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As a musician, I can tell you the background music in this episode features melodic and rhythmic elements of the main theme of the Saw movie franchise. It's even written in D minor. Why isn't that mentioned anywhere? Does South Park have the permission? If not, that would be copyright infringement. I'm not here to cause any trouble, but it would be interesting why the music resembles the Saw theme.--2.245.187.254 (talk) 22:47, 30 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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How exactly would not including it be copyright infringement? Nightscream (talk) 14:33, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I cannot provide any sources on this topic, so it won't be included in the article. I'm just so desperate that I'm the only one who notices the similarities. South Park would commit copyright infringement if they didn't have the permission from Charlie Clouser.--2.245.84.132 (talk) 21:25, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not if it's used as a form of satire or parody. That's an exception to copyright infringement. It's how publications like Mad magazine can publish parodies of movies and TV shows that closely follow the plot of the original TV show or movie without fearing copyright lawsuits. Nightscream (talk) 22:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Japanese Princess that Kenny transmogrifies into, that's a reference to a video arcade game. Can somebody provide the name of that game? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.124.116.101 (talk) 10:28, 23 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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