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Did you know... that Wayne and Shuster poked fun at Canada's Stratford Festival with a skit about a baseball game where the manager, players, and umpires all speak in Shakespearean verse?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:24, 17 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that in "A Shakespearean Baseball Game", a comedy sketch by Wayne and Shuster, the Stratford team's manager, players, and umpires all speak in Shakespearean verse?~~ Source: "An adaptation of “Casey at the Bat” recited in iambic pentameter, 'Shakespearean Baseball' stars Shuster as the unnamed manager of the Stratford team opposite Wayne as 'the noblest catcher of them all,' the Mighty Yogi." (The Pecan Park Eagle)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1st Canadian Comedy Awards (reviewed List of Canadian comedians)

Created by Yoninah (talk). Self-nominated at 22:21, 26 June 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Date, size, refs, neutrality, hook, copyvio check, all GTG. I do wonder if the term "Shakespearean verse" is 100% correct, or is there a better way to phrase it. As in, is there really something that can be distinctively called a "Shakespearean verse" and is this sketch really using it? Because a parody of Shakespeare may not necessarily be a "Shakespearean verse", IMHO. Wouldn't it be better to say that this sketch is "parodying a Shakespearean verse" instead of saying that the actors in it speak such a verse? I'll ping the nearest expert I know, User:Keneckert. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:47, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Piotus (in full disclosure, he is my friend). "Shakespearean verse" is the usual term in common discourse and in teaching and scholarship. Other authors are also described similarly, e.g. Chaucerian verse, Miltonian verse. From my view it is the best phrasing. User:keneckert

Thanks, Ken, I defer to you as expert in this context, so this is GTG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:39, 27 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Since the page has been expanded since the review, and the hook is a bit in-universe, I would like a little more time to come up with a better hook. Yoninah (talk) 10:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that Wayne and Shuster poked fun at the hoopla surrounding Canada's Stratford Festival with a skit about a baseball game in which the manager, players, and umpires all speak in Shakespearean verse? Yoninah (talk) 11:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Still thinking... Yoninah (talk) 11:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Forget it, anything else I think of is just too long. Restoring tick for Piotrus' review. Yoninah (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Piotrus: after the "in-universe" objections raised to my other Wayne and Shuster nomination, Rinse the Blood Off My Toga, I wonder if you could review this tweak of ALT1:
ALT1a: ... that Wayne and Shuster poked fun at the hoopla surrounding Canada's Stratford Festival with a skit about a baseball game where the manager, players, and umpires all speak in Shakespearean verse? Yoninah (talk) 21:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New review needed for ALT1a. Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 15 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a sounds okay, but it could probably be shortened since it's just under the 200 character limit. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:25, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a shorter suggestion. Flibirigit (talk) 14:50, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1b: ... that Wayne and Shuster poked fun at Canada's Stratford Festival with a skit about a baseball game where the manager, players, and umpires all speak in Shakespearean verse?
Thank you, Flibirigit! ALT1b is good; I just added "all". Yoninah (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We should be good to go with ALT1b. It still kind of feels in-universey, but because of the mention of "poked fun", the hook talks about the authors writing the skit in that way as opposed to the hook being about the plot itself, it should meet the real-word requirement in this case. The hook facts are mentioned inline, cited, and verified. Rest of the review per Piotrus. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 22:17, 16 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]