Talk:Downtown Cincinnati

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The figures in the infobox (and population table) for the land area and population of the district refer to which boundaries? This is not made clear anywhere in the article. The "Urban Basin" is mentioned a few times, but that's obviously a much larger definition than is the subject of the article. The current boundaries which are used for the figures need to be added - even just generally - in either the opening paragraph, but especially the "Geography" section. Criticalthinker (talk) 09:45, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears that there has been a conflation of the colloquial meaning of "downtown" - that being the land within the urban basin - with the official, administrative meaning of "downtown" - that being the neighborhood designation defined by the city government (which is reflected in the city's neighborhood approximation and the police's data map). I would support refocusing this article on the official neighborhood designation, as the "urban basin" refers to multiple neighborhoods - Over-the-Rhine, Pendleton, West End, and Queensgate - all of which already have their own separate articles.

The 2020 population statistics in the infobox and Demographics section are within the official, administrative designation. I have no clue where the area statistic or the historical population table (of everything before 2020) came from, so it's unclear whether those numbers are for the colloquial meaning or the administrative definition. However, I have removed an informal map of the "urban basin" before writing this reply, as a start to the refocusing process. Panian513 16:58, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I should have looked a bit more into the sourcing before posting this. The first source has a map and shows what I thought: that the official statistical neighborhood is composed of full Census Tracts and some Census Block Groups from other tracts, and the boundaries are fairly straight-foward. So someone with local understanding of the cardinal directions can add the boundaries in the "Geography" section, which appear to mostly be streets. Criticalthinker (talk) 08:08, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the definition of Downtown and its boundaries to the Geography section, citing the map within the 2020 Statistical Neighborhood Approximation. The map found in the infobox (and all of the infoboxes of all Cincinnati neighborhood articles) will need to be replaced with an updated map. I've been meaning to create an updated map when I have free time - these maps are based off of a map uploaded to the WikiMedia Commons in 2008, and thus include outdated information, as several boundaries have been redefined, O'Bryonville is no longer considered a seperate neighborhood (having been absorbed by Evanston), and a couple of neighborhoods were renamed. Panian513 17:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where can we find maps of the statistical neighborhoods? I used this website (https://cagis.hamilton-co.org/cagisonline/), but it appears only to show the name labels for the neighborhoods and not the boundaries. Criticalthinker (talk) 06:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The city government keeps a list of 2020 statistical neighborhood approximations, with each neighborhood approximation document having an individual map of the neighborhood and its immediate surroundings. At the very top of the list is a citywide document, which has a map of all of the neighborhoods, and also shows all of the changes made to the borders made during the 2020 census by highlighting the changes in red. Additionally, there's an interactive map at the top of the city's crime report dashboard that appears to be identical to these statistical approximation maps.

I will note that the red highlights in the 2020 citywide document don't show all of the necessary changes that will be need to be done to the Wikimedia map, as it was made in 2008, so there are changes that were made in the 2010 census aren't highlighted. For example, one major change that I've noticed that must've happened in 2010 was that the large eastern chunk of East End containing Luken Airport was transferred to Linwood. Panian513 17:07, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]