Talk:Ava–Hanthawaddy War (1385–1391)

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A fact from Ava–Hanthawaddy War (1385–1391) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 January 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Ava–Hanthawaddy War of 1385–1391 began when King Swa Saw Ke of Ava tried to place his nominee on the Hanthawaddy throne?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 01:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the First Ava–Hanthawaddy War began when King Swa Saw Ke of Ava tried to place his nominee on the Hanthawaddy throne? Source: Chronicle sources: (Yazawin Thit Vol. 1 2012: 195–196), (Pan Hla 2005: 164–165)
Academic sources: (Harvey 1925: 82), (Htin Aung 1967: 88)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Noah (Background Bob)
- Comment: Ava's nominee was Laukpya of Myaungmya. Please search for Laukpya in the article.

Improved to Good Article status by Hybernator (talk). Self-nominated at 19:25, 3 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Ava–Hanthawaddy War (1385–1391); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New GA, long enough (!), QPQ done, no copyvio. A lot of citations to modern editions of primary sources. I am trusting that they are being used appropriately and judiciously. @Hybernator: What do you think of the follow ALT1? Srnec (talk) 01:25, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

... that the Hanthawaddy commander Yaza Manu was killed by a gunshot while atop his war elephant during the First Ava–Hanthawaddy War?

Thanks for the review, Srnec. The extant Burmese chronicles are certainly secondary sources, and in most cases, tertiary and beyond. Also, thanks for the ALT1 suggestion. It's certainly more interesting than mine but I think Yaza Manu not having a Wiki link is a detractor. What do you think about ALT2? The citation is (Phayre 1967: 69, footnote 1).

ALT2: ... that foreign mercenaries with jingals fought in the First Ava–Hanthawaddy War? Hybernator (talk) 03:23, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the fact that few readers will know what a jingal is limits its appeal. Srnec (talk) 01:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Srnec, I'd have thought jingal might pique readers' interest! Anyway, how about ALT2a, ALT2b, and ALT3?

ALT2a: ... that foreign mercenaries armed with jingal wall guns fought in the First Ava–Hanthawaddy War?
ALT2b: ... that foreign mercenaries armed with wall guns fought in the First Ava–Hanthawaddy War?

ALT3: "... that Ava forces had their enemy king Razadarit nearly cornered early in the First Ava–Hanthawaddy War but could not catch him?"
(Sources: (Maha Yazawin Vol. 1 2006: 292–293), (Hmannan Vol. 1 2003: 419–420); (Phayre 1967: 68))

See the end of the first invasion in the article. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 05:29, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Srnec:, reminder: please review when you get a chance. Hybernator (talk) 20:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0 is the best of these and is approved. (I still like my ALT1.) The promoter can consider dates in lieu of "first" as in:

... that the Ava–Hanthawaddy War of 1385–1391 began when King Swa Saw Ke of Ava tried to place his nominee on the Hanthawaddy throne?

Either works. Srnec (talk) 22:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]