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Other Brihaspati

There seems to be a ancient sage of the same name, usually listed under Hindu nihilism or materialism. He was founder or predecessor of the Charvakas (or Charvaka School). Quoted e.g. in http://www.iheu.org/node/834 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.187.110.1 (talk) 11:59, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[Geoffrey Riggs] Thanks for pointing that out. It seemed important enough to warrant such a clarification in the public article. So I've put in a paren to that effect at the close of the first paragraph, and I also refer readers to Wikipedia's Cārvāka article, where he's fully discussed. --July 14, 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffrey Riggs (talk • contribs) 16:29, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sloka

"Om graam greem graum sah brihasptaye namah"

"Om vrim brihaspataye namah"

The mantras are chanted on japa beads of 108 beads per string. They are similar to rosaries.

A Puranic mantra for propiating the Jupiter:

Devanam ca rishinam gurun kañchana-sannibhham buddhi-bhutam tri-lokesham tam namami brihaspatim

"I bow down to Brihaspati, god of the planet Jupiter. He is the spiritual master of all the demigods and sages. His complexion is golden, and he is full of intelligence. He is the controlling lord of all three worlds."^{[citation needed]}

Removing unreferenced sloka.--Redtigerxyz 13:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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No Consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 18:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bṛhaspati → Brihaspati

Per WP:ENGLISH and comments on Talk:Dashavatara#Requested_move, a standardized non-diacritic popular spelling Brihaspati 46,400 hits on Google scholar and 262,000 on Google web [1] is available and thus should be used. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 14:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Some English-language texts do transcribe Devanagari ृ (ऋ) as "ṛ". The common rendering as "ri" is because it is a common modern Indian pronunciation; but Sanskrit also has genuine "ri" (रि), and pronouncing "ṛ" and "ri" the same has caused misspellings between the two in Sanskrit manuscripts and inscriptions for hundreds of years. For linguistic accuracy "ृ" / "ऋ" should be transcribed different from "रि"; the old proper pronunciation of "ṛ" was "r" as a vowel, as in some American English pronunciations of "pretty" as "pr̥̄di". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 17:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since the anme is Sanskrit, we should spell it using the (now standard) transcription of Sanskrit; unless, like Sanskrit itself, it has come into common usage in English in a modified form. I see no evidence presented for this, and no reason to use Hindi rather Sanskrit. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:38, 23 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The transcription of Sanskrit (IAST) is not standard, Harvard-Kyoto, SLP1, ITRANS exist. The transcription is scholarly jargon for common Indian, who has never read Western scholar books. Indian magazines, newspapers etc. write in Indian English], not IAST. The diacritics are not part of Indian English and Brihaspati is an standard Anglicized spelling. Actually "Sanskrit" has the same ṛ (ri in the Anglicized spelling) as "Brihaspati". Brihaspati is in common usage like Sanskrit. Compare some stats: 262,000 hits on the web for Brihaspati v/s 30,100 for Bṛhaspati [2]. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 02:39, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and Sanskrit has been used in English since the eighteenth century; it has been standard usage since the 1840s. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:00, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a support for this proposal. Sanskrit is established English usage; this is not; indeed, Google Books (confused with Google Scholar above) suggests that the present spelling, having 54000 hits, is marginally more common, even in a search based in India. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:16, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The transcription of Sanskrit (IAST) is not standard, Harvard-Kyoto, SLP1, ITRANS exist (quoted from above) - This is not so. IAST is the standard, and it (with its forerunners) has been the standard for a long time. The others are alternatives that were necessary for early users of computers who only had ASCII characters available. Imc (talk) 22:52, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move. Unless a well-established Anglicized spelling exists (and/or the word is sufficiently well-known for its pronunciation to be recognized despite spelling), there is no reason to move to an inaccurate spelling that misrepresents pronunciation. The ṛ (ऋ) sound is not the same as ri (रि), and this identification is also not universal in modern India — in particular, in at least Karnataka and Maharashtra, they are pronounced closer to ru (रु) — thus the 12400 Google results for "Bruhaspati". If non-English sources are included, the overwhelming majority of sources use a phonetically correct pronunciation, and that's how it should be. :-) Shreevatsa (talk) 05:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Imc (talk) 22:53, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruhaspati and Bhramanaspati are totally different persons

Bruhaspati and Bhramanaspati are totally different persons. Please check the content of the actual source once. I guess none of the ancient texts have mentioned about this.

203.124.129.66 (talk) 10:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Kishore N203.124.129.66 (talk) 10:56, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Removing list of astrological effects in the 12 houses

I am removing the list of astrological effects in the 12 houses since and in-depth guide of astrological interpretation seems inappropriate for this page.

Blademasterx (talk) 04:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Zodiac section

Who added the content in the Zodiac section? It need cleanup. It is written like a superstitious astrology magazine. ChandlerMinh (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ChandlerMinh: yes it needs cleanup. I am currently working on Rukmini and will try to fix this article soon. BTW, I think this article should be renamed Brihaspati as per WP:Use English and WP: Common name..245CMR.•^👥📜 14:14, 17 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 14 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 5 7 20:41, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bṛhaspati → Brihaspati – This discussion was held in 2010, but it was closed as there was no consensus. However this should be moved as per following reasons:

I know the difference between ऋ and री, but ऋ is generally transliterated as Ri in simple English. Eg. Krishna, Rishi, etc.
A standard primary transliteration is there ie Brihaspati and it should be used over formal transliteration (IAST). WP:Useenglish, WP: common name
For example see:
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--.245CMR.•^👥📜 12:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support
- Times of India Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:38, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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I see no issue with mantra from previous edit

Just wanted to say that I think it's relevant, as some other articles for Hindu/Vedic Deities on Wikipedia have mantras and scripture included. I would advise that the devanagari be supplemented with romanization/transliteration for overall readability and clarify for readers. Just make sure to provide references from adequate sources. Just my two-cents. DNocterum (talk) 13:32, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brihaspati and Brahmanaspati

Brihaspathi and Brahmanaspathi are the solstices, Brihaspathi of the summer (Rigveda 10.182.1 meaning Dakshinayana, the southern path through the Zodiac) and Brahmanaspati of the winter, the begin of devayana the northern path through the Zodiac. The signal-call of Rigveda 1.190.4 (Brihaspathi) and 7.97.3 (Brahmanaspathi, compare 7.97.9) is depicted on the calendar of the sungate of Tiahuanacu which shows the oldest calendar of the Hindus as it is found in the Vedas. 2003:F5:F746:F400:58FF:87C1:D9A3:FC2 (talk) 15:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]