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A fact from Constans II (son of Constantine III) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 February 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Constans II was a monk before he became a Roman emperor?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Constans II (son of Constantine III).

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Was Constans II a usurper?

Constans II was recognised as Caesar when Honorius recognised his father Constantine III as Augustus. Thus, Constans II was appointed Augustus (co-emperor) when his father was a legitimate emperor. That makes him semi-legitimate as an Emperor, and the act of being raised to the throne by a legitimate emperor is not an usurpation.Sponsianus (talk) 11:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Constans II (son of Constantine III)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Iazyges (talk · contribs) 18:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will take this on. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria

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Discussion

Prose Suggestions

Please note that almost all of these are suggestions, and can be implemented or ignored at your discretion. Any changes I deem necessary for the article to pass GA standards I will bold.

Lede

The splitting of the lede seems slightly awkward, with the short first para and long second one; suggest either merging or re-allocating to make it either one big para or two medium-sized ones.

Done. (One bigger one.)

Made some copyedits, feel free to revert them.

Prelude

was a common soldier[note 2] suggest bringing the note into prose as was a common soldier, rather than an officer,

It comes across really odd sounding to me. If you don't like the footnote, I could bracket it off?

It just seems odd to me to have a footnote so short, when it could easily be prose instead. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:34, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Caesar

Little is known of Constans prior to his father being declared emperor. Constantine's oldest son was a monk at the time his father rebelled I think Constans is not introduced enough for a reader to understand that Constantine's oldest son is the same person as Constans; indeed this confused me for a second. Perhaps Little is known of Constans, the eldest son of Constantine, prior to his father being declared emperor. Constans was a monk at the time of the rebellion...

Absolutely. *Smacks head* Thank you.

and appointing Apollinaris as praetorian prefect, or chief minister phrasing might come off as him holding one of two positions, suggest and appointing Apollinaris as praetorian prefect (chief minister) to clarify that this a gloss.

Ha, ha! See my Glycerius review. I have gone with "appointing Apollinaris as chief minister (with the title of praetorian prefect)."

rebelled and overthrew the new regime on first read this seemed to be in support of Constantine, perhaps an appendage of rebelled and overthrew the new regime of Constantine in Hispania; the in Hispania part is very optional, but I think it helps to clarify that they overturned his rule in Hispania, but not everywhere.

Fair point. Rewritten.

Didymus and Verinianus went with him and were executed there as civilian rebels went with him seems rather more willing than I'm sure they were, perhaps Didymus and Verinianus were taken with him and were executed there as civilian rebels

Hmm. I meant "went with him" as spare robe went with him, and as cousins to the reigning emperor they may well have had very decent treatment. How would you feel about "accompanied him"?

Works well enough for me. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 22:35, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Gog the Mild: That is all of my suggestions, passing now. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:18, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Iazyges, much appreciated. Responses to your comments are above. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:32, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 14:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Constans II was a monk before he became a Roman emperor? Source: Drinkwater, J. F. (1998). "The Usurpers Constantine III (407-411) and Jovinus (411-413)". Britannia. 29: page 272. JSTOR 526818; Kulikowski, Michael (2000). "Barbarians in Gaul, Usurpers in Britain". Britannia. 31: page 337. JSTOR 526925.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Uthmaniyya

Improved to Good Article status by Gog the Mild (talk). Self-nominated at 22:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC). Note: As of October 2022, all changes made to promoted hooks will be logged by a bot. The log for this nomination can be found at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Constans II (son of Constantine III), so please watch a successfully closed nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I can take up this DYK nomination over the next few days. Unlimitedlead (talk) 02:51, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:

@Gog the Mild: I lied. I actually did it right now out of boredom. Congrats on promoting this article to GA status; everything looks fine in terms of DYK. The hook is very intriguing. Hopefully it'll attract attention when it shows up on the Main Page. Unlimitedlead (talk) 02:55, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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