Talk:2024 Tour Championship/GA1

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Nominator: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 21:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: BarntToust (talk · contribs) 23:37, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@User:Lee Vilenski, do have to ask about something. In the notes, "For the 1st round match between Gary Wilson and Mark Selby, the source (WST) frame score data is incorrect. For the last (18th) frame WST has 52(52)‍–‍30. It was actually 105(105)‍–‍30." as well as "For the final match between Mark Williams and Ronnie O'Sullivan, the source (WST) frame score data is incorrect. For the last (15th) frame WST has 47‍–‍19. It was actually 50‍–‍19." - these are currently not verified by any source. If this is true, and if World Snooker Tour can't get their own match score right, that is very concerning? Should I be concerned? I'd appreciate some insight on this matter. Barnt Toust 23:44, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, the actual scoring mechanism of the governing body isn't always correct. Basically, how the scoring works is that the referees have a controller in their pockets and update the score with those.

Their own scoring is quite often a lot better than this, but we can only really note down where there is contradictions. In terms of frame scores, that doesn't actually change the overall score of a match, nor the content of Wikipedia. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fwiw, we don't usually link these at all normally, so I'm happy to remove. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski, if you can find a YouTube video or something like that from a perennial source of the final moments of a match and timestamp it where it shows the score, that's a-ok by me. If not, then I'd concur with removing it. Barnt Toust 15:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

if you think you can find anything, you might check on ITV's channels and see if they've got clip uploads. Barnt Toust 16:05, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Lee Vilenski, @AlH42, @Steveflan, I've some concerns about the WST's site and its reliability, so I'll bid to have them quelled. I'm tagging Al and Steve because they participated in an above discussion on Talk page of 2024 Tour Championship.

Besides the fact they can't get their scoring system correct, (which tempts me to put this on hold and to ask for a tertiary source if they may be found, or as above written a YouTube video) are there any concerns among any of you all about the reliability of the primary source on any other subjects concerning itself? Barnt Toust 01:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BarntToust: I don't know what you mean by "have them quelled" in this context. The WST and snooker.org are pretty‑much all we have. As far as I am aware, there is no tertiary source other than CueTracker, which is banned. Since the WST revamped their website last year, there have been a few instances of them getting scores wrong, but these are becoming less frequent as they are ironing out the wrinkles. For finals and semi‑finals, snooker.org records the frame scores. Alan (talk) 10:34, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...I just double‑checked, and snooker.org has the score correct for the last frame of the final, but the only place I could find with the score for the Wilson/Selby match is CueTracker. Alan (talk) 10:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have just added references to both footnotes. snooker.org for the final, and the BBC for the Wilson/Selby match which says that Wilson "sealed victory with a clearance of 105." Alan (talk) 11:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@AlH42 Hey, good to hear. I'm just concerned that the definitive authority on this subject can't be correct on the key matter of getting a score right. I'm just generally wondering if the source should be questioned in its reliability for other matters relating to the championship. Like, if the source for the World Snooker Tour can't get basic facts right, should I be concerned about the WP:V of other things as well? Barnt Toust 16:48, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you need to be too concerned. As I said above, these little problems are becoming less frequent, and we can use snooker.org, and news sources such as the BBC and Eurosport to verify data where necessary, as I just did for the footnotes. Alan (talk) 17:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If the ironing out process has gone well as you've said, I'll trust where third party sources denote correct info. Probably can check that one off, now. Barnt Toust 17:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good. Also bear in mind that from the start of the current season in June 2024 to the end of December 2024, there have been over 1,300 matches played. Only one had a problem of this type which had to be put in a footnote. This was one match in the Northern Ireland Open. Alan (talk) 19:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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