Talk:Estes Kefauver

When did Kefauver become a congressman?

The article says Kefauver was elected to the third district seat in Congress in 1938. But the article on his predecessor in that seat, McReynolds, says McReynolds held the seat from 1923-03-04 until his death on 1939-07-11. How reconcile these statements? Jm546 00:27, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

McReynolds did indeed die in 1939; Kefauver replaced him in a special election. The first regular election he won was in 1940. For all I know, it's the norm to refer to tenures in congressional office by the term in which the congressman served, that is K. was in the congress that met 1938-1940. But it would be better to be clear on the point.

I notice that there's no mention in the article of the rather silly Senate investigation by the "Kefauver Committee" into the connection between "juvenile delinquency" and comic books. (The plague of "juvenile delinquency" was itself a phantasm, and unremarkably therefore the Kefauver committee wasn't able to detect any connection between things like crime comics, Tales from the Crypt, and so on (even Mad Magazine, for heaven's sake!) and the imaginary outbreak of juvenile delinquency.) Maybe it's just as well. Alsihler 20:13, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Kefauver's Censorship

Conspicuously absent from the article on Kefauver are the Kefauver hearings which led to the dismantling of Irving Klaw's photography business. Klaw's business sold "racy" pictures which actually weren't even pornographic-his models, including Bettie Page had to wear two layers of underwear to ensure that he wasn't breaking the (stupid) law. As far as I know it isn't illegal to wear lingerie and it's blatantly censorship to argue that photos of a legal act should be illegal. And the Democrat's claim that they are the one's protecting the bill of rights...a former vice presidential candidate tried to ban photos of girls in underwear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.116.30.24 (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

While it may well be worth including this in the Kefauver article, it seems you want to include them mainly to score partisan points which is hardly the point of wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.139.216 (talk) 18:59, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

'Communist control bill'

The 1952 election section contains this sentence, which strikes me as needing further explanation: "During the interim between his two presidential races, in the middle of a campaign for reelection to the Senate, Kefauver took the most courageous stand of his career in 1954, casting the sole Senate vote against a politically inspired Communist control bill." What does this mean? What is a 'politically inspired Communist control bill', and why was Kefauver the sole Senator to vote against it? This sounds like a POV claim to me, and badly needs a citation to explain it. Robofish (talk) 23:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

won 12 of 15 primaries?

sources credit him with winning 14 of the 17 Preference primaries that year. Including W Virginia, which is shown as a Harriman win on the map. Harriman won D C (which isn't even listed as having a primary on this thing), not West Virginia. Don't know which state was the 14th though( maybe Alabama?), so what to do with the map?Ezra c v mildew desire Jr (talk) 23:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC) That is 14 of the 17 he entered.(He sat out MN)Ezra c v mildew desire Jr (talk) 03:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Since I posted this above(under another now dormant name) The map has been changed and the history of this change has been altered to make it look like the page was changed before my post instead of months after. This can be confirmed through the Way-back machine. Who did this, and why? Are there no rules here? The new map is wrong as well. West Virginia delegates were uncommitted under the rules of the 1952 primary regardless of who won. In addition, the delegates were, obviously, picked in the DELEGATE selection process, NOT in the preference vote. Vladimir tsarejamewitz (talk) 04:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

As mentioned at ANI, you appear to be mistaken. It sounds like you're referring to File:1952DemocraticPresidentialPrimaries.svg. The map was changed on February 2013 which amongst other things, added DC. So the history is indeed there, you're simply confused as to where to look. Looking at the page history will tell you when a map or other image or a template was added or remove, but it wouldn't tell you anything about what the image or template looked like at the time. You'd need to check the individual history for that. Nil Einne (talk) 15:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

I did check the individual page histories, did you? DC was (according to the altered page history here) was ALREADY changed in May of 2012. And as I said, this is not what the page actually said at that time, as shown by the internet way-back machine. Vladimir tsarejamewitz (talk) 16:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

The map was changed in May 2013, as you can see by clicking to File:1952DemocraticPresidentialPrimaries.svg and looking at the history. The page history won't tell you when an image was changed, since the image is merely hotlinked from the page and not actually part of the page itself. No one here is making fun of you or thinking less of you for missing that, but if you keep insisting that you could not possibly have made an innocent mistake like that and that all of the other people posting here are in a conspiracy to hide the information, you won't get anywhere and even any legitimate errors you point out are probably going to be looked at less than seriously. —Soap— 00:59, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes when I said you have to check out the individual histories I meant you have to check the individual histories for the images and templates. As I already said, the history of the page, which I did check but also know is irrelevant, will only tell you what image or templates were used at the time (and when they were added or removed from the page if you check the diffs or compare the different source yourself). But they won't tell you what the images and templates looked like at the time which is why you need to check the individual histories of the images and templates.

In other words, if you know how to read the history, it's that around the time you posted the first time, the above image was in the article and it looked like the mostly green map without DC not the mostly yellow map with DC. No one has messed with the history nor should anyone who understands the page history think DC was in the map when you first posted. And no one is laughing at you for being confused since the way the history works can be confusing to newcomers. But the fact remains you were incorrect about the histories being messed with so you need to accept that. Feel free to ask questions if you remain confused although I agree with Soap that your comments thus far have not been particularly conducive to getting people to help you. Remember that while we all should want to improve wikipedia, and we're greatful for anyone trying to help, we're also nearly all volunteers.

P.S. Unless I'm somehow completely confused, the map was changed in February 2013 as I mentioned the first time, not May 2013 as Soap said. I think they probably remembered wrong or something. Of course either way, it's clear the map was the primarily green version in December 2012 which is what you would have seen.

Nil Einne (talk) 12:53, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Strange terms

"being initiated into the Lambda Chapter of the Kappa Sigma Fraternity"

What does the above mean? Is it a reference to some sort of secret society or cult? It sounds as if it might pertain to something like Satanism or witchcraft, or, possibly, be something to do with a branch of the Hell's Angels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.111.161 (talk) 07:33, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I looked into it -- the Lambda Chapter is the University of Tennessee's affiliate of Kappa Sigma. Each chapter of the fraternity has its own Greek name -- Alpha-Lambda for the University of Vermont, Delta-Zeta for the University of New Mexico, Tau for the University of Texas at Austin, etc. I updated the article on Kefauver to remove the name of the chapter and leave the name of the fraternity. Billmckern (talk) 17:01, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Campaign against Bettie Page

Kefauver run a massive campaign against Bettie Page in the 1950s. He finally forced her producer Irving Klaw to destroy all negatives he owned. This de facto ended her life as a famous modell.91.39.113.125 (talk) 13:17, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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