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What does Airbnb mean?

Is it for Air Bed 'n' Breakfast?

There should be an explanation for the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:4671:FA00:B82E:AD94:2D1:A983 (talk) 04:50, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it can be. When I stayed in one there was no breakfast, I had to buy my own things the evening before. The bed was an inflatable air mattress. 2.28.151.187 (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

If anyone still wants to know: Originally , it was for "Air-bed and breakfast," and the idea was that hosts were actually required to have an air mattress! (not couch space, not a guest room -- an actual air mattress! That was their branding idea, which very very quickly got changed!) and serve breakfast. Obviously, all that has totally changed. Source: a book called The Airbnb Story: How Three ordinary Guys Disrupted an Industry, Made Billions, and Created Plenty of Controversy, by Leigh Gallagher. (Houghton Mifflin) I am fairly new here, so don't want to mess around in a controversial article, but I offer this as a source for anyone who does. I can give page references, just hit me up; I own the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.19.250.98 (talk) 21:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC) Oh, shoot -- I forgot to sign in -- it's me, here Geophiliac (talk) 21:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Here's the citation code. It needs the page #(s).

<ref name="Gallagher 2017 p. ">{{cite book |last=Gallagher |first=Leigh |title=The Airbnb Story: How Three ordinary Guys Disrupted an Industry, Made Billions ... and Created Plenty of Controversy |publisher=Houghton Mifflin Harcourt |publication-place=Boston |year=2017 |isbn=978-0-544-95387-1 |oclc=970631688 |page=28}}</ref>
Peaceray (talk) 22:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

It is page 28. I put it into the cosde you supplied. Geophiliac (talk) 23:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC) Sorry for signing in the worng place. edited now. Thanks Geophiliac (talk) 23:05, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Regulations

A section about regulations imposed by municipalities, states, nations and effects on Airbnb is appropriate for this article.Djflem (talk) 13:50, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Djflem see the article on Airbnb controversies--Buzles (talk) 02:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

@Buzles: Will keep the discussion here: Regulations, especially those which have an effect a business, and controversies are two different things.Djflem (talk) 06:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

There is a China section here which just notes that the company has stopped trading there. Not sure that this should be here at all? The closure is rightly mentioned in the history of the company. BaldInLondon (talk) 20:24, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

"Business networking opportunity".

Hello! My colleague Jakob (User:JK Airbnb) is currently on paternity leave, so I'd like to submit a request for community consideration in his temporary absence. I've disclosed my conflict of interest and employer above and on my profile page. Currently, the article says, "They put together a website that offered short-term living quarters, breakfast, and a business networking opportunity for those who were unable to book a hotel in the saturated market."

Unless I'm overlooking, the citations 9, 11, or 12 don't mention "business networking opportunities" and this doesn't sound familiar to me either. Unless editors object, I propose changing "quarters, breakfast, and a business networking opportunity for" to "quarters and breakfast for" (eliminating mention of the networking opportunity). Thanks in advance. AK Airbnb (talk) 23:35, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. Westminster88 (talk) 10:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Westminster88 and AK Airbnb:, this was written after that was inserted into prose, but doesn't mention Wikipedia. https://jewishbusinessnews.com/2017/08/03/see-airbnb-built-30-billion-company-9-years/ . This edit inserted that statement and mentioned a 2010 Harper's printed magaizne but their contribs. appear to be possible undisclosed public relations editing. Graywalls (talk) 16:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

While I'm going over that section, I spotted the source: https://medium.com/cs183c-blitzscaling-class-collection/scaling-airbnb-with-brian-chesky-class-18-notes-of-stanford-university-s-cs183c-3fcf75778358 which maybe an unacceptable source. "Medium is a blog hosting service. As a self-published source, it is considered generally unreliable and should be avoided unless the author is a subject-matter expert or the blog is used for uncontroversial self-descriptions. Medium should never be used as a secondary source for living persons." per WP:RSP. Is thisguy a subject matter expert of relevance? If not all the contents backed by this source should be removed. Graywalls (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

COVID-19 response

@Westminster88: Thank you for reviewing the above request. I'd like to submit another. This COVID-19 response section has two sentences, but the layoff is already mentioned in the History section and information about cancellations due to COVID-19 are mentioned in the Cancellations section. The separate COVID-19 section seems redundant. If editors agree, could someone please update the article on my behalf? Thanks! AK Airbnb (talk) 23:01, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Reply 26-OCT-2020

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References

@Spintendo: Thank you for reviewing the above request. I will try to follow your requested format, but I'm not sure I need to use all 4 steps because I am not seeking to add content.

1. Please remove the "COVID-19 response" section, which has the following text: "In a letter to employees, CEO Brian Chesky said the company was letting 1,900 of its 7,500 workers go due to the COVID-19 pandemic and cutting businesses that don't directly support home-sharing. Those include its investments in hotels, air transportation, and movie production."
2. Reason: The "History" section already says, "On May 5, 2020, Brian Chesky sent a memo to all employees announcing the company would be laying off approximately 1,900 employees, or about 25% of its workforce in the Americas, Europe, and Asia due to the COVID-19 pandemic." If editors prefer to keep mention of "investments in hotels, air transportation, and movie production", by all means, but can this be merged into the "History" section? My goal here is to trim redundancy and remove the separate heading since the section only has 2 sentences. I hope this clarifies. AK Airbnb (talk) 00:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

References

AK Airbnb, I agree that the section is redundant and have therefore  Implemented the suggested change. Thank you for complying with our paid contribution disclosure policies and best, Blablubbs ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Cleanup

This article could use a pretty major rewrite, much of it falls under WP:PROSELINE and the separate article Timeline of Airbnb is not any better. - Indefensible (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree. The history section is out of hand. Sawitontwitter (talk) 15:28, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

New York City ban

Does the regulations by jurisdiction section accurately capture the news regarding NYC's ban? The copy in article seems to be correct, but it doesn't seem like it's been updated recently to reflect the recent law, so I'm a little confused and wondering if I'm missing something. https://www.wired.com/story/airbnb-ban-new-york-city/ Sawitontwitter (talk) 15:30, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Israeli settlements in lead

The sentence currently in the lead gives undue weight to Israeli settlement compared to other controversies. Perhaps the best course of action would be to delete the sentence entirely or mention other controversies as well. Thesmallthings123 (talk) 16:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

The organisation has certainly had its fair share of controversies in its relatively short existence, not least being implicated in the shortage of availability of long-term lets for tenants in many cities in the western world. I'd agree with including more of them in the lede. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 16:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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Airbnb & Sustainability moved to draft space

@Glman

Hello,

It appears my article contribution was removed from the Airbnb Wiki page, and I am seeking specific answers as to why, so I may revise my draft accordingly. Please let me know what I may work on, or provide me with some revision advice.

Thanks,

Garrett NorthShoreLife (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: NAS 348 Global Climate Change

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Sustainability

@DMacks and Jay8g: well. There is indeed something funny going with the summary here, and peculiarly it's not even with a consistent bias. E.g, the text claims that Airbnb is responsible for 20% of tourism emissions, while the study actually states: Collectively, accommodation accounts for about 1 per cent of global emissions and 20 per cent of tourism emissions. - that is, all types of accommodation incl. hotels etc. Plus the first two refs are duplicates of each other. That does indeed smell of LLM. So, agree on de-merits that this stuff is likely not to be trusted. (It's still neither promotional nor off-topic, but that is beside the point under the circumstances) --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

@Elmidae -- it's a low-effort student assignment, see the section directly above and WP:ENB#NAS 348 Global Climate Change promotional content. The original text the student added was highly promotional, but some other editors trimmed it down a bit before I decided to remove it entirely. :Jay8g [V•T•E] 02:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did the trimming-down, and the content wasn't overtly promotional even before that. But whatevs. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Peer-to-peer/sharing economy

@Grayfell: I'm not sure what content to write but here are some lead refs holding up AirBnB as an example of the sharing economy (the second one is a whole special issue devoted to it):

• Quattrone, Giovanni; Kusek, Natalia; Capra, Licia (2022). "A global-scale analysis of the sharing economy model – an AirBnB case study". EPJ Data Science. 11 (1): 36. doi:10.1140/epjds/s13688-022-00349-3. PMC 9244437. PMID 35789663.
• Hall, C. Michael; Prayag, Girish; Safonov, Alexander; Coles, Tim; Gössling, Stefan; Naderi Koupaei, Sara (2022). "Airbnb and the sharing economy". Current Issues in Tourism. 25 (19): 3057–3067. doi:10.1080/13683500.2022.2122418.

DMacks (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sure there are many, many more sources which could be used for this, but I think we still need context. My concern is that "sharing economy" is broad and somewhat ambiguous, so I don't think we should take this for granted. A deeper and more subtle issue is that these companies use 'sharing' as a mild euphemism. My assessment is that platform economy is a more neutral term for this which avoids this ambiguity over the term 'sharing'. (That article is also better-written and more directly relevant to this topic). Navboxes cannot include any of this context, so I think it would be beneficial to explain this neutrally before including it in a navbox. Grayfell (talk) 22:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

TIL that platform economy is a thing. I agree it fits better and that AirBnB doesn't match at least one of the major meanings of sharing economy. DMacks (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)