Talk:Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal

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@Makeandtoss: we can continue our conversation here. Feel free to edit the article.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 05:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: Consider WP:DYK. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:02, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, please see Template:Did you know nominations/Ceasefire proposal for Israel–Hamas war (May 5). VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 03:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination[edit]

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... that celebrations happened in the Gaza Strip after Hamas accepted an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal?

Source: [1], [2]

ALT1: ... that Hamas accepted an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal under which it would agree not to rebuild its military arsenal? Source: [3]
ALT2: ... that CIA Director William J. Burns played a key role in drafting an Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal that Hamas accepted? Source: [4] [5]
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Julius Welschof

Created by Vice regent (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 03:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

The notability of the article is questionable. If the proposal is not implemented and is replaced by another proposal (which seems to be the case at the moment) do you think anyone will be remotely interested in this article a year from now? Vegan416 (talk) 14:04, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I do think it’s a significant proposal that will continue to be mentioned years from now. For example, consider the Palestinian proposal at Camp David, which was eventually replaced by an Israeli proposal. Initial media coverage was mainly focused on the Israeli proposal, but as the years passed by academic literature began to pick up on the Palestinian proposal and we can see evidence of WP:SIGCOV in 2003, 2006, 2007, 2012, 2017 etc.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 04:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Issue with all 3 hooks: lack sufficient clarity that Israel did not agree (both before and after). Do you have an alternative suggestion? FortunateSons (talk) 06:54, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FortunateSons here is another suggestion:

- ALT3: ... on May 31, Joe Biden presented a three-phase ceasefire proposal that was welcomed by Hamas but opposed by some members of the Israeli cabinet? Source: [6][7]

VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vice regent This is definitely better, but I would like an uninvolved person to evaluate it. Thank you :) FortunateSons (talk) 16:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

add the 3 disagreed points of the proposal[edit]

right after the sentence:

"Hamas said it disagreed with three points in that proposal"

add: "the 3 points that they disagreed in that proposal:

a permanent ceasefire
withdrawal of what the source called “occupation forces” – that is, Israeli troops – from the Gaza Strip
the return of displaced people from the south to the north."

the citation could be from the same cnn article https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/03/middleeast/isreal-delegation-cairo-gaza-hostages-intl/index.html 79.180.47.77 (talk) 14:20, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

clarification regarding the living Israeli hostage[edit]

in the wikipedia article is regarding the 1st stage of the deal

"In this stage, Hamas would release 33 Israeli captives. It would start with releasing all living Israeli children (under 19), all living civilian women, all living elderly (over age 50) Israelis, and all living female Israeli soldiers"

but in the aljazeera article its written:

"During the first phase, Hamas shall release 33 Israeli captives (alive or dead), including women (civilians and soldiers), children (under the age of 19 who are not soldiers), those over the age of 50, and the sick, in exchange for a number of prisoners in Israeli prisons and detention centres, according to the following [criteria]:

.....

If there are fewer than 33 living Israeli detainees to be released, a number of bodies from the same categories shall be released to complete this stage. In return, Israel will release all women and children who were arrested from the Gaza Strip after October 7, 2023 – provided this is done in the fifth week of this stage."

can we address possibility of fewer then 33 hostages alive in the summery of the first step of the deal? 79.180.47.77 (talk) 14:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be added: Egyptian intelligence may have changed term[edit]

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Thoughts? FortunateSons (talk) 06:12, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now they are saying the same thing about Joe Biden. I think Egyptian response to the allegations against it is quite apt: "Some parties play a game of accusing the mediators, blaming and accusing them of bias in order to evade making the required decisions." VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AfD?[edit]

I'm not sure that every proposal that anyone suggests during a long process of negotiations deserves a wikipedia article Vegan416 (talk) 13:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its worth noting that Joe Biden just announced a proposal that reliable sources are saying is almost "identical" to the ceasefire proposal this article is about:

On May 6, Hamas said it had agreed to a ceasefire proposal by Egypt and Qatar that appears to be almost identical to the one Biden announced on Friday. Israeli leaders rejected that initiative. Al-Jazeera
"This deal to stop the war is nearly identical to Hamas, its own proposals, of only a few weeks ago" Washington Post quotes a Biden administration official.
"The proposal Biden outlined in great detail appeared nearly identical to the one Hamas agreed to in early May. The main exception appeared to be no reference to the complete lifting of Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip." Middle East Eye

almost identical" to the proposal this article is about.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 02:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"almost identical" is not identical. Vegan416 (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article replacement[edit]

This edit completely replaces the article by deleting almost everything that was there previously, and replacing it with an entirely different article. I understand the topics are strongly connected. And I wouldn't have objected if the edit merely added the material without removing the previous material. Hence I will undo this edit. I will also undo the undiscussed move. Please start a move request.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@ElijahPepe: by the time I found the "In use" template there had been no edits for nearly 15 hours. Once you're done with edits, please remove the in use template.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 14:52, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great, I can clear this article off my "to write" list. Feel free to do the work yourself. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]