Talk:Campbell's dwarf hamster

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January 12, 2013	Peer review	Reviewed
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Diabetes

This is a very common health problem among the Russian Dwarf's, and I'm curious why it isn't mentioned here. Most hamsters purchased at Pet Stores already have diabetes. It's the biggest health concern with them, so it would be nice to see a section about that, or to have it inserted in there somewhere. Along with the recommendation that they never be fed fruit or anything with sugar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.97.125.46 (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

24.97.125.46 (talk) 19:03, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Lifespan Thing

To avoid an edit war, I've changed the lifespan information to reflect both views: 18-24 months or 18-36 months. In my own experience of many years and many Campbell's dwarf hamsters, the first figure is the average. Only 18% of my dwarfs who are deceased have lived past two years, and I am including those who lives only a few days or weeks past their second birthday. These are all hamsters who may have received better-than-average care, with veterinary care, diabetic-friendly diet, low stress handling, safe exercise conditions, etc. Remember, we are talking about average lifespan, not possible lifespan. I know of one dwarf hamster on Flickr who lived to be some months past 4, but this would hardly be considered average.

However, I do concede that places like Petsmart, Petco, etc. give the average lifespan as 18-36 months. The hamster-owning community has voiced concerns over misinformation at these companies in forums such as the newsgroup alt.pets.hamsters, so this statistic should not be taken without question, but that doesn't make it invalid, either.

That said, perhaps dwarf hamsters who live in captivity in a lab, as opposed to a home, have a longer lifespan. This may be due to routine culling, for example, making for a heartier specimen than what the casual breeder can offer. Just a bit of speculation, and by no means based on any kind of fact.

Clearly, we need to see more sources for these numbers.

Shari 21:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Source

As some of the information has been copied word for word from Pet Web Site (formerly The Complete Hamster Site established in 1997) am surprised to see it not added as a Resource or External link with this page.

http://www.petwebsite.com/hamsters/dwarf_campbells_russian_hamsters.htm http://www.petwebsite.com/hamsters/breeding_russian_hamsters.htm

82.10.107.126 (talk) 13:04, 29 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

so cute !!!!

i just got a campbell russian dwarf hamster today and they are sooooooooooooooooo cute !!!!!!!!!!!!!! P.S. he's called Charlie

Tommy Gallagher (talk) 15:16, 27 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:FORUM. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 16:08, 29 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

~== Sources and Photo ==

This article has no sources and some of the information seems dubious to me. One editor suggests that some of the article has been copied verbatim from a website.

As for the photo, how do we know it is Campbell's rather than Siberian? It is not a clear photo in terms of identification.Michaplot (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Curent picture is Djungarian hamster — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.26.17.194 (talk) 15:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am certainly not an expert in hamsters, but the text and lead photo clearly conflict. The text indicates the Campbell's dwarf hamster does NOT have a dark patch on the crown of its head, but the animal in the photo clearly does.__DrChrissy (talk) 19:13, 13 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Further to the concerns above, in the section 'Physical appearance' the text states '...and the fur on the stomach of Campbell's dwarf hamster is grey, but it is white on the Djungarian hamster'. In the image on this section, the fur on the stomach appears to be white!__DrChrissy (talk) 20:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 05:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I am interested here. My comments:

The lead should mention its binomial authority (Thomas here). Also, this article lacks a Taxonomy section, while all GAs I know necessarily have one. As you may be knowing, here you discuss about who first described the species and when, its nomenclature (the info you have of the hamster's first sighting can prove useful) and if possible its naming (I can help you here).

Good, you have created this section! You have put in good work, but you must clearly mention that this hamster is the type species of Phodopus. Write the first line or two as something like (I also add more lucid details): The scientific name of Campbell's dwarf hamster is Phodopus campbelli. This species is the type species of Phodopus, and is named after W. C. Campbell, who first described it on July 1, 1902.
The exact location was given as "Shaborte" (a Mongolian term for a dried up lake) and so the exact location is unknown. Sounds a bit awkward. Could you clarify it? Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 12:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~I think you should keep all taxonomic details before physical details in the lead, for proper sequence.~~
~~In the second paragraph of lead, also add diet and habitat details.~~
Create a third paragraph as well, mentioning in which countries this hamster occurs, and what its conservation status is (Least Concern here). The IUCN site has all you need. And yes, it even has synonyms. Add these synonyms in the infobox as well as in the Taxonomy part.

You should write taxonomic synonyms in the synonyms part, not common names. You know, they are different concepts. Well, I have fixed them now. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 15:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~I do not think "Biology" a proper heading. You must have a section "Physical description", describing all physical details.~~ Then an "Ecology" (or "Behaviour") section, which is about the behaviour of the animal, under which Breeding and Diet are often subheadings.

Then comes Habitat, and then Conservation (again, use the IUCN details mostly). Do not worry, this article needs reworking, and I am willing to do much of it.

I do not believe that this should be done, as the breeding and habitat sections are long enough to have their own section. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 20:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not necessary to have Diet and Breeding as subheadings, it is as you like. I did not say to have Habitat as a subheading, I told you how the sequence of the sections is to be. But please create the "Status and Conservation" section soon. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 14:42, 17 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 17:12, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The facts about lifespan - In a laboratory experiment, the average life span for a male Campbell's dwarf hamster in captivity was 278 days and the average life span for a female was 356 days.[11] ... life expectancy of captive hamsters to be greater than that of wild hamsters.[27] - are actually proper in "Physical description", probably under a subheading "Lifespan".
~~You do not use many images while there are some available here in Commons.~~

This article needs more work, but I am not failing it. Please reply, I wish to know what you think of my suggestions. Also, I have access to more journal articles online, which can provide literature to this article. Cheers, Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 05:48, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the comments, I am currently writing the taxonomy section and I will do my best to fix the other issues whilst the article is on hold. Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 17:53, 14 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are working well. We must quickly rework this article, and I will see to the images, as I know you have the heavier load of rewriting the text as I tell you. Once done with this, I would give you the links of some useful scholarly articles I just spotted. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 12:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'll chime in, because I noticed a taxonomic oddity. The subspecies names do not conform to how such are formed, as trinomials, but are instead binomials, which would indicate full species are meant. Furthermore, the source is over a hundred years old. Are these subspecies even considered valid anymore? I think only a newer source could shed light on this. FunkMonk (talk) 16:00, 19 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have written it as a trinomial, must be just a mistake. I could find a citation for P. c. crepidatus here, but none for P. c. campbelli. Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 10:08, 20 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done Puffin ^{Let's talk!} 16:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Very well, I think this is now ready to be a GA. Congrats! Sainsf <^>_{Talk all words} 13:18, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Allium?

So garlic and onion are toxic to them, yet in the wild Allium species may constitute a significant part of the diet? What gives? Are some Allium nontoxic (I doubt that)? Or is it bulbs toxic, leaves nontoxic? (Are chives and leek greens nontoxic to them? What about Siberian spring onions? Which species are eaten in the wild?) Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 17:31, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]