Talk:Ballad of Eric

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Literary forgery

User:Leos Friend is edit warring, and argues that nobody has proven that Eriksvisan is a literary forgery. This just means that nobody has been able to convince Leo's Friend that this is a forgery. Fact is that Henrik Schück showed around 1890 that the Swedish versions of this text are dependent on the latin text of Johannes Magnus from 1530 or so. This "song" with fake medieval grammer was not transmitted orally through the ages. It was a hoax. After Schück hardly anybody ever mentions this episode (it may be a bit embarassing for Swedish academia). So Leo's Friend's edit "believed by some scholars to be a literary forgery" is seriously misleading. All living scholars that are aware of its existence believe this "song" is a forgery, or a deception, or a series of "improvements of the truth". /Pieter Kuiper 20:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fact remains that no one has proven it's a fake. And I don't think you have read what Schück wrote. You're not even right in what his assumptions of the song's origin were, so you are just trying to sound convincing. And saying it's a hoax when scolars only have said it COULD be a hoax, is a lie. You have now proved that you are a lier, Pieter Kuiper, and that you are not the least scientific in your mind. /Leos Friend 20:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:Leos Friend is correct in saying that I did not read this study by Schück. I am relying on this summary in Nordisk Familjebok (1909), and on a reference to Schück that I saw somwhere else. That is sufficient for me. /Pieter Kuiper 21:13, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

New version of the article

I have translated my Swedish version of the article, based on different sources. Nothing is stated here, both views are included, and the song content is compared to other correlating sources, which shows that the emigration idea can't be an invention of the 15th century.

So, the "fake" theory isn't at all that convincing as some would prefer it to be. If the Swedes of the 17th century would have wanted something for the propaganda against the Danes, they could have just qouted Saxo. The idea that this song was a propaganda weapon is therefore of no relevance. /Leos Friend 22:26, 10 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]