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Why "[[DeWitt Clinton|De Witt Clinton]]"? Is the name "De Witt Clinton" the correct one? If so, shouldn't DeWitt Clinton be moved? -- Oliver P. 16:16, 19 Aug 2003 (UTC)

because DeWitt and George are two different people, nephew and uncle respectively?

Who is 'Cato'

Entries under 'Cato' (anti-federalist author) point to George Clinton as 'widely believed' to be the author of those papers. Meanwhile, I find reference on the web to Rev. William Smith, prominant Tory Philadelphian as the author of the letters signed 'Cato' to which Thomas Paine responded under the pen name, 'Forrester' in his defense of 'Common Sense.' I know of no evidence for either of these attributions. Could someone provide a few words of clarification? Perhaps another entry on the 'Cato' disambiguation page?

Herbert Storing is the main scholar who points to Clinton as Cato; others, including Albert Furtwangler and Linda De Pauw have disputed that attribution. I've noted the attribution of the Clinton-Cato connection in the article. I don't know of the William Smith claim, but I will look into it when I write the articles for the anti-federalists. Christopher Parham (talk) 07:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3rd Governor??

New York numbers its Governors via 'individual', not via 'office tenure'. Clinton was 'never' the 3rd Governor of New York. GoodDay (talk) 16:33, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page name

This page was moved to 'Vice President George Clinton' and I then moved it back. If anyone thinks it should be named differently, then let's discuss it here please. --AndrewHowse (talk) 03:47, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forefather of?

So is this guy a forefather to the present Clintons (Bill) or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkruijff (talk • contribs) 09:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I second the request. Is Bill Clinton related to George Clinton? 72.67.35.97 (talk)

No blood relation. Bill Clinton was born William Jefferson Blythe III (www.wikipedia.org/bill_clinton) As if he were related to WJB3's (aka Bill Clinton's) stepfather, that is an open question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.105.72.67 (talk) 21:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The real question is whether he's related to his modern namesake, the Prime Minister of that most funky of Parliaments. 174.93.71.42 (talk) 16:09, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Calendar

We show Washington, Jefferson et al with their Gregorian calendar birth dates, even though were born before 1752 when the calendar changed. I believe we should do the same for George Clinton and other V-Ps born before 1752, but I can't find any info on whether "26 July 1739" is a Julian date or a Gregorian date. Any ideas? -- JackofOz (talk) 12:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This says it's an Old Style date (which would equate to 6 August 1739 in the current Gregorian calendar). I don't doubt that, but we certainly couldn't use Answers.com as a reliable source.

I'm always surprised when I come across a lack of information of this sort. We seem to convert the dates for some people, but not for others. Very inconsistent. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:15, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Historically Unique?

Is George Clinton the only VP to serve under 2 different Presidents?

Any other VP serve under 2 Presidents?

Did any other VP serve under 2 Presidents?

John C. Calhoun Jjmillerhistorian (talk) 17:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sentence near end of Governor section makes no sense

In the last paragraph of the section titled "Governor", there is a sentence which reads:

"However, New York did not then go to was to overthrow the government of Vermont."

I can only guess to the author's meaning of this sentence, as I tried to find information anywhere else regarding whether or not New York tried to overthrow the government of Vermont in 1784, a time when their representatives to congress were angrily calling for Vermont to made part of New York and threatening military force (according to this article, but I can't find any detail about that threat during that time, and it's not cited, so I have no original source to clear up the meaning of the sentence, either). So I don't want to edit it to be more legible because I just don't know what happened.

Clearly though, it makes no sense and one cannot tell what it truly means, though it leans toward the fact that George Clinton, acting as Governor, did not then go to using military force to try and overthrow Vermont's government and if he did he failed. I'd love it if someone knows the history on this or can find it somewhere so we can clean this up. I know it's not terribly important to the article, but having a sentence like that on a page irks me as I'm sure it does many of you. Just want us to look good, of course, and be accurate.

Thanks for anyone who can help with this! Heimdallen (talk) 09:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Update 4/2/2016 - Thank you very much for fixing that incoherent sentence on 3/20/2016, you edited it without logging in so I can't thank you by name, but I appreciate someone addressing it who knew the right information to fix it.

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) Yashovardhan (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

George Clinton (vice president) → George Clinton (politician) – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here. GoodDay (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as there's no other article named George Clinton (politician), why not? It's common practice on Wikipedia to use Name (politician) to distinguish individual articles. GoodDay (talk) 12:21, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Does it really improve the article in any way, isn't he mostly known for being the vice president ? Unibond (talk) 14:39, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, he's probably better known as the first Governor of New York. GoodDay (talk) 15:42, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The George Clinton page lists countless George Clintons who were politicians, and several from New York like this George Clinton. Vice President is probably the best we're gonna get. Nohomersryan (talk) 20:03, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Nohomersryan. A number of other political figures have been named "George Clinton", with disambiguations ranging from middle names, initials or generational suffixes. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 06:50, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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George Clinton (1739–1812) was an American soldier and statesman, considered one of the Founding Fathers of the United States. He served 21 years as Governor of New York (1777–1795 and 1801–1804), the longest by any state's governor until Terry Branstad surpassed his record in 2015. A prominent Democratic-Republican, Clinton was tapped as the party's vice-presidential nominee in the 1804 and 1808 elections. He served as the fourth vice president of the United States from 1805 until his death in 1812, under both Thomas Jefferson and James Madison. He and John C. Calhoun have been the only vice presidents to hold office under two different presidents.Painting: Ezra Ames

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Fourth VP link

@GoodDay:, I noticed you changed

"fourth Vice President of the United States" ([[List of Vice Presidents of the United States|fourth Vice President of the United States]]) into

"fourth Vice President of the United States" (fourth [[Vice President of the United States]]).

I believe I've seen this pattern of linking the ordinal number to the list relatively frequently in lists and article ledes, and I find it a nice pattern. I'd prefer to have both links, though not enough to overcome my aversion to a MOS:SEAOFBLUE. But I'm inclined to think that the list is slightly more specific (see MOS:SPECIFICLINK). Anyway, I'd appreciate your thoughts about linking ordinals to lists in general. I don't feel strongly about this, mostly interested in having someone else's point of view inform my own ideas. Thoughts?? YBG (talk) 15:49, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I made the change because it had already been done on a few of the intros to US Presidents & Vice Presidents bios. Am trying for consistency. I believe @Drdpw: & @Surtsicna: would be interested in this discussion. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency is a very persuasive argument for me. Any idea which form was more frequent before these recent changes? The consistency argument does not determine which is preferable, and certainly does not trump any WP:MOS arguments or consensus. But consistency by itself would look to the status quo before these changes. If the majority linked the ordinal to the list, these changes should be reverted. But if the majority linked the office to the main article, then these changes should be propagated to all articles. YBG (talk) 17:56, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For years, they linked to the main office. Last year, somebody complained that we already had office links in the infobox & so they came up with the 'link to List' idea for the article intros. GoodDay (talk) 20:27, 19 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American slave owners

No mention of slave-owning. I feel that this category should be restricted to people whose slave-owning history was notable in itself. Valetude (talk) 12:51, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Valetude a counter-point, if I may? A person having owned slaves is notable as a stand-alone fact. Do you not find enslaving human beings to be a notable thing for a person to have done? Not a rhetorical question. 9t5 (talk) 12:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect Designation of Founding Father

George Clinton did not sign the Declaration of Independence. While he may have advocated for the addition of a Bill of Rights, Clinton did not sign the Bill of Rights. Similarly, he did not participate in the Constitutional Convention of 1787 and therefore did not sign the Constitution. Having served in the Continental Congress during the signing of the Declaration of Independence is a far cry from being what any historian would deem a Founding Father. If you want to challenge my revision removing this designation from Clinton's article, you may do so here. Regards. 9t5 (talk) 12:25, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]