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Interesting - Mark McCloskey accused Fannie Mae of redlining in 1990

A Mark McCloskey of St. Louis represented a developer, Bruce Ring, in 1990, who accused Fannie Mae of denying loans for apartment buildings in black neighborhoods. (Ring is white; even back in 1990 the reporter seemed to note the incongruity of a white plaintiff claiming damages related to redlining.) Lots to unpack here, though it probably shouldn't go in the article due to WP:SYNTH. But worth keeping an eye on in case it gets picked up in the news. Gallagher, Jim (June 20, 1990). "Fannie Mae accused of redlining in black St. Louis neighborhoods". The Washington Times. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 05:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

More sources:

Lokeman, Rhonda Chriss (October 3, 1993). "Buying a home is easier if you happen to be white". The Kansas City Star.
(Judge was Jean C. Hamilton; and there must have been an appeal, given the above news story) "Judge Dismisses Suit That Alleged Redlining". St. Louis Post-Dispatch. October 31, 1991.
(this story referred to Ring's case) Poor, Tim (June 12, 1996). "PROGRAM BOOSTING HOME LOANS FOR THE POOR GETS SLOW START". The St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
Koenig, Robert L.; Todd, Cynthia (March 8, 1991). "Bond Seeks Data On Mortgages To Resolve Redlining Charges". The St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
(A letter from an exec of Fannie Mae) Jeffers, David R. (July 3, 1990). "Rascals And Leaders". The St. Louis Post-Dispatch.