving it like this. SunCrow (talk) 23:19, 19 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I meant tilting it down, are you sure it's not helping? Works fine for me. I can try to edit the colors, but I'd have to receive some consensus as to whether you all can tell the difference between a given color pair so I don't have to upload several versions to get it right. Can you tell the difference between this (the current GOP acclaimed color) and this (a Dem. acclaimed color I'm thinking of; the current Dem. acclaimed color is solid black)? –John M Wolfson (talk) 01:38, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Barely. Thanks for trying. Would it be possible to use some different colors besides the reds and blues? Or to simplify the map by condensing some categories? SunCrow (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I could map the "primary party" vote only (i.e., map a Democratic winner's vote share as a Democrat, as opposed to combining the winner's vote share as a Democrat, Working Families, etc.), although how honest/meaningful that would be is debatable. I was thinking of making such a map anyway, but as said before I'm not sure of it being the "main" map. –John M Wolfson (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Does the main map really need to show anything other than which seats were won by Dems and which were won by Repubs? Are we making the map more complex than it needs to be? SunCrow (talk) 05:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You have a point. I think vote share does matter and should be displayed (a razor-thin margin vs. a blowout), but parties are okay for the main map. I'll probably change the main map to that one and move the current main map to the "Results" section. –John M Wolfson (talk) 17:57, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The changes have been implemented. John M Wolfson (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@John M Wolfson: Is there a way to do the map and distinguish between holds and pickups? Nevermore27 (talk) 02:36, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I believe so, but then I'd have to go back and see which districts are which. I can do that tomorrow if you think that it would improve the content. -John M Wolfson (talk) 03:00, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@John M Wolfson: I very much do, and if you find it's workable I thank you in advance. Nevermore27 (talk) 03:09, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nevermore27: Done. John M Wolfson (talk) 03:20, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, John M Wolfson. SunCrow (talk) 04:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@John M Wolfson: How easy would it be to make Felder's district a different color, like green? Nevermore27 (talk) 21:18, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Nevermore27: Done for main map, not worth the trouble for the vote share map IMO. John M Wolfson (talk) 22:49, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@John M Wolfson: No I agree, thank you. Nevermore27 (talk) 22:54, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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