Talk:Belarusian Latin alphabet

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Archive comments from Lacinka alphabet

[imported from Wikipedia:Village pump by IMSoP 23:52, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)]

Can someone undo a move please? I attempted to move Lacinka alphabet to Łacinka alphabet but this caused it to end up at some weird location. Jo r 17:02, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

OK, it's back to Lacinka, with the other one being a redirect. If you want, I can delete the redirect too. Dori | Talk 17:18, Mar 11, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Redirect should probably stay, as the barred-l is the correct spelling. Jo r 17:30, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dź is not unique to Lacinka - it's also used in Polish alphabet. Ausir 11:44, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

and Dž is used in the Lithuanian alphabet. -- pne 13:13, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)

table of equivalence to Cyrillic?

Can we have a table of equivalence to Cyrillic if appropriate, please? – Kaihsu 19:45, July 30, 2005 (UTC)

Data

I wonder when and who codified the modern spelling of the Łacinka. It bears some resemblance to the modern Lithuanian alphabet, which was not in use until 20th century (before that Polish alphabet was used in most cases). Was there some kind of a language reform? Halibu tt 07:38, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

I'd also like to learn more about history of this alphabet. Latin was fairly common in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth among the szlachta, so I'd guess Łacinka evolved from this influence...? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 01:53, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Branisłaŭ Taraškievič created the first codification of the modern Belarusian language in 1918 and coincidentally used Łacinka in the first edition of his book: https://be.wikisource.org/wiki/Індэкс:Biełaruskaja_hramatyka_dla_škoł_(1918).pdf

Note that the Taraškievič's book is using W. But W and V is just the same letter in Łacinka. Everyone switched to using V in late 1930s and onward. That's similar to how Long s had been replaced by round S in modern English.

A more modern textbook is the first part of "Fundamental Byelorussian", published by Valentyna Pashkievich in Toronto in 1974. It also explains Łacinka and its mapping to the Belarusian Cyrillic alphabet on pages 5-7.

Some of the other textbooks are mentioned at https://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tag-apps/be-Latn --Ssvb (talk) 06:08, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cyrillic in Wikipedia

Please see the new page at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Cyrillic), aimed at

Documenting the use of Cyrillic and its transliteration in Wikipedia
Discussing potential revision of current practices

—Michael Z. 2005-12-9 20:43 Z

Belarusian Latin alphabet

The references here need to be (at least partly) translated into English. As they are, they're pretty well incomprehensible to someone (like me) who doesn't know Belarusian (or whatever language they're written in). See Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Sources in languages other than English. English-language sources would be better. Hairy Dude 15:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There you've got me. I understand the request, but I'm doubting there even exist English sources on that. The matter is obscure and rare. By the way, in the Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Sources in languages other than English I see that the sources and quotes should be in English and not a word about translating the sources' names. Would you provide an example of how that would look? Is there a WP normative on that? ---Yury Tarasievich 20:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History merge

Corrected a cut and paste move that occurred here from Łacinka alphabet. Cool Hand Luke 06:14, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ё

From this article I couldn't understand how the letter ё is written - "jo" or "io".

I want to open an account with a name in Łacinka, and I don't know how to write it.

From the usage in the articles at lacinka.org I guess that it's "io" after consonants and "jo" after vowels and in the beginning of the word. But is there some more authoritative source? --192.118.34.228 07:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As it was never codified, in a real sense of the word, there's no authoritative source at all, only sort of convention. Yury Tarasievich 14:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And do you know what is the convention? I wanted to call my account "вавёрка", but in Lacinka. The guys at be-x-old told me that it's "vaviorka", which looks logical to me. (My logic says that it's supposed to be similar to Polish, but not too similar. For example, I welcome the change of w to v. Your logic may be completely different.) --Vaviorka 15:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There are many early 20th century school textbooks, which "codify" Łacinka. But this codification predates ISO and the other modern standardization authorities. For example, you can check this page from a 1917 book "Jak prawilna pisać pa biełarusku" for the information about using i after consonants for softening them.

Some of the other textbooks are mentioned at https://www.iana.org/assignments/lang-tag-apps/be-Latn --Ssvb (talk) 05:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Łacinka is now an official romanisation method?

Source: Ninth United Nations Conference on the Standardization of Geographical Names New York, 21-30 August 2007

... 163. The representative of Belarus presented paper E/CONF.98/CRP.21, which discussed the history of the Latin alphabet, or Latinka, recently adopted as an official standard for the romanization of Belarusian place names. This alphabet had been used to write Belarusian in Roman script for many years and so had a more well-established status than other, more recent, romanization systems. ...

The report doesn't write if this move accepted, probably Belarus has a lot of promotion to do, simply stating may not be enough. --Atitarev (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is, emphatically, not Łacinka, despite some claims, but the 2007 amendment of the 2000 system, functionally and implementationally the same, but introducing some combining diacritical combinations instead of using non-combining diacriticals ("in order to save space"), one of them — newly introduced L-acute. Also, the U-acute (which was possibly introduced because of technicalities, in the first place) is changed now to a more intuitive expected U-breve. See be:Інструкцыя_па_транслітарацыі_(2007) for the official sources nomenclature. Yury Tarasievich (talk) 12:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Was U-acute ever used (Ú, ú)? Isn't Ŭ, ŭ the proper Latin form of Ў, ў?

Belarusian: is it "vobłaść" or "vobłasć" (вобласць) in Łacinka? I've seen both.

Now, with the new method of romanising Belarusian, should one write "vobĺaść" instead?

As per Yury Tarasievich's link, Ĺ ĺ replace Ł, ł. --Anatoli (talk) 00:33, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, you misunderstood this. In the "Instruction for transliteration" (2007) "L acute" (with no prescribed form of acute placement) is used in place of cyrillic "ль", while "L" is used to denote all other instances of "л". Also, Latsinka isn't system of romanisation. Yury Tarasievich (talk) 09:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! why in history of language started in XVI century? where text of this period on belarusian language(not ruthenian)?--91.196.249.135 (talk) 22:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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