Talk:Dennis Bergkamp

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In main menu its written that he scored only 94 goals for Arsenal why does he have a ARSENAL Centurion video for scoring 100 goals? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.212.113.16 (talk) 15:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Fear of flying

About this, I believe I remember having heard that both his parents were killed in a plane crash. Can anyone confirm this? Seems like something that should go into the section on his aviophobia. Mortene 08:53, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

It's not true, as a quick Google will confirm. Qwghlm 11:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

His aviophobia I think stems from a bad flying experience (emergency landing or similar) suffered whilst playing abroad, I think on international duty. It should be noted that early in his career he was prepared to fly (just as well when playing for Inter, whose fans may well not have been quite so understanding as dutch and arsenal supporters).81.157.183.220 19:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Mortene's story (happily) is not true. The truth as far as I know is: during the '94 World Cup the Holland team between matches made a stop at an airport somewhere in the south of the US, I think it was Texas. A Dutch sports journalist jokingly remarked to a member of the crew there was a bomb on board. You can guess the result: the police came and turned the whole plane inside out, the Dutch team had to wait outside in the burning sun whilst this was happening. That probably caused his aviophobia. --Maarten1963 00:07, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Aviophobia is maybe a misnomer. Bergkamp does admit he doesn't like flying, and as such avoids it, but to say that he has a phobia (that he has serious panicky spell during flights) is not true. His adversion to flying is not excessive or unreasonable, it is perfectly natural (everyone feels dread to some degree) but he just doesn't enjoy the possibility of dying thousands of feet from the ground, even if that possibility is admittedly slim. Mandel 13:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

In light of his recent retirement, I've just changed the "aviophobia" section to the past tense. "An anxiety disorder characterized by extreme and irrational fear of situations" - I don't think that it really extends to that, does it? Perhaps the heading should be softened to "Fear of flying" rather than an outright "phobia". Cyril Washbrook 07:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Just read this article, sheds some light on his fear and how to deal with it.

""Monday, February 06, 2006 hopes to cure fear by quitting his job The retirement plan is to fly into anonymityBy Matt Dickinson DENNIS BERGKAMP BELIEVES THAT retiring from football could cure his fear of flying. The Dutchman has not boarded a plane for more than a decade, missing dozens of important matches, but he hopes that he can conquer his pteromerhanophobia once he is freed from the pressure to board team flights. “Hopefully I can do it in a quiet way and that will take away some of the fear,” he said. “Being in the public eye is part of it. It will be interesting to see how it feels in a year or two’s time.” His phobia became so bad during his unhappy spell at Inter Milan that he was dreading the flight home during away matches in Europe. “Days before a flight I was thinking about it and getting really, really nervous physically,” he said. “Shaking and stuff. Then during the game I would be thinking already of flying home. So then it starts to affect your football and that is when I said, ‘No more.’ I had been doing it, but I was not happy at all. NI_MPU('middle'); “It came during my career, so I always thought I would address it after my career. Maybe this is the opportunity to address the problem without the pressure that you have to be at this game or that.” Success would allow Bergkamp to fulfil plans to travel to Africa, although his first post-retirement holiday is more likely to be in Cornwall. A father of four, he wants to spend some time exploring the country where he has set up home for almost 11 years. Bergkamp is eligible for a fast-track coaching course in the Netherlands, starting in September, but he has no plans to stay in football. “The only thing I like about football is playing the game,” he said. “I can’t imagine working all hours as a manager although you have to be careful because Marco van Basten said exactly the same. He disappeared for a few years but then came back to manage Holland. “A lot of people tell me with my vision, my way of playing, it would be a shame if that is lost even if I was just working with kids. That is the only thing that has crossed my mind but, next year, I want to get away from everything.” "" SED

I read a while back in a newspaper in Albania, where I'm from, that when Bergkamp was playing for the Ajax reserves, one time his team had to travel on a plane for an away game, but Bergkamp couldn't go because he was sick, had the flu I think. The plane crashed and everyone on the plane died. I've always thought this story was true until now. I'm not sure if this is the reason but this is what I've know for about 10 years now.

What I wrote above is partially true and I found this site where they explain why he is afraid to fly. "Bergkamp's fear of flying was also triggered in the US. A jornalist repored a false bomb threat on the plane which the Ducth team was on, and caused a panic. This incident reminded Bergkamp of an plane crash which killed many Surinamese-Dutch players when they flied to Surinam. After that Bergkamp decided not to fly again." http://www.bergkamp.faithweb.com/holland.html

I vividly remember during USA 94, due to the enormous size of the country(USA) teams had to travel long distances to play matches. The Team Coaches used to halt for breaks during the long rides. On one such occasion when the Dutch team were travelling, the journey was a bit too close for comfort. Bergkamp felt uneasy, got down from the bus & started taking walks to feel comfortable. For the rest of World Cup 94, the bus used to always stop & Bergkamp used to take walks! I know it seems absurd. Can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filterkaapi (talk • contribs) 10:31, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Testimonial

Although now retired from playing football, Bergkamp is having a testimonial game against Ajax which has provisionally been planned for July 22nd 2006. It will be the first game played at Arsenal's new Emirates Stadium. See http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=379251 Is this worth a mention in the article? 10 July 2006 (UTC)ÐÁŅ

I would say so, that's why it's there, just above the Netherlands section.  SLUMGUM  yap  stalk  03:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I think there should be a mention on the actual testimonial session of the players involved. There ain't many players in the world that could have Johan Cruyff and Marco van Basten among many other stars playing in their testimonial. Everytime I put the list on, someone is there to remove it. 28 July 2006

Would like to move the part about Hoddle in the testimonial match to somewhere else. As it seems not quite related. --Vivianwkli 13:57, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Support Striker?

Since the article already says that he primarily played hole, should his position be corrected to "Support striker" or "hole"? Something similar has been done on the Franz Beckenbauer article, naming him as a sweeper. Partipo 05:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)partipo

Agreed. Go ahead. ChaChaFut 05:45, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

98 goal against argentina

The article states he did a nutmeg on Ayala but Ayala's foot was in the air and the ball only bounced under his foot (that's what I saw at least) that's not a nutmeg.ErnestC 14:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Quotes on Marc Overmars

Would it be wise to remove the quote "Overmars was highly criticized during his years at Arsenal for "his seeming unwillingness to pass to anyone other than compatriot Dennis Bergkamp." [9]". As it seems not quite related somewhat.

Vivianwkli (talk) 06:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Goal of the Month

If my memory serves me correctly, when Bergkamp won 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Match of the Day's Goal of the Month competition in August 1997, it was not for his hat trick against Leicester City (27/08/97). I believe he won 1st place for his final goal in that game, 2nd place for the opener and 3rd place for one of the two goals he scored against Southampton at the Dell (23/08/97). Perhaps, if someone could confirm this, the line "for a hat trick against Leicester City" could be deleted.--JayGee134 (talk) 12:52, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm almost sure you are correct in this. Both goals he scored against Southampton were far superior to his slightly scrappy 2nd goal against Leicester. I've seen this error repeated all over the internet - it needs to be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.204.163.50 (talk) 08:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

You need to provide some sourcing for that though, not just a subjective opinion. Minkythecat (talk) 08:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's a video of the goal of the month competition (not the results) that shows that the 3 hatrick goals were not actually in the competition... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NlHVNsPHKE tanc (talk) 23:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Most assits ever?

At the end of the arsenal section it says "Bergkamp scored 120 goals for Arsenal in 424 appearances, and set up a further 166 goals in his Arsenal career. This makes him the top assist maker in Premier League history". However the BBC link does not state that he is all-time premier league top assist maker. Ryan Giggs article on wiki makes the same claim for him, and upon further investigation it would seem that other sources put Bergkamp in second place, behind Giggs.

such as: http://www.premiersoccerstats.com/Records.cfm?DOrderby=OPAss&DYearby=All%20Seasons

A change in the text perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.118.49.48 (talk) 13:30, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

His Assists.

Someone should put up all his assists from every season if possible, because that is what his whole game was about, can't believe no one has done that already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.255.193.90 (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I will add it in, I have the stats and the sources. Renoog (talk) 06:35, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Honours

Why did his considerably biggest successes as Netherlands' national team player - double Euro bronze medal (92&00) - remain immentioned, unlike fourth place at 1998 World Cup? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.143.166.36 (talk) 19:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

League appearances

I notice that in reverting the assists edit you also reverted the league appearances edit as well. In the BBC article that's linked to this wiki (Dennis Bergkamp's career in football) it clearly states that he made 315 league appearances, and from checking ESPN and various other websites it seems that the extra apperance has been added to the 04/05 campaign (this article stated that he made 30 appearances but in actual fact it was 20 starts + 9 subs, so 29 in total).

In addition, the total apps per season have been added up incorrectly (in some cases it's less than the sum of each part). This information is easily retrievable from the BBC, ESPN, premiersoccerstats etc. The official Arsenal website itself states that he made 423 appearances. With your permission I'd like to correct the totals. Thanks Renoog (talk) 18:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

YTMND fad

Should his popularity on YTMND.com be mentioned?

http://wiki.ytmnd.com/Dennis_Bergkamp

International goals inaccuracy

The (International goals) section mentions that Bergkamp scored in EURO 96 against Canada which is impossible as Canada is not a european country . In fact Bergkamp scored against Switzerland . And also it mentions that he scored in World Cup 98 also against Canada which never happenned as Canada never participated in that Mondial . He scored the mentioned goal against Yoguslavia (Serbia & Montenegro). Please correct it . 217.55.1.245 (talk) 19:53, 27 January 2012 (UTC)Dr.Ayman

•  Done Thank you for pointing that out. Lemonade51 (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Wrong spelling of name.

I believe that Mr.Bergkamps christian name is spelt wih only 1 n. Denis Bergkamp.

Not done: In the article Denis Law, "Dutch authorities refused to recognise the name unless it was spelt with two n's as they felt it was otherwise too similar to the female name Denise." -- Lemonade51 (talk) 18:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

What is the source on that? and thats a differen thing from this page . OSE...?Lihaas (talk) 00:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

It's quite clearly sourced in this article. "To comply with Dutch given name customs, an extra 'n' was inserted in Bergkamp's first name by his father after it was not accepted by the registrar" -- Lemonade51 (talk) 12:02, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

In this Dutch article the story with the registrar is refuted, and it presents the real story, which is that his older brothers wanted him to be named Dennis and not Denis. IGeography (talk) 01:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Goal numbers for Arsenal

Hi everyone, I'd just like to draw your attention to this comment made by an IP at the Village Pump, which disputes the accuracy of the number of goals that we say Bergkamp scored for Arsenal. — Mr. Stradivarius ^♫ 08:43, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Have answered, thank you. -- Lemonade51 (talk) 10:14, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Dennis Bergkamp/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Batard0 (talk · contribs) 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll pick this up. First impression is that it looks pretty close to GA. It's well-referenced, it's comprehensive without going into unnecessary detail, and the prose is generally good. I'll go in for a more careful look - I think there will be some minor issues with the prose in spots - but first let me know you're ready to take questions.--Batard0 (talk) 06:55, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

First take:

This generally looks good. Just a few suggestions to begin with to improve the prose:

• The second sentence of the lead is structured somewhat confusingly. I would consider a slight rephrasing to something that flows better, for example: "He started as a wide midfielder and subsequently became a main striker, but he spent most of his career as a second striker." Or something like: "Originally a wide midfielder, he was moved to main striker and then to second striker, where he remained throughout his playing career."

Used the latter sentence.

• I'm going through and making some minor edits for clarity and conciseness. Please have a look and discuss if you disagree with them.

No problems, thank you for thoroughly looking over the article's prose.

• Is there a reason Non-Flying Dutchman is in bold in the lead? I think it ought to be in quotations instead, unless there are compelling reasons otherwise. I believe WP:Lead allows significant alternative titles to be bolded, but I think that only applies to the first sentence.--Batard0 (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Will remove bolding, have placed quotation marks and removed citation as the origin of the nickname is expanded in the main body, which is cited.

• The article's in good shape, really. I've made a thorough look through it, and I have cleaned up the prose in places. I didn't change anything in a significant way; I only fixed grammatical errors and edited out a few inessential words for conciseness's sake. I think if we can get the aforementioned things addressed we'll be good.--Batard0 (talk) 18:17, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

• The images are all appropriate and in commons, and the refs look good too. Well done.--Batard0 (talk) 18:19, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing the article. Lemonade51 (talk) 18:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

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   The prose is clear and concise, and lacks grammatical and spelling errors.

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   Refs are all there, and are good.

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   Citations are provided where needed.

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   No OR here.

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   A. Major aspects:

   It covers all the major aspects.

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   It's focused without going into unnecessary detail.

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Height

There is a bit of inconsistency with his height over the years. Many of his personal sites and bios have said 1.83m, while everything else says 1.88m. He certainly looked more like 1.88m so I think wikipedia has the coreect one, but why did Arsenal and Bergkamp himself list two inches shorter. Maybe he just didn't really know or care?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.4.25 (talk) 21:32, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Arsenal to unveil Dennis Bergkamp statue

Given the officially confirmed reports regarding a statue being created and erected at the Emirates Stadium to commemorate the Dutch striker’s huge contribution to Arsenal shouldn't this article be edited, or a section created, to reflect this?

The most reputable and credible source for this news must be from the Arsenal website:

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/arsenal-to-unveil-dennis-bergkamp-statue

I am relatively new to the Wikipedia community and therefore do not wish to make any amendments to this article before seeking advice from the wider community. In addition I apologise if this topic has already been discussed although I have already checked and have yet to find a similar discussion within this talk page. Cmhardi1 (talk) 17:15, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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Fairly comprehensive - hasn't entered the good article nomination process so can't go any higher than B-Class.

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Goals in Coppa Italia with Inter in the 1993–94 season

Bergkamp didn't score 9 goals in the 1993–94 Coppa Italia while playing for Inter; according to this RSSSF source he only scored 2 goals, while according to this other RSSSF source, it was Sampdoria's Attilio Lombardo who was the top-scorer of the tournament with 5 goals that season. This source also confirms that he only scored 2 goals in 6 appearances in the tournament, not 9 goals in 13 appearances. I will correct this erroneous information which is currently in his statistics table. Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:47, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Arsenal Section

From the Arsenal section, Quote 'Wenger, who had moderate success coaching in France and Japan, recognised Bergkamp's talent and wanted to use him as a fulcrum of the team's forward play.' Not really Arsene Wenger won the French league in 1987 with Monaco. Also, his 2 years in Japan before joining Arsenal he did have significant success (Quote from wiki article on Arsene Wenger) 'Wenger's methods had the desired effect – Nagoya won 17 of their following 27 games to finish runners-up in 1995.[81] He shortly received the J. League Manager of the Year award for 1995, while Stojković claimed the player's honour.[82] In January 1996, Wenger guided the club to their first piece of silverware as Nagoya defeated Sanfrecce Hiroshima to win the Emperor's Cup.' Hence, I suggest rewording the sentence about Arsene Wenger to 'Wenger, who had been a successful manager in France and Japan, recognised Bergkamp's talent and wanted to use him as a fulcrum of the team's forward play' Suksane (talk) 08:07, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Suksane

@Suksane: Agreed. I have made the change. Thank you! Robby.is.on (talk) 08:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

While investigating the above issue, I checked the Guardian article (link) used for a couple of sentences. I got the impression that it didn't really support the claims made, specifically:

• "The appointment of Arsène Wenger as Arsenal manager in September 1996 marked a turning point in Bergkamp's career." - Didn't find anything in the Guardian article supporting this.
• "Wenger […] recognised Bergkamp's talent and wanted to use him as a fulcrum of the team's forward play." - Didn't find anything in the Guardian article supporting this.
• "Both were advocates of a continental style of attacking football" - Guardian article has something similar: "Bergkamp linked up with Wenger, a manager who shares his creative ideal - elegance fused with efficiency.", but no mention of "continental".
• "Wenger's decision to impose a strict fitness and health regimen pleased Bergkamp." Didn't find anything in the Guardian article supporting this.

@Lemonade51:, you added the Guardian article in December 2011 (link) and May 2012 (link). Could you shed some light? Robby.is.on (talk) 08:43, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

What about this article from footbal.london https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/dennis-bergkamp-opens-up-doubts-18344729 ? The author is David Byrom, a highly respected ex-player and football columnist. Quote from Bergkamp in the above article - "There were some doubts in my mind but they were soon taken away when Arsene came in because he was the one who had a philosophy that suited my philosophy, it was the same.

"His philosophy suited my game and therefore there were no doubts once he took over.

"There was a good understanding and from day one we knew what we expected from each other and that's why it worked."

Suksane (talk) 12:17, 4 August 2021 (UTC) Suksane

@Suksane: Nice find. Could you clarify how you think we could use the Byrom article and the Bergkamp quotes from it? Robby.is.on (talk) 14:28, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

What about re-wording these two sentences - 'Wenger, who had been a successful manager in France and Japan, recognised Bergkamp's talent and wanted to use him as a fulcrum of the team's forward play. Both were advocates of a continental style of attacking football, and Wenger's decision to impose a strict fitness and health regimen pleased Bergkamp. ' to something like - 'Wenger, who had been a successful manager in France and Japan had almost the same footballing philosophy as the talented Dutchman. Both had an excellent understanding and hence their partnership clicked from the very beginning.' We can cite the Byrom article as a reference

Suksane (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)Suksane Suksane (talk) 16:11, 10 August 2021 (UTC) Hi @Robby.is.on what do you think?

Wrong spelling of name

The story about his father wanting to name him Denis after Scottish striker Denis Law, but having the name rejected by a registrar is completely false. This article (in Dutch) says the actual story is revealed in his biography Dennis Bergkamp written by Jaap Visser and David Winner. It was his older brothers who wanted him to be named Dennis instead of Denis. IGeography (talk) 01:20, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Introduction

I think the introduction should say what age he made his professional debut. It could also say that over following years he established himself in the first team helping the club to win trophies. Firestar47 (talk) 17:42, 17 January 2024 (UTC)