Talk:Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)

Big Hoops review

Another review for the song...http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/music/singlesreviews/a384896/nelly-furtado-big-hoops-the-bigger-the-better-single-review.htmlManas justice (talk) 12:40, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Cerification

"Big Hoops" has been certified 'gold' in Canada, that is, 40,000 digital downloads sold...http://musiccanada.com/GPSearchResult.aspx?st=&ica=False&sa=&sl=&smt=0&sat=-1&ssb=Cert.%20Date&ssdir=descendingManas justice (talk) 05:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Critical Receptions

Websites like popdust, popcrush, idolator and hitflix are not professional critics and hence their review should not be included in the 'critical reception' section...Manas justice (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Petergriffin9901 (talk · contribs) 00:39, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

• I'm really tempted to quick-fail this article, but as you've waited over two months I'll give it a shot. It really needs a lot of work. You need an able copy-editor immediately. The prose are unfortunately very poor. Also, the references are all over the place. Several not even formatted, and I find it hard to even find 1 done properly.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:48, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Rewrote the article, can you take another look? igordebraga ≠ 01:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

• as the lead single from The Spirit Indestructible, her first English-language album in six years. -> This should be re-arranged
• and celebrates the swagger that music gives a listener. -> statements like this are problematic. Again, needs a good copy-editor
• You should try and buff up the article a bit. It's kind of low on content. Can't you find more information?
• Still have several unreliable sources. Twitter, Youtube, Thatgrapjuice etc. Still needs a lot of work. I'm willing to give you some time, so just focus on improving it.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 00:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

"Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves" - and given the refs taken from YouTube and Twitter come only from Nelly's own channel, they serve as primary sources. Anyway, added and rewrote some more material. igordebraga ≠ 03:39, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm getting a bit annoyed. You've literally added nothing. I'm getting tired of you keep hassling me to check the article when you do not properly apply the advice I give. Articles under my review will not get a pass with references from YouTube, Twitter, or any kind of blog. I don't know what GAs you have been molding this after, but you've better search for another.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 04:23, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Cut as many questionable sources as I could (only left two of Nelly's twitter, as " A specific tweet may be useful as a self-published, primary source."). Can you expand on prose problems? igordebraga ≠ 05:37, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Let's try again. Remember, I have this page watch-listed. Sources 1, 7, 17, 24, 26, 29, 38, and 42 are unreliable and must be replaced. Next you have so many ref inconsistencies and just plain wrong formatting. Why are 16 & 18 different? Where are the publishers? Publishers for 2, 5, 14? Why are 6 & 32 different? Why is 6 cite news and not cite web? You need to take a good article to mold the sources after. There are too many issues.

Next, I asked for you to try and find more information on the song and expand the content. You did not try at all.

And for prose:

• and celebrates the feelings brought by music in the listener. -> ???
• Furtado's vocals were criticized and described as irritating -> This should be in quotes with a direct source after it. Who said this?
• The song was a moderate success on the charts, reaching a higher peak on the UK Singles Chart at number 14 -> How does this make sense?
• and cityscapes that Furtado towers over -> What the hell is that supposed to mean? You haven't mentioned anything about stilts
• that Nelly Furtado -> Furtado, the singer, she
• Furtado stated that the song was written from the point of view of herself at the age of fourteen, with the lyrics translating "the essence I think of my life as a teenager", where she was "growing up in my small town but living, living this life that was full of this wonderful R&B and hip hop music that I listened to and it became sort of part of my lifestyle and my friends and I we lived, it was the soundtrack of that time in my life." -> This one is just a big mess of tenses, poorly placed and incorporated quotes etc.

As You can see, this article needs a lot of work.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 23:50, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

• I do not see sufficient effort being put in from the nominator. I highlighted several things a few times, and they were continuously overlooked. We are nearing one month, and the editor hasn't even replied to me or made sufficient edits to the article in almost 10 days. I'm failing the article. Good luck, but you should really do a lot more before re-nominating.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 09:48, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sauloviegas (talk · contribs) 06:58, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

This article needs A LOT of work and I was about to fail before the review, but let's see what we can do... - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 10:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

First look through

Infobox

• It says that the genres are R&B, hip hop, drum and bass. However, in composition we read "influenced by the 1990s hip hop and R&B" and "drum'n'bass breakdown." The genre usually applies to the entire song. For an example, Hold It Against Me has a dubstep breakdown, but the song's genre is dance-pop. Urban pop is not a genre. And remember, influenced does not mean that the track belongs to that genre also. I suggest you find a better source for the genre and then add it to the infobox.

Lead

• is a song by Canadian recording artist Nelly Furtado, released on April 17, 2012 as the lead single from Furtado's fifth studio album, The Spirit Indestructible. → is a song by Canadian recording artist Nelly Furtado, taken from her fifth studio album, The Spirit Indestructible. It was released on April 17, 2012, through Interscope Records, as the lead single from the album.

• The song was written by Furtado, was co-written and produced by Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins, → The song was written by Furtado, while production and additional lyrics were done by Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins

• The lyrics discuss Furtado's life as a teenager, describing her enjoyment of parties, hip hop and R&B music, and the emotions she experienced through the music. "Big Hoops" received mixed reviews from music critics; many praised the song's breakdown, but some criticized Furtado's vocals. → The track's lyrics refer to the singer's life as a teenager, describing her passion to hip hop and R&B music at that time. "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" received mixed reviews from music critics, who praised the song's breakdown, but criticized Furtado's vocals.

• Don't forget to link music critics, R&B, and hip hop.

• It failed to enter the Billboard Hot 100 chart, but charted on Billboard's Pop Songs and Hot Dance Club Songs charts. → "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" did not make impact in the United States, failing to chart on Billboard Hot 100. However, it chated within the top forty on the Pop Songs component chart, while reaching the top ten on Hot Dance Club Songs.

• The music video was released on May 3, 2012 and it features hula hoops, dancers and Furtado walking on stilts. → The accompanying music video was directed by Little X, and features Furtado sttruting down a city block wearing a giant pair of stilts, as she is joined by dancers throughout the video.

COMMENTS

• Seeing that the nomintator didn't make much effort on the last GA review to improve the article, I'll let him fix these issues before I can continue with the rest of the review. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 10:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Tried to solve the things above. See if they're done, and keep on as you like it. igordebraga ≠ 05:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• Add this right after the video info: To promote the song, Furtado performed it on Alan Carr: Chatty Man, at the 2012 Billboard Music Awards and the 2012 MuchMusic Video Awards.

Background

• was one of the first songs that Nelly Furtado → was one of the first songs that Furtado
• Add source after "worked on with producer Rodney Jerkins for The Spirit Indestructible."
• Poorly worded, rephrase this bit: "The lyrics concerned her teenage life, particularly "this wonderful R&B and hip hop music that I listened to [that] became ... part of my lifestyle." Furtado's lyrics reference her favourite R&B and hip hop groups"
• Hip hop group Odd Future was cited as an influence upon the song's style; Furtado said she was inspired by the group's "dark sound[ing], heavy and visceral", and tried to put similar qualities on "Big Hoops". → Furtado revealed she was inspired by the "dark ..., heavy and visceral" sound of hip hop group Odd Future, as she tried to recreate a similar sound on "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)".

Composition

• A 30 second sample → the sample is only lasts for 19 seconds. Fix this.
• "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" was written by Furtado and Rodney Jerkins, and was produced by Jerkins. → "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" was written by Furtado, with production and additional lyrics being provided by Rodney "Darkchild" Jerkins.
• It is an R&B song featuring hip hop beats, staccato percussion and Furtado’s Auto-Tuned voice. → The R&B song infuses hip hop beats and staccato percussion on its instrumentation,(add source) while Robbie Daw of Idolator noticed the use of pitch-correcting software Auto-Tune on Furtado's vocals.(add source)
• Furtado stated that the song's sound was influenced by the 1990s hip hop and R&B as a tribute to the music she listened to in her teenage years. → This is already cited on Background section. Most of the info there is about the song's composition, so I suggest merging both and creating a section titled Background and composition, with one paragraph for the Background and one for the Composition (see these GAs for examples: Lucky, Stronger. I'll review the section after is merged to check if there is no conflicting info.

Release

• In March 2012, Nelly Furtado announced that "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" would be released in April.[10] The song was released via digital download on April 17, 2012,[11] and was released physically in Germany on May 18.[12] → This should be moved to the Background paragraph

• In May 2012 Nelly performed "Big Hoops" on UK show Alan Carr: Chatty Man.[13] Furtado performed the song for the first time in the US during the 2012 Billboard Music Awards on May 20, 2012,[14] and in Canada during the 2012 MuchMusic Video Awards on June 17, 2012.[15] → Create a new section below Music video titled Live performances and move it there. Example: Something New.

COMMENTS - 2

• Fix these and we can continue. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 18:54, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Did some more work. If possible, strike what you think is done. igordebraga ≠ 00:30, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Release

• Why are critical reception and chart performance under this? - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 02:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
• Try to avoid the constant use of the song as you did here:

The song debuted at number sixty on the Canadian Hot 100 chart and peaked at number twenty-eight. It debuted at number forty-six on the Belgian Tip Chart, where it reached a peak of number twenty-four. On the Dutch singles chart, the song debuted at number 81 and peaked at 26th. On the UK Singles Chart, the song debuted at number fourteen, becoming the song's highest chart peak, and the song became Furtado's highest charting single since 2006's All Good Things (Come to an End). On the North American Billboard charts, the song became Furtado's first since 2010's "Night Is Young" to not enter the Billboard Hot 100.

Music video

• The music video → The accompanying music video
• including Tony Duncan → who is Tony Duncan? Is he known by the public? I suggest the removal of this, as we don't cite the name of dancers unless they are highly known from a music program or a TV show.
• Two alternate videos were produced: a "lyrics" video[29] and a "Home Made" video, directed by Aaron A and filmed in a parking lot on Sunset Boulevard during the production of The Spirit Indestructible's album artwork. → This should be moved after the reviews of the video, to avoid confusion. Check Gimme More and 3 for examples.

Live performances

• This is not a subsection, remove it from music video and create its own separate section using = = Live performances = = (remove the spaces) instead of = = = Live performances = = =
• In May 2012 Nelly performed "Big Hoops" on UK show Alan Carr: Chatty Man.[32] Furtado performed the song for the first time in the US during the 2012 Billboard Music Awards on May 20, 2012,[33] and in Canada during the 2012 MuchMusic Video Awards on June 17, 2012.[34] It is part of her setlist on The Spirit Indestructible Tour, which started on Furtado's hometown, Victoria, on January 2013.[35] → Rephrase. Do not use Nelly, and avoid using Furtado, Furtado, Furtado, like you did. Try something like, "In May 2012, Furtado performed "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" in the United Kingdom on TV show Alan Carr: Chatty Man. The singer also performed it in the United States during the 2012 Billboard Music Awards, held on May 20, 2012, and in Canada during the 2012 MuchMusic Video Awards on June 12, 2012. The song was also included on the setlist of The Spirit Indescrutible Tour."
• There is no need for this bit "which started on Furtado's hometown, Victoria, on January 2013"

Credits and personnel

• Add spaces between these: — . Like this: Nelly Furtado — lyrics

Chart performance

• Why is there a source on the peak position from Netherlands? - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 02:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
  • The ref made by the template used to be broken, now it works and I can cut.

Release dates

• Retitle to Release history

References

• Ref 1 - fix the caption per WP:SHOUT
• Ref 4 - MTV News → MTV News. MTV Networks
• Ref 5 - BBC News. BBC
• Ref 6 - Rolling Stone. Jann Wenner
• Ref 7 - Idolator. Buzz Media
• Ref 8 - Template is Citeweb not Citenews. And it is About.com. Rovi Corporation
• Ref 12 - iTunes Store. Apple, Inc
• Ref 13 - Do not italicize Amazon.com
• Ref 15, 18, 22, 23, 33, 34 - Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Only link the first Billboard reference.
• Ref 16 - Use template Citenews and add Los Angeles Times publisher
• Ref 19 - Do not italicize Ultratop.
• Ref 21 - UK Singles Chart. Official Charts Company
• Ref 24 - Add Hearst Magazines UK as the publisher
• Ref 25 - This reference is reliable per WP:TWITTER for being a confirmed account, but it's doubtful for some people and could be easily deleted. I suggest using this source from Much Music themselves: http://blog.muchmusic.com/nelly-furtado-releases-big-hoops-bigger-the-better/
  • That link is about the single, not the video...
• Ref 26 - same as ref 7, avoid WP:OVERLINK
• Ref 27 - Same as ref 4, avoid WP:OVERLINK
• Ref 29 - same as ref 26
• Ref 30 - same as ref 24, avoid WP:OVERLINK
• Ref 31 - same as ref 8, avoid WP:OVERLINK
• Ref 32 - be consistent, use Month Day, Year not, y-m-d
• Ref 33 and 34 - same as ref 32
• Ref 35 - missing publisher
• Ref 36 - same as ref 12, avoid WP:OVERLINK
• Ref 38, 39, 40 - same as ref 32
• Ref 41, 42, 43 - add accessdate per WP:ACCESS
• Ref 45 - link and add publisher
• Ref 46 and 47 - same as ref 12 and 32
• Ref 48, 49, 50 - same as ref 32

COMMENTS - 3

• Fix these and I'll do a second look through to decide if the article pass or not, and also to see if there are more issues. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 02:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

See if all was done. igordebraga ≠ 05:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Second look through

I'm going to check the article once more section per section to see if it will pass or not. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 11:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Infobox

• Genre is R&B only. Remove hip-hop, Drum and bass

Lead

• Link lead single
• "Big Hoops" has an urban pop sound influenced by hip hop and R&B music from the 1990s. → "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" is a R&B song influenced by hip hop collective Odd Future and 1990s productions.
• The song was moderately successful on the charts, reaching the top thirty in the United Kingdom, Canada, The Netherlands and Belgium. → The song achieved moderate commercial success, reaching the top thirty in Belgium, Canada, Netherlands and United Kingdom.
• "Big Hoops" did not make impact in the United States, failing to chart on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. However, it chated within the top forty on the Pop Songs and omponent chart, while reaching the top ten on Hot Dance Club Songs. → In the United States, "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)" failed to ented the Billboard Hot 100, however, it charted within the top forty on Pop Songs and reached the top ten on Hot Dance Club Songs.

Background

• Furtado stated that the song's sound was influenced by the 1990s hip hop and R&B as a tribute to the music she listened to in her teenage years. Furtado also stated that she was inspired by hip hop group Odd Future's "dark sound[ing], heavy and visceral" as she tried to recreate a similar sound on "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)". → The singer stated that the song's instrumentation was influenced by the 1990s hip hop and R&B as a tribute to the music she listened to in her teenage years, also citing inspiration from hip hop group Odd Future's "dark ... heavy and visceral" sound as she tried to recreate a similar style on "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)".
• The lyrics of "Big Hoops" → The lyrics of "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)"

Composition

• not contained versus a structured typical song." add reference after quotes

Release and reception

• Smith declared that "Big Hoops (The Bigger the Better)" → Smith declared that "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)"
• "really about chart positions" add reference after quotes
• Furtado stated that "Big Hoops" → Furtado stated that the song
• The song was released → It was released
• on May 18 → On May 18, 2012

Critical reception

• has received mixed to favourable reviews → Be consistent here. The lead says mixed reviews only. Checking through the reviews, I suggest you to change in the lead from "mixed reviews from music critics" to "mixed to positive reviews from music critics".
• "[Furtado] makes an even clearer distinction between herself and Rihanna singing, 'I don't wanna talk about sex, wanna express myself tonight.'" add reference after quotes
• considering that "Big Hoops" → "Big Hoops (Bigger the Better)"
• Robbie Daw wrote a mixed review for Idolator, criticized "the singer’s unnecessary Rihanna-esque vocal delivery" and wrote that the song "isn’t the strongest lead single we’ve heard from an album." → Robbie Daw of Idolator gave the song a mixed review, criticizing the singer's "unnecessary Rihanna-esque vocal delivery" while adding that it "isn't the strongest lead single we've heard from an album."
• Jessica Sager from "Pop Crush" gave the single 0.5 out of 5 stars, comparing her vocals on the song to a → Jessica Sager of Pop Crush rated it 0.5 out of 5 stars, comparing Furtado's vocals to the ones of a
• She also wrote that "Furtado wants → Sager also noted that the singer "wants
• Melinda Newman from HitFix wrote that "It’s a meaningless → Melinda Newman of Hitfix deemed the song "a meaningless

References

• Do not style the citeweb references like this MTV News (MTV Networks). They are supposed to be like MTV News. MTV Networks. Template Citenews add brackets because the source is a newspaper. Fix all of these, and there are publishers missing also, such as in a few Billboard references.

COMMENTS - 4

• This article has improved a lot Igor, and I see you did a good job. You just need to be consistent on the writing and referencing. Fix these and we will (probably) be good to go. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 11:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Done... though I skipped "add ref after quotes" isn't done because the text after the quote is also covered by the same reference. igordebraga ≠ 01:25, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Seems good. You just need to fix the other references, there are still issues in many of them such as Ref 12 (it's not (Apple, Inc) it's Apple Inc only), Ref 13 (Amazon.com should not be italicized), Ref 23 should not be in brackets also, etc. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 01:44, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

See if that does it, and if anything else was left. igordebraga ≠ 12:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll fix the few references that are left myself. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 18:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Passing. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 18:41, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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