Talk:Chernihiv Governorate

Merger proposal

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To merge Chernigov Governorate into the more modern Chernihiv Governorate given their historical continuity, for context and given the short text; the question of final name (Governnorate or similar) remains unresolved. Klbrain (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

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I propose merging Chernigov Governorate into Chernihiv Governorate. The subject of both articles is the single region of Ukraine, separated by the 1917 collapse of the Russian empire. This is inconsistent with articles about the other eight Ukrainian gubernias: Katerynoslav Governorate, Kiev Governorate, Kharkiv Governorate, Kherson Governorate, Podolia Governorate, Poltava Governorate, and Volhynia Governorate. —Michael Z. 23:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but I believe the most common name would be Chernigov Governorate. Ymblanter (talk) 09:03, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

I believe gubernia, province, and government are all more commonly used than governorate.

In a Ukrainian context, Chernihiv may be more common, and this should be considered since this was one of the nine Ukrainian gubernias of the Russian Empire, and was more recently in the Ukrainian People’s Republic and the Ukrainian SSR.

You’re right that we should consider the name. —Michael Z. 17:01, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Google Advanced Book Search results, no date filter. The “province” results probably include many references to a different subject, Chernihiv oblast, 1932–present. We could also consider limiting the search to recent sources, or by subject.

• "Chernigov Province" Page 47 of about 249,000 results
• "Chernihiv Province" Page 31 of about 21,800 results
• "Chernihiv Gubernia" Page 21 of about 13,500 results
• "Chernigov Government" Page 19 of about 7,430 results
• "Chernigov Gubernia" Page 17 of about 4,630 results
• "Chernigov guberniia" Page 14 of about 3,030 results
• "Chernigov guberniya" Page 9 of about 1,110 results
• "Chernigov Governorate" Page 7 of about 623 results
• "Chernihiv guberniia" Page 2 of about 34 results
• "Chernihiv Governorate" 10 results
• "Chernihiv guberniya" 8 results
• "Chernihiv Government" No results found for "Chernihiv government" -Wikipedia

 —Michael Z. 17:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

N.B.: Google’s total “results” number is bogus. The actual results are listed 10 per page. —Michael Z. 18:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit: added results for spellings guberniia and guberniya. —Michael Z. 21:37, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I just realized the articles are actually split not at the Russian revolution, but in April 1918, with the Russian empire and Ukrainian People’s Republic under the Central Rada in the one, and under Skoropadsky’s Ukrainian State, the Ukrainian Directorate, and the Ukrainian SSR in the other. I suppose there’s a logical rationale, but I think the case for merging is much more solid. —Michael Z. 17:08, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

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  Y Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Use of information in article, The Norka

Geographical information from Chernihiv Governorate comparing boundaries of Chernihiv Governorate with modern day boundaries was used in the article, The Norka. BowTieTuba (talk) 00:31, 11 July 2023 (UTC)