Talk:Cultural genocide

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Cultural genocide article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1: 12 months

Sociology Mid‑importance

	Society portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Sociology, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of sociology on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SociologyWikipedia:WikiProject SociologyTemplate:WikiProject Sociologysociology
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Discrimination Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Discrimination, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Discrimination on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DiscriminationWikipedia:WikiProject DiscriminationTemplate:WikiProject DiscriminationDiscrimination
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.

Human rights Top‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Human rights, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Human rights on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Human rightsWikipedia:WikiProject Human rightsTemplate:WikiProject Human rightsHuman rights
Top	This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.

Indigenous peoples of North America Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Native Americans, Indigenous peoples in Canada, and related indigenous peoples of North America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Indigenous peoples of North AmericaWikipedia:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North AmericaTemplate:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North AmericaIndigenous peoples of North America
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Endangered languages (inactive)

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Endangered languages, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.Endangered languagesWikipedia:WikiProject Endangered languagesTemplate:WikiProject Endangered languagesEndangered languages

Culture Mid‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Culture, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of culture on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CultureWikipedia:WikiProject CultureTemplate:WikiProject Cultureculture
Mid	This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Merge with Ethnocide

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result of this discussion Oppose. HudecEmil (talk) 22:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I read this page and Ethnocide, and it seems that these concepts are extremely similar, or even identical. I guess it would be better to merge them. Probably into this page, since it has much more content and more incoming links from articles (1100 vs. 850). The merged page should probably explain the similarities and differences (if there are any) between the concepts.

A similar merge proposal was discussed in 2014/2015, but the discussion was archived without reaching a consensus, as far as I can tell. — Chrisahn (talk) 10:23, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found an even older merge discussion (2007-2010) which remained unresolved. Lack of consensus mentioned here. — Chrisahn (talk) 10:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree, since ethnicity and culture are not identical HudecEmil (talk) 19:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but that's not the point. Please read the (attempted) definitions of Ethnocide and Cultural genocide. There appears to be no discernible difference. If you can find a difference in these definitions, please explain it. — Chrisahn (talk) 19:23, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This source Hall, Thomas D., and James V. Fenelon. "The futures of indigenous peoples: 9-11 and the trajectory of indigenous survival and resistance." journal of world-systems research (2004): 153-197. argues a distinction between cultural genocide and ethnocide: a separate ethnic identity stays, but distinct culture eliminated. Also discussed in The SAGE Handbook of Nations and Nationalism "The term 'ethnocide' has in the past been used as a replacement for cultural genocide (Palmer 1992; Smith 1991:30-3), with the obvious risk of confusing ethnicity and culture." Though it seems to me both articles could be clearer on the distinction. HudecEmil (talk) 20:19, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Cultural Genocide is a real term used by academia to define the destruction of the cultural and religious beliefs of Indigenous people. "Kill the Indian, not the man" became a rallying cry for the assimilation of Indigenous people. By destroying their culture, their language, and removing them from the land their cultural beliefs were built upon the thought is they will be more readily converted to the colonialists views and assimilated into the colonialist society, those that survived the genocide attempts anyway. Later eugenics programs in the US would be classified as ethnocide as it was attempts to remove the Indigenous blood lines by sterilization of Indigenous women and the encouragement of mixed relations to purge the "Indian" blood. By merging it into ethnocide we will diminish the visibility of this distinct term. --ARose Wolf 13:02, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Cultural genocide is a specific term which is especially used in Canada to describe the practice of the Canadian federal government and the Indian residential boarding schools. Yuchitown (talk) 14:18, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.