Talk:Bud Grant

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Date	Process	Result
May 22, 2007	Peer review	Reviewed
May 28, 2007	Good article nominee	Listed
November 13, 2008	Good article reassessment	Kept
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Current status: Good article

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GA hold

lead does not summarize the article's sections. Cover each section in the lead.
What about his post-coaching career and life?
What about his early interests in sports, his education, etc? More on his non-football background would flesh out the bio.

GA hold lasts 10 days. Leave msg on my talk page when done.Sumoeagle179 09:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

PassSumoeagle179 21:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Bud Grant/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. A number of non-essential suggestions are given below as pointer to improve the article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards,--Jackyd101 (talk) 16:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS):

Prose is pretty good, probably an 8/10, although I'm not 100% that "winningest" is actually a word.--Jackyd101 (talk) 16:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

Make sure that all references come after punctuation, otherwise the text gets broken up.--Jackyd101 (talk) 16:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
Overall:
a Pass/Fail:

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NFL/NFC Championships

The data block on the upper right side of the article listed Grant as a 4 time NFC champion, this is incorrect. Bud Grants won the NFL championship at the end of the 1969 season as the entrance fee for Super Bowl IV. The NFC did not exist at that point. I adjusted the data to reflect that, including a wiki-link referencing the game itself. Good day.

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Asterisk 1982

The table of Grant's head coaching career has an * next to "1982". But, there is no explanation of what the "*" indicates. A corresponding "*" appears nowhere else in the article. SlowJog (talk) 15:39, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@SlowJog: I believe this was supposed to refer to the 1982 players' strike shortening the season, so I've added a note below the table. Thanks for pointing that out! Eagles 24/7 (C) 15:48, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NFL Champion

How come it says NFL champion in 1969 when the Super Bowl was around? Shouldn’t it say NFC title? 50.4.117.105 (talk) 01:30, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Super Bowl IV was played on January 11, 1970, to determine the champion of the 1969 season. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:38, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead sentence issues

The lead sentence currenty reads ...was an American football coach, a Canadian football player, and a National Basketball Association (NBA) player. He was accomplished as a player and coach in both the NFL and CFL, so it's misleading to link individaul sports to his various roles. Gridiron football seems the most appropriate link, and per MOS:TIES, people in North America just call it "football".

Also, it seems contrary to MOS:ROLEBIO to place his basketball career in the lead sentence. It's trivial there, not part of his core notability, and is fine mentioned later in the lead. —Bagumba (talk) 06:03, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bagumba: I want to begin by saying nothing I'm saying here is intended in a insulting manner, there just isn't a good way to word what I have to say without sounding potentially insulting. For starters, for the longest time NFL related articles have had a lede that was "_____ was an American football (linked position)", "_______ is an American football (linked position)", or "_______ is a former American football (linked position)" for players or "_______ was/is an American football coach" before you took upon yourself to start changing them. First you used sea of blue as your reasoning (even though back to back links is hardly a sea of blue violation). Then for former players you stating "he is still American" before changing the lede, seemingly oblivious to American properly identifying the sport to not confuse non-US English speakers confusing it with this football. Identifying nationality of NFL players is highly unnecessary as 99% (not literally, just making a point) of NFL players are born in the US. His basketball career should be mentioned in the lede because he played 96 games in the NBA and won the finals with the Lakers. The lede I added fully encompasses his notabilities and orders them in how important it was to his notability. I can concede to doing gridiron football for the playing portion of the lede, but the coaching portion of the lede needs to be "was an American football coach" (with American football fully displayed and linked to the American football page) and should be mentioned first as his coaching accomplishments far outweigh his playing accomplishments.--Rockchalk7 17 17:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I have that out of the way, what about "was an American football coach, gridiron football player, and a National Basketball Association (NBA) player." exactly like that.--Rockchalk7 17 17:23, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He coached in the U.S. and Canada. It's misleading to only link American football with "coach" when he also coached Canadian football, but then link gridiron football next to "player". As for the NBA, it is still in the lead, just not in the lead sentence, per MOS:ROLEBIO. If there is consensus to have basketball also in the lead sentence, my recommendation is to be symmetric and either only list the sports in the lead sentence, or list both sports and leagues in the lead sentence. It's inconsistent to only list football without the leagues in the lead sentence, but then mention NBA without the sport. —Bagumba (talk) 00:54, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]