Talk:Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G

Terrible updating

Jesus Christ, get this page in order already or leave it to professional wiki editors to get the work done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.186 (talk) 08:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you do it yourself? Wikipedia is free for everyone to edit. And there are no professional editors here, only volunteers. You could be one too. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. There is support, and no clear opposition, for the proposal; sources indicate that "super-G" is not necessarily capitalized, and some instances of capitalization are merely examples of the individual author capitalizing everything. bd2412 T 21:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

• Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2010 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2006 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 2002 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1998 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1994 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1992 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Men's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G
• Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Women's Super-G → Alpine skiing at the 1988 Winter Olympics – Women's super-G

– It appears to me that "super-G" is not a proper noun. The article on it – which I (to my knowledge) haven't edited – does not capitalize the "super" part, unless at the beginning of a sentence. I have no problem with the capital G, as it is an abbreviation (in fact I think it should be kept), so these pages should in my view be moved to the proposed targets. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC) --HandsomeFella (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Sources

I'm just adding the first I find with Google and that have at least some editorial text. I'm arranging them by case usage. My comment at this stage would be that if it's written in lower-case to a certain extent, it would indicate that it is not a proper noun, and upper-case usage can be attributed to various forms of title case. From these examples (only the first page of search results), it appears that lower-case would indeed be the correct usage.

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Lower-case

• skiing.about.com: What is Alpine Ski Racing? – Uses "super G" with lower case (and without the hyphen). Also mentions "super combined" with lower-case.
• sports.yahoo.com: Mayhem at women's super-G course: Seven of first eight skiers fail to finish; U.S. doesn't medal – Consistent usage of lower-case, except in a caption (in which "Women's" is also initcapped).
• bleacherreport.com: Bode Miller, Andrew Weibrecht Rescue US Alpine Skiing with Super-G Medals – Consistent lower-case usage, except in headings/links.
• www.businessinsider.com: Women's Super-G Ski Course Is A 'Disaster' As 18 Racers Don't Finish – Consistent lower-case usage, except in headline.
• www.usatoday.com: Emotional Bode Miller makes history with super-G medal – Consistent lower-case usage, even in heading.
• espn.go.com: Bode Miller ties for super-G bronze – Consistent lower-case usage, except in caption and tag.
• www.ctvnews.ca: Canada's Jan Hudec overcomes injury to win bronze in men's super-G – Consistent lower-case usage.
• www.reuters.com: Alpine skiing: Austrian coach sets super-G course, Austrians win medals – Lower-case usage, except for one occurrence of "Super G" (without hyphen) in a caption.
• www.nydailynews.com: Winter Olympics: Andrew Weibrecht shocks ski world and wins silver medal while Bode Miller takes bronze in men’s super G race – Lower-case usage without hyphen dominates (4x), one occurrence of lower-case with hyphen, one all-caps in a link.
• www.nytimes.com: Always Room at the Inn for Another Medal – Lower-case usage, except in a graphic illustration.
• www.denverpost.com: American skiers miss podium at women's Olympic super-G – Lower-case usage, except in captions, where title case is applied.
• www.bbc.com: Sochi 2014: Norway's Kjetil Jansrud wins super-G gold – Consistent lower-case usage.
• globalnews.ca: Jan Hudec wins bronze medal for Canada in men’s alpine super-G – Consistently using "super-G".
• www.cbsnews.com: USA's Bode Miller and Andrew Weibrecht win medals in Olympic super-G – Consistent lower-case usage.

Upper-case

• www.bloomberg.com: Men’s Super-G Ski Race Rescheduled as Sochi Games Deal With Heat – Upper-case usage.
• www.wisegeek.com: What is Super G? – Consistent upper-case usage (without hyphen).
• www.skiclub.co.uk: Guide to Sochi: Alpine Skiing Super G – Consistent upper-case usage (without hyphen).
• www.theglobeandmail.com: Jan Hudec wins super-G bronze, ending Canada's alpine drought – Mostly "Super G", upper-case, without hyphen, except in headline, where it's "super-G".
• www.thestar.com: Sochi 2014: Jan Hudec wins bronze in Super-G, ending Canada’s alpine drought – Only two occurrences are "Super-G".
• www.kansascitystar: Weibrecht takes silver, Miller shares bronze in Super-G – Only two occurrences in the text are "Super-G".
• Stuff.co.nz: Kiwi rookie Corey Peters fired up for Super-G – Only two occurrences in the text are "Super-G".
• miamiherald.com: Bode Miller wins bronze in Super G as Andrew Weibrecht stuns with silver - uses "Super G" without the hyphen, but the "S" is still in upper-case
• cnn.com: 5 highlights from Saturday at the Sochi Olympics - Only two occurrences in the text are "Super-G".
• telegraph.co.uk: Jade Etherington takes historic silver at Sochi 2014 Paralympics - Only occurrences in the text are "Super-G".

Undeterminable

• www.olympic.org: Alpine Skiing – No direct editorial text; lists events as bullet points. All bullet points except "Alpine combined" are lower-case, not even initcapped.
• chicagotribune.com: Fenninger wins gold medal in super-G; U.S. skiers falter - Headline is in title case, with "super-G" in lower case, but all instances of "Super-G" in the body text are in upper case.
• heraldnet.com Miller earns U.S.-record sixth Olympic medal, a bronze in the Super-G - Headline and instance in the 5th paragraph is upper case, but the 15th paragraph is lower case.

Comments

• Support, per nom. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
• Comment, The FIS has it capitalized in bios of athletes [1]. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

  Reply: poor example. In the link given, "Super G" is a stand-alone entry in a table. In many or even most such cases, words are initcapped. Also, if you look at the drop-down lists there, "Cross-Country", "Ski Jumping", "Nordic Combined", "Alpine Skiing" and "Freestyle Skiing" are capitalized. Further down you'll find "Speed Skiing", "Grass Skiing", "Anti-Doping" and "Press Releases". It does not mean that we have it that way here. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

• Comment. Can we have actual evidence from reliable sources to determine the WP:COMMONNAME spelling, not based on how the super-G article is currently written? The current version is inconsistent: it does have "Super" capitalized in most instances of the lead, but not in the body? Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

  Reply: I didn't think it would be necessary, since it's no more a proper noun than slalom, giant slalom or downhill, but I'll see what I can do. I can see now that an IP recently added prose with several miscapitalizations on related words. Before that contribution, i.e. when I posted this RM, "super" had it 24–2 over "Super" in that version of the article (not counting beginnings of sentences). In the current version, it's 24–5. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

  I added a few more sources to the list above that use the upper-case "S", and a couple in which usage was undeterminable/mixed. As Wikipedia:Search engine test will tell you, it's also quality as well as quantity we should be looking at. When you have other news sources like the ones I added using the upper-case "S", I'm not convinced there is significant usage to one or the other. And it is hard to tell how many of these news publishers are merely copying-and-pasting re-publishing the same Associated Press, Reuters, or another news agency's articles -- which would inflate search engine results. Thus, it falls back to retaining the article's existing name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

  Did you actually look for sources using "Super-G" capitalized, or did you perform a neutral search? I performed neutral searches, and ended up with the 14–5–1 numbers (lower/upper/mixed). You have added 0–5–2, which is why I ask if your search was neutral. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support, per nom.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 11:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.