Talk:Air Transport Command

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Article has had major revision and additions Bwmoll3 (talk) 21:43, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Air Transport Command → Air Transport Command (disambiguation); Air Transport Command (World War II) → Air Transport Command – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If we look at the other articles currently linked from Air Transport Command as a dab page, one is a unit that only briefly used the name, (and - as it is also a WW2 unit - is technically ambiguous to the title this page is currently at), while the other is Canadian Forces Air Transport Command which is a longer full official/common title. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:07, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objections. Whatever works is fine. Bwmoll3 (talk) 09:39, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Agree A hatnote on this article pointing to I Troop Carrier Command should be all that's needed to discriminate the articles. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – no good primarytopic case has been presented. Dicklyon (talk) 00:39, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- In what way has it not been presented? What other topics have a claim? A gBooks check for "Air Transport Command" shows only three results in the first 9 pages of results that are not referring to this - and of those one a misnaming of the RAF Transport Command and the other is a translation of Groupement des Moyens Militaire de Transports Aeriens. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:47, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why was this page moved to Air Transport Command (USAF)???? The command was a part of the United States Air Force for only a brief time. It was a World War II command of the United States Army Air Forces for nearly five years. This was NOT what I concurred with during the move request. Bwmoll3 (talk) 18:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I do not see where the discussion to move this article was concluded. The USAF disambiguation was not part of the discussion; in fact the discussion was to remove the disambiguation alltogether Bwmoll3 (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

didn't see the discussion! Point taken about USAAF. Change it to Air Transport Command (US) or (USAAF)!Petebutt (talk) 18:31, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this suggestion. Support original suggestion. Parenthetical is not required for disambiguation. --Lineagegeek (talk) 20:24, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved the page back to Air Transport Command (World War II), the title it was at when this discussion began. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:49, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Air Transport Command (WWII), Air Transport Command (USA), Air Transport Command (U.S.), Air Transport Command (USAAF), Air Transport Command (USAAC) should probably redirect here, whatever title it uses. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 22:00, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No need to create multiple redirects as it appears this is the primary topic. GraemeLeggett (talk) 22:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose It is not clear that a casual mention of an "air transport command" would be "highly likely" and "much more likely" per wp:primarytopic to refer to the American than to the British or Canadian ones. Also, I'd consider "(US)" or "(USAAF)" a better disambiguator per WP:MILMOS#UNITS. ^walk victor falk^talk 07:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Please see the comment regarding the gBooks search above that establishes a clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The RAF unit never had the word "Air" in it. I found the relatively new European Air Transport Command organization so have added it to disambig. But don't think that dilutes Primary Topic argument (significantly). GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

European Air Transport Command needs disambiguation all by itself. United States Air Forces Europe had a subordinate EATS from 1945 to 1948 which at the time may have moved more cargo and people than any civil airline on the continent in its first years. And Air Transport Command (USAAC) -- where does that come from?

It seems to me that the only competition for Air Transport Command (as opposed to Air transport command is the Canadian command, which had the name (in caps) for a number of years, and that has been taken care of by WP:NCDAB 1. Natural Disambiguation. --Lineagegeek (talk) 21:39, 16 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It is not NATURALDIS, the CF ATC is at ATC (CF), if you click on the disambiguation page link you'll end up with parenthetical disambiguation. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 05:47, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Air Transport Command (Canadian Armed Forces) only got moved to that title on the 13th. It was naturally disambiguated when this discussion started. GraemeLeggett (talk) 10:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And I've just moved it back as controversial. The user who moved it has a history of making...unconventional...page moves but never quite to the point of anything being done about it. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:32, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Air Transport Command as primary topic. MilborneOne (talk) 19:30, 19 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support as proposed. It's clearly the primary topic. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 00:21, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.