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Death

The account given of Mandler's death is uncited, dubious and clashes with other detailed accounts; eg Herzog's War of Atonement. I propose to replace this account with Herzog's, and add a bit of detail regarding Mandler's activities. Discussion prior to this is welcomed. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Account of Death differs with other Wikipedia articles

In the (much longer and better-sourced) Hebrew version of this article, Mandler's death is described as occurring as a result of an attack by an anti-tank missile, not artillery. 2600:1700:B280:AC90:65D2:69B0:5D31:8EB8 (talk) 06:19, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. O'Ballance ("No Victor, No Vanquished", pg.157) says "an Egyptian missile". (It does confirm the '30 seconds', though.) Rabinovitz ("Yom Kippur War", pg. 351) says "an Egyptian tank shell". Bartov ("Dado", pg. 452, Ma'ariv, English edition) says "a shell". Herzog ("War of Atonement", pg. 204) says "a missile". Adan ("Banks of Suez", pg. 231 - he was in Sharon's HQ when Mandler's death was announced to the group assembled there) says "shelling".

A couple of observations:

The main anti-tank missile used by the Egyptians then was the Sagger, which had a maximum range of 3 km. Possibly within range; Mandler was reported to have moved to a forward observation post when he was killed. Without details, it's unclear if there were Egyptian infantry within 3km.
The range of variance in the reports is interesting; it suggests there was no definitive account. Unless someone actually saw his APC being hit (which probably would allow that observer to tell which it was), it's possible nobody knows for sure. (Although a careful after-action forensic examination of the debris might have been able to tell - but would anyone have bothered?)
Adan's account says the OP had been under heavy artillery fire - which a competent observer would be able to tell. If his account is correct, it was likely part of that barrage.

Since this is the English WP, it would be good to have an authoritative source in English. Lacking that, in light of all the above, I'll change it to say 'hostile fire, possibly artillery'. Noel (talk) 22:22, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]