Talk:Breaking Bad (Better Call Saul)

GAN

Hey @Bilorv and @Flowerkiller1692, I've been going back and checking the three BCS S6 episode articles that have not been GAs yet and had fixed up the Reception section on this article. Do you guys both feel that this article is currently good for a GA or at least a B-class or so soon? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:32, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

@Dcdiehardfan: thanks for your edits—it would be good to get Better Call Saul (season 6) to good topic status, which would just require the remaining episodes to be brought to GA. I think this is ready to be nominated for GA; I've reassessed it as B-class for the time being as it meets those criteria. — Bilorv (talk) 08:37, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bilorv No problem. With that being said, I'm glad that we got it to B-class. Can I go ahead and nominate it for GA or do I not have high enough authorship yet? Dcdiehardfan (talk) 18:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Dcdiehardfan: your recent edits definitely make you a major enough contributor to nominate this for GA. — Bilorv (talk) 21:58, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

@Bilorv Alright, I'll go ahead and dip my toe in the water here! Dcdiehardfan (talk) 22:38, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 17:36, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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It's all copy tightening from here. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 22:49, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Hey there! Thanks a lot for taking time out of your day to do this GAR. With that being said, I believe I have addressed most, if not all of your recommendations, and they should be implemented as of now. Again, thanks a lot for doing this. Dcdiehardfan (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Copy changes

Lead

• "Breaking Bad" depicts the life of Jimmy McGill, both during his time as lawyer "Saul Goodman" in Albuquerque, New Mexico; and after changing his identity to Gene Takavic and relocating to Omaha, Nebraska. The semicolon here is not needed. Consider "Breaking Bad" depicts the life of Jimmy McGill during his time as lawyer "Saul Goodman" in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and after changing his identity to Gene Takavic and relocating to Omaha, Nebraska. This is not CinS because it is a MOS:GEOCOMMA.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

Plot

• Gene is taken aback, and later calls Kim's workplace in Florida. Remove this unneeded comma. (User:Sammi Brie/Commas in sentences, CinS)

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

Production

• Schnauz wanted to extend the phone call scene with Jimmy and Francesca, and chose to include Jimmy contacting Kim. Remove comma (CinS)

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• He further described Gene as a "whole other creature entirely. He's not quite Saul, he's not Jimmy" as he did not process his trauma in a healthy manner and instead "keeps pushing down and pushing down and pushing down, and the more he pushes it down, the more it wants to rise up like a volcano, and he needs to do even worse stuff." He also noted the parallel between Saul accepting Walter and Jesse as clients, and Gene performing scams with Jeff and Buddy, as he is dealing with Wexler's separation.
  • I would like to see a citation for the quote. Also, MOS:LOGICAL: as a sentence fragment, period outside of quotes.

 Done The quotes correspond to Ref 4, which is the following source: [2] -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• • Remove comma after "clients"

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• While intersecting the storylines of Breaking Bad into Better Call Saul, the showrunners had coined the phrase "dancing through the raindrops" which had described the mix of Jimmy's present world with his future as Saul Goodman. Add a comma after "raindrops"

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• He always had the intention of tying the two series together but had not found the right opportunity to do so, until he had the idea of connecting it to its mirror scene in the Breaking Bad episode "Better Call Saul" and having Saul reference Nacho Varga when he shouts "It wasn't me, it was Ignacio". Remove comma after "so"

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• Gilligan had also reiterated similar claims, while also adding that the writers had desired to include the characters into the story in an organic manner rather than as fan service. Could tighten: Gilligan reiterated similar claims while also adding that the writers had desired to include the characters into the story in an organic manner rather than as fan service.
  • You use "had" a bit too much in this article; the Reception session is festooned with it. Consider dialing it back.

 Done I did a CE and rewrote most components that contained a plethora of "had"s.

• It was filmed in April 2021, during the production of "Carrot and Stick" to accommodate their schedules Complete the appositive by adding a comma after "Carrot and Stick"

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• Set designer Ashley Marsh and her team worked from photos and stills from Breaking Bad to reacquire most of the equipment shown in the RV to detail, and even worked with the operator of an Albuquerque Breaking Bad tour to provide some of the RV curtains and fabrics Remove comma (CinS)

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

Reception

• See above. Many uses of "had" in connection with reviewers' thoughts can be excised. Also a lot of "had also" that is just excessive. Doing this will help your prose immensely.

 Done Reception adjusted -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• I wonder if the long second (especially) and third paragraphs can be split up a bit.

 Done Split along with Sepinwall's review -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• Meanwhile, Mike Hogan, writing for Vanity Fair, had speculated that either Kim wasn't available during the time or reject's Gene's attempts for reconciliation in some manner. A few errors (that "reject's" in particular). Try...
  • Mike Hogan, writing for Vanity Fair, speculated that either Kim wasn't available during the time or she rejected Gene's attempts for reconciliation in some manner.

 Done Replaced with your suggestion -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• Greene had reiterated similar sentiments, but had also speculated that Kim could've been near Omaha, Nebraska. Perhaps Greene reiterated similar sentiments, positing that Kim could have been near Omaha.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• However, he had primarily been focusing on its connections to Breaking Bad, feeling that the interactions with Walter White, Jesse Pinkman, and Gene had satisfied his anticipation, especially praising the chemistry between Cranston and Paul. This sentence could use a reword with its odd comma clause structure. A few sentences are kinda long in this section.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

• Gene Takovic This is a misspelling in the source meriting a {{sic}}.

 Done -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

Sourcing and spot checks

• 6: Schnauz on redemption: Redemption — boy, that's a tricky thing because you look back on the world of Breaking Bad and he's participated in and helped a lot of horrible things happen. So in comparison to the things that he's doing right now — they are a step beyond what Slippin' Jimmy and Jimmy & Kim ever did. He's drugging people. He's knocking them unconscious and stealing their wealth. Y
• 13: Our team recreated the RV set and put it on stage on airbags so it wouldn’t move. Y
• 19: Article, July 11, 2022: “Just yesterday, we finished the final sound mix on my episode, 611,” he says. Y
• 24: Among Mike's suggestions for the call are Kim simply if non-judgmentally declines to join him in Omaha, for basically the same reason she left him in the first place. and Kim isn’t there, and whoever answers doesn’t know where she went.
• 25: We have to assume that Saul buried the money that he uses to pay Francesca for the reconnaissance phone call. He sounds relieved that it hasn’t been eaten by rats, suggesting it has been in situ for a while. And who else could have put it there? ... Instead, we’re waiting to find out if Gene’s secret identity will remain intact, and whether he’ll win back Kim. Y

Images

One fair-use episode poster and two Gage Skidmore photos with appropriate license. All have alt text.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 02:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that writer and director Thomas Schnauz for the Better Call Saul episode "Breaking Bad" filmed the cameos of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman seven months prior to main production of the episode? Source: [3]
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Improved to Good Article status by Dcdiehardfan (talk). Self-nominated at 03:43, 11 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Breaking Bad (Better Call Saul); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Article was promoted to "GA" status on 8 August, satisfying "newness" requirement. It is also long enough, neutrally written, and well sourced. Earwig indicates a 55% similarity score with [web.archive.org/web/20220802025439/https://www.tvguide.com/news/better-call-saul-season-6-episode-11-breaking-bad-thomas-schnauz-interview this] source. The similarity is due to some passages that are included in the Wikipedia article in quote marks and with attribution. (Promoter may want to have a second look at the quotes as I'm not a copyvio expert and am not sure if the extensive quotes qualify for being fetured on Main Page.) The hook is long at 193 characters but withing limits. The hook is mildly interesting and a bit wordy but passable. Hook fact supported by inline citation. Nominator appears to be exempt from QPQ due to lack of prior DYK notices. Cbl62 (talk) 14:11, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

  @Cbl62 and Dcdiehardfan: I see the Rolling Stone source claims the episode was filmed 6 or 7 months prior and the other source states 7 months. Not sure who has better information and I do not want it to end up at errors. Can we confirm actual or should we change the hook? Bruxton (talk) 15:12, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

  • @Bruxton and @Cbl62 I'll go ahead and fix the quote issue when I can. And I'll also see if I can get an alternate hook prepared. I think since there may be some clashing information , it's best to probably do an alternate hook. I'll come up with another one in a little bit, as I have some errands to attend to. Thank you both for the input. -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

Thanks, User:Dcdiehardfan. Ping me when you're done, and I'll have another look. Cbl62 (talk) 18:03, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cbl62 Ok, I reduced the quoted content. I also modified my hook slightly and replaced it with a different source that better substantiates the content, but in case that doesn't work, I think my alternate hook could perhaps be ... the production team recreated the interior of Walter White and Jesse Pinkman's RV vehicles on a set from over 8,000 screenshots for their cameos in the Better Call Saul episode "Breaking Bad"? Source: [4] And I apologize if this is a bit messy as this is my first DYK nomination, so I'm learning the ropes here. -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

@Cbl62 and Dcdiehardfan: Looking closer the HR quotes the director, and giving the date is a point of accuracy. We probably have enough. I like the original hook better so I erased the April date, it is in the article and that is likely enough. Bruxton (talk) 20:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

I think it is ready to promote, just nowhere to put it. Long quotes alert Earwig (50%), but that is not unusual. Bruxton (talk) 20:29, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Good to go from my POV as well. Nice work, especially for a first DYK. I hope we see you here again! Cbl62 (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cbl62 and Bruxton: I did another edit to further reduce the quoted contents just to be on the safe side. I'm very thankful for you folks putting time into evaluating my DYK nomination and being so generous! I also look forward to doing more DYKs in the future! Thanks a lot! With that being said, do we need any more votes for the DYK to pass? -Dcdiehardfan (talk)

Just waiting now for an admin to promote it to a prep. That may take some time. Cbl62 (talk) 00:02, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Jimmy's phone call

Me: On November 12, 2010, Francesca Liddy drives to a pay phone in a remote location and awaits a call. Francesca answers and learns that the caller is Jimmy, now living as Gene Takavic in Omaha.

Masem: On November 12, 2010, drives to a pay phone in a remote location and awaits a call from Jimmy, now living as Gene Takavic in Omaha.

My argument: Francesca wasn't told ahead of time who the caller would be (Quite A Ride). Therefore, Francesca doesn't know who the caller is until she answers.

Masem's argument: You are adding 5 words to a plot summary for a tiny tiny tiny detail (about whether she knew the caller ahead of time). Plots must stay concise, they do not need to capture everything).

Facts: The plot summary is well below the 400 word limit, with or without the explanation that Francesca didn't know ahead of time who the caller would be.

In addition, the script makes clear that when Jimmy and Francesca arranged the call, she did not know ahead of time who would call, only that she should be at that phone on that day and at that time to answer it. Verification here.

Question: Does anyone else want to weigh in? Billmckern (talk) 14:47, 28 August 2023 (UTC)