Talk:Comparative mythology

potiental topics to include

here is a list of possible/potiental topics to include in this article: (knowing full well the topics of religion and myth can be blurred/intertwined/etc)

final battle, end times ,Eschatology etc Armageddon, Ragnarök, 2012 phenomenon (Mayan calendar), Kali yuga, etc.

Pyramids. these structures are seen all throughout the world. very possible there may be a common thread as it pertains to comparative mythology.

Ouroboros. A colossal serpent/dragon. Jörmungandr (midgard world serpent). Lotan (Leviathan),Chaoskampf, Tiamat,Yamata no Orochi (has a long list in the "Mythological parallels" section.

I bow out. good day. Gizziiusa (talk) 06:32, 28 April 2019 (UTC)gizziiusa

Primiordal Void

I noticed that every culture has a primiordal void Nyarlat 1920 (talk) 14:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

I added another motif labeled "Creation of the earthly realm" in which I copy/pasted info from the "Creation Myth" wiki article. Primordial Void doesnt exist as an article within wikipedia, however Primordial Chaos (aka Chaos (Cosmogony)) does, and Im going to assume the former and latter mean essentially the same thing.

I will attempt to add Chaos (Cosmogony) as a sub-section to this motif at a later date, and will include your definition "Primordial void" within it, unless/until someone else decides it doesnt need to be included within it. good day Gizziiusa (talk) 22:43, 24 July 2022 (UTC)gizziiusa

Where does the preview of the Lipoma image come from?

Not sure if I should ask on this talk page or that of Myth. I was just reading this article and the 'See also' section contains Mythography which is a redirect to Myth. I noticed that the preview picture is that of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lipoma_04.jpg but how exactly is this referenced in here? It seems that the picture is only used in the Lipoma article. Anyone knows whats going on here? Thanks! RealLifeRobot (talk) 13:35, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Help Wanted: Resources for Death in Mythology/Religion/Traditions

Recent vandalism over at List of death deities exposed a real issue with the selection criteria for that article. Specifically, most of the entities listed either are not deities per se (think San Pascualito and Gede Nibo), or they are gods, but not gods explicitly of death (think Hades and Anubis). Finding wording to define what is and is not appropriate for such an article is a challenge, and sourcing is a nightmare. A scholarly search for 'death' yields several thousand years of writing about grief and loss, and adding 'god', 'myth' or 'religion' gets you into a quagmire of Abrahamic and Buddhist dissertations that lead in circles. Does anyone here have recommendations for tertiary works or overviews that might help? If so, could you respond here or join the discussion over at List of death deities? Please & Thank You, Last1in (talk) 13:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Deletion and restoration of of Jinn section

Jinn section was deleted here, with the summary:
Deleted the "Jinn" section in its entirety due to relevance. Perhaps it belongs in the Comparative Religion article instead. (UTC)gizziiusa
Rvt-ed by me for 2 reasons:

1. There is much evidence Jinn are mythological figures as well as religious. (see for exampleJinn#Pre-Islamic_era)
2. There is much content in the article on religious figures (overlapping with mythology of course). --Louis P. Boog (talk) 00:18, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I support your objection. The fact that jinn are also a religious concept is a ludicrous reason to remove them from a mythology article. Virtually all 'myths' are or were religious. Cosmogony is illustrated in this article with a biblical scene. Dragons and serpents appear symbolically in modern and ancient religions, and the Great Flood appears in virtually every religious and mythological scheme currently known, both modern and ancient. If we remove all content that is related to a religion -- especially considering neopagan, 'reconstructed' and 'revived' faiths -- we'd be left with... actually, I can't find anything in the article that would survive! Cheers, Last1in (talk) 15:38, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I sent replies to your home page. please read them. The article is "Comparitive". What exactly does the Jinn compare to in other cultures in other parts of the world? Gizziiusa (talk) 14:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Im under the impression that the article (Comparative Mythology) wants to emphasize comparisons that happen "happen stance" across differing parts of the world. The Jinn simply dont follow that path, but rather are limited to, as you say Arab folklore, and Islam (for the most part)

Granted, there are other mythological motifs that have a resemblance, like giants and, Dragons and Serpents (Ouroboros) for example, howevever these are covered across large expanse globally.

If Jinn is added, I think we will start down a slippery slope of ("ok if Jinn is going to added, then so must Angels, and demons, and perhaps even the phoenix" (if the phoenix would be applicable, that is)). With this in mind, and no reply from L.P. Boog I will yet again remove "Jinn" from the article Gizziiusa (talk) 22:30, 10 November 2024 (UTC)gizziiusa

There are a lot of problems with that position, not least of which is a slippery slope of ("ok if Jinn is going to added, then so must Angels, and demons...) Angels and demons are discussed in the article, and they should be. Non- or semi-divine servants, messengers, spies and nemeses of and to the gods are a common motif in a variety of traditions.

My major problem with the Jinn section was that it only drew comparisons between a very narrow set of mythologies centred around the Levant (Abrahamic religions and their antecedents). Even nearby analogues like the parī and div were ignored. The mythologic construct of preternatural/supernatural beings that occupy the space between men and their gods are legion. Some scholars has drawn comparisons between them and the lwa/orisha in sub-Saharan Africa and the diaspora, various pre-contact examples in the Americas, and (in a few cases) late pre-Shinto yōkai. Subcontinental mythological frameworks have myriad beings that are more like or less like Jinn, such as specific aspects of daityas and danavas. If anything, the section should have been expanded, not removed.

Even if we ignore examples that were not originally included, the section drew strong, reliably sourced connexions between Jinn and mythological beings from other (admittedly nearby) cultures. I think removing the section is ill-advised, and negatively impacts the value of the encyclopaedia. Cheers, Last1in (talk) 13:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Duly noted. However can we at least "simplify it" and make it shorter in length ? Imho, the original Jinn motif was/is too lengthy. Surely summarizing it would prove prudent. Gizziiusa (talk) 02:23, 18 November 2024 (UTC)