Talk:British Rail Class 230

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Redirect

I've created this page as a redirect to the relevant section on the London Underground D78 Stock article for the time being while we wait for further information to be released. Feel free to remove the redirect and turn this into a fully-fledged article as and when necessary. GeorgeGriffiths (talk) 12:11, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now that the prototype has been built I've created the article again. Crookesmoor (talk) 07:08, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lot more in the Vivarail article which could usefully be moved here. Biscuittin (talk) 21:47, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Biscuittin (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DC traction motors, or AC?

The article says

"The propulsion system uses several DC traction motors, which are considered by the manufacturer to be reliable, easy to maintain and provide superior performance to their AC counterparts."

then

"The AC traction motors are sourced from specialist Traktionssysteme Austria."

Which is it? 83.104.249.240 (talk) 10:30, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is using AC motors with IGTB's to create AC from DC. 78.32.74.106 (talk) 14:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

230003 to 230005

I have seen some photos today of the ex-LNWR 230s at Reading depot for example this image here. https://twitter.com/traindriversam/status/1679283848050294785 I have asked GWR for what units they have to see if they can shed any light on it. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 09:09, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Great Western Railway has confirmed they have four 230s in their fleet. https://twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/1679459051804020737 Should I change the table to reflect this new information? I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 16:34, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@I Like The british Rail Class 483 That source is okay for now - go for it. But I would suggest tagging it with ^{[better source needed]}. Hope that helps. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please use reliable sources, not twitter (even if apparently official), this may take a week or five to reach the mainstream railway press, but see WP:DEADLINE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:11, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a quick note, @I Like The british Rail Class 483 - please make sure you use citation templates where possible, such as Template:Cite Tweet. Bare links are subject to link rot, and aren't particularly user friendly as they don't give much information. Danners430 (talk) 09:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I struggle, with converting from bare links to non bare links, hence I normally leave them as bare links. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 16:33, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Redrose64 To be fair, I doubt any major news outlet would publish about them being transfer from LNWR to GWR. Also there is photos on the internet of them being moved. Also GWRhelp is a Twitter Verified account so reading the rules, it says if it is Verified account it should be okay. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 16:39, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not talking about major news outlets in the sense of the BBC, ITN, The Times, The Daily Telegraph etc. but to the railway press, such as Modern Railways, Rail, Rail Express, Railway Gazette International, The Railway Magazine, and Today's Railways UK - these are generally considered reliable (I have pointed this out to you before: see for example this reply that I left for you at 21:31, 22 March 2021 (UTC)), and these magazines certainly cover transfers of rolling stock from one TOC to another. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:08, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, but I haven't heard any from the Railway media about the 230s around December last year. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 19:16, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree that a source from the mainstream railway press would be preferable, but as far as I'm concerned the GWR tweet satisfies the conditions of WP:ABOUTSELF and is suitable for inclusion in the absence of contradiction. WP:DEADLINE is a nice concept, but the counteressay WP:DEADLINENOW is arguably also pertinent other than that we're discussing a small piece of information that is merely outdated rather than actively incorrect. For my part, after the utter debacle of the Class 315 withdrawal edit-warring, I'm far more willing to tolerate the use of lower-tier sources (ideally temporarily, of course) if they can reasonably help to bring articles up to speed and obviate future instances of back-and-forward fiddling. XAM2175 ^(T) 09:53, 15 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found a source which suggests only two 315s are left, I have posted the link in the class 315 talk page, just so that other people can chose whether it is reliable enough for Wikipedia. Also I found some sources for the North Dorset Railway which I have also left in the North Dorset Railway talk page, so that other editors can chose whether the sources are reliable enough. I Like The british Rail Class 483 (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

US - based 230s

Can anyone confirm the current owners of the US based 230 vehicles, while it states "Vivarail"; considering they entered administration the owner would have changed after dissolution? Nightfury 21:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily - administration essentially means trading ceases, while administrators deal with the company’s assets… do we know if the company is fully dissolved yet? Danners430 (talk) 21:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It takes many months - sometimes several years - before administration results in dissolution. For example, see Woolworths Group (United Kingdom), where we find: Woolworths Group plc entered administration on 27 January 2009, and it was officially dissolved on 13 October 2015 - more than six and a half years. The task of an administrator is not to put an end to a company, but to straighten out the accounts (such as selling the assets in order to pay off the creditors) with a view to an eventual return to solvency. This does sometimes happen, as in the case of The HMV Shop, which entered administration twice (in January 2013 and in December 2018), each time returning to solvency (in April 2013 and in February 2019), which permitted the administrators to be discharged. Whilst in administration, a company may continue trading, but conditions may be imposed - for example, suppliers may require payment up front. More at Administration in United Kingdom law. --Redrose64 🦌 (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So to answer the original question, most likely the units are still owned by Vivarail unless something has changed that we're unaware of. Danners430 (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]