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@JusticeforHKpatroits: Please discuss here before making another revert. Your additions do not adhere to Wikipedia's policy on WP:NPOV. You mentioned that the term "riot police" is "very biased" – to my knowledge this is a pretty neutral and common English term. Please better explain your concerns. Thanks. Citobun (talk) 07:48, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@JusticeforHKpatroits: I have removed the "police violence" part that you mentioned. Please stop reverting as obviously changing the heading to "campus rioting" does not adhere to the WP:NPOV policy. Citobun (talk) 08:02, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Citobun: Let me talk about something I think is not appropriate in your restored version:
  1. Only mentioned police entered the campus and fired tear gas, bean bag, etc, no mentioning the reason: protesters tried to throw objects to block railway and road, and eventually the railway and roads were blocked after police retreats. Which is bias. So I think should add something like "To prevent block of railway and road, the police entered the campus ..."
  2. President Tuan's mediation was not directly refused by police. In fact, I think both sides were in tension (such as new attacks by throwing hazardous objects and laser beams by protesters), making it fail. So I suggest directly say it fails and cite proper sources and let readers to judge by themselves.
  3. Police retreat by around 13, and protesters occupied the campus during 13-15, which is of course illegally (most faculty members, staffs and students left the campus before these 3 days. Most of protesters left are not CUHK students.)
  4. Other truths not mentioned: leaving thousands of petro bombs by protesters; Protesters barricaded most entrances and exits, leading to a campus-wide transport disruption. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JusticeforHKpatroits (talk • contribs) 08:37, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@JusticeforHKpatroits: This paragraph is just a brief summary of the main article about this event, and hence doesn't exhaustively include every detail. My response to each point is as follows:
  1. I have added the context as you suggested.
  2. The current text is supported by reliable sources cited in the main article on the conflict (HKFP article)
  3. The passage already says that protesters occupied the campus. Need a citation for the claim that most of the protesters are not CUHK students. I also am not sure why this would need to be said explicitly (if true) considering the passage mainly describes them as "protesters" and not exclusively as students.
  4. The passage does mention barricades and transport disruption. The main article covers the presence of petrol bombs among other things. It is evident from your username that you are here to push a particular political viewpoint (in favour of Hong Kong "patriots" which evidently does not include pro-democracy protesters), contrary to our policy on Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. I am fine with making sure articles are neutral, but to come here on a political campaign is not compatible with Wikipedia policy. Details of the event are covered in the main article. Thanks, Citobun (talk) 09:08, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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