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References and external links

It's probably worth sticking in a reminder that just sticking a link to your website on "External links" is widely regarded as spamming (it's a waste of time anyway as external links are all set to "nofollow" so it won't help your Google ranking at all). Editors need to contribute something useful to the article itself, which can be backed up by a notable and reliable source - this is the appropriate way to add links. And, as in some examples that have crept in here recently, I don't think pages that simply reproduce press releases that were widely distributed qualify as a good enough "reference". As an example, I've added a selection of the Glade 2008 lineup (finally!) and used a page from Ravetalk as a reference - this is because this appears to be the only comprehensive 2008 list available, as last years official Glade site is down (they start afresh each year) and there aren't any mainstream media sources listing the full lineup. I know Ravetalk has been referenced a lot in this article but it is quite a news-orientated site. If anyone thinks other Glade 2008 lists should be added, by all means do so. I'd say the priority in determining which links are best to use for references go in this order: mainstream media (BBC, national newspapers, local newspapers); the official Glade website; other websites with significant links to the festival (LittleBig, Breaksday, inSpiral, Nuskoolbreaks, Ravetalk, FestivalWeather etc). But the guiding principle is: does this add value to the article or is the link being added for promotional reasons? --Archstanton (talk) 18:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two "History" sections!

This needs fixing. The upper section repeats much of the later section. I suggest the later section should be deleted, with only the most important stuff salvaged and moved to the upper section. Also, let's have some of the 2008 acts in! --Mashcore (talk) 00:48, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think it was me who did that; obviously stuff left over from a tidy-up I did. There's far too much superfluous stuff in the article, and I'll have a crack at the whole thing at some point. However, it's half three in the morning now – it's not much of a priority :) Cycle~ (talk) 03:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Glade 2008

Think the article could do with a bit of freshening up, now that the Glade has its five-year licence. Maybe move all the historical stuff (which is interesting and should be retained) to a 'history' section and focus more on this year's event now.? --Mashcore (talk) 20:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A 2008 update is seriously overdue now. Will make some edits this week to bring things up to speed, particularly on things like the five-year licensing deal, reduced capacity, the Liquid controversy, headliners etc. I will use references as far as possible, please add any relevant ones --Mashcore (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK, have attempted a major re-edit, moving the 2007 stuff to a History section and inserting some 2008 developments nearer the beginning. The history section needs polishing up though. --Mashcore (talk) 23:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Security

I deleted the reference to petty crime being caused by "chavs", who the author stated were attracted by drum n bass acts, as no evidence was offered to support these assumptions. Other people have blamed what was in fact a relatively minor crimewave on residents of a nearby travellers' site. I believe this sort of lurid speculation does not belong on Wikipedia. Others may disagree, of course, that's why I've opened a discussion page. --Tyler 21:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I know it would be un-PC and against Wikipedia policy to bare-fecedly allege that increases in crime at the second festival were caused exclusively by chavs. However to many on the ground, including myself, this was rather plain to see - A friend in a neighbouring tent to mine confronted one such person who was rifling through our things. The person turned around to him, exposed himself, swore at our friend and then ran off!

Perhaps if a consensus of other readers can be reached that this was the case (ie post here if you had a similar experience), and the corresponding edit to the article is worded so that it is of a neutral POV (for example "some festival-goers have alleged...") then we would be justified in re-adding some of this information? --Arawn c 21:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Arawn, all fair points, our group had our tents rifled through ourselves, although I don't think anything valuable was taken, we generally carried anything worth nicking with us or left it at the lock-up. The thing is that anything like that has to be sourced. Wikipedia policy is "no original research", i.e. everything has to be verifiable from another source rather than first-hand accounts. So if you can find a quote in the local rag or one of the nationals, fine. Otherwise it's just hearsay and not really very encyclopedic. --Archstanton 21:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glade 2004 and previous Glastonbury events

There is very little mention in the article of the first Glade Festival in 2004, which I think is a shame because in my opinion the first event was better (yes that is entirely POV so I won't be adding it to the article!). Can anyone else actually remember enough about the first event to write a bit about it?...I'm struggling to remember anything apart from being very wasted.

It would also be interesting to see some information about the Glade Stage, including lineups, from previous Glastonbury festivals...--Arawn c 21:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Glade Stage is part of the Glastonbury Festival and info on that should go there IMO --Archstanton 21:40, 2 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Line-up

Think it would be a good idea to list the full line-ups for 2004 and 2005. Anyone know where to find them? The official site seems to have taken down much of las year's stuff now. --Archstanton 04:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

Have given the entire article a substantial rewrite as much of the content was seriously out of date and structurally rather poor. Have also reorganised the external links section, giving precedence to the official site, media reviews, promoters' websites and community forums in that order.

It should be noted that although the three forums mentioned enjoy close relationships with the organisers, the only real justification for having such links there is that material has been used from the sites to help shape the Wikipedia article. Could those who added them note that if the article doesn't significantly draw from them, then strictly speaking there is no justification for them being there, so "use it or lose it". Remember that Wikipedia is not a link farm. Thanks --Archstanton 00:26, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Have removed all "community forums" from the external links section as the facility is being abused. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for free advertising. -- See Links to normally avoid for more details, particularly items 3, 5 and 12. 207.195.240.61 09:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, from the same link: "Because of neutrality & point-of-view concerns, a primary policy of Wikipedia is that no one from a particular site/organization should post links to that organization/site etc. Because neutrality is such an important -- and difficult -- objective at Wikipedia, this takes precedence over other policies defining what should be linked. The accepted procedure is to post the proposed links in the Talk section of the article, and let other - neutral - Wikipedia editors decide whether or not it should be included." --TheCenturion 19:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's probably worth pointing out that all external links on Wikipedia pages have the "rel=nofollow" tag automatically set. This means that search engines don't follow any of the links on here, so those adding links to promote a website are wasting their time... --Mashcore (talk) 08:17, 24 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

update

This article needs to be updated badly, www.nuskoolbreaks.co.uk is probably a good place to start noticable things yesterday - Hybrid pulled out after sound difficulty, a beatboxer came on to compensate. - about 5000 turned up friday. um yeah im a bit too stoned right now --213.106.102.178 10:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The GladTalk and FestivalWeather forums would be better places to start in all honesty. The Glade section of NSB is mostly limited to discussion of breaks acts, so isn't quite as useful as GT and FW for reference purposes.

I think there should be more references (and I'll probably update the security aspect shortly as there has been some significant controversy over this issue at Glade 2006). There are some significant threads on the forums about this issue, which I feel should be added as references, but I'm reluctant to do so as linking to one thread is bound to start another rash of "me too" links.

I'd say that references from mainstream media such as the Newbury Weekly News should take precedence, although let's see the views of others on using specific threads from forums for references. --Tyler 15:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to propose incorporating some news about an alteration to the stages for 2007, namely the scrapping of the main dance tent and replacing it with a new outdoor stage and two smaller tents. As the owner of the site where this news was revealed (GladTalk), I have to declare an interest as under Wikipedia protocol it would not be appropriate for me to add the link [1] myself to the main article. However, this is specific information that came directly to me from a Glade organiser and I think it should be included, but will leave it to another Wikipedia editor to add it. I agree with the concern about "me too" links, which is why there shouldn't be an "external links" heading, which could become a free-for-all. However, the incorporation of specific notable information from such forums as references within the article is entirely appropriate and fully meets Wikipedia etiquette. --Sperge 17:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have added this, as well as ref from FestivalWeather re security complaints. --Mashcore 01:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Updating for 2010

The first three headlining acts have been officially announced, which I'll work into the article later. I think the section called "Glade Festival Details" could do with reworking a little. First the choice of heading is odd - "Overview" is more usual. It's also a bit weird to have the security problems from five years ago so high up in the article, as if that's the most important thing about the festival. This is just a legacy from the article of that time; it's not exactly the biggest talking point now, so should be moved deeper into the history IMO. --Archstanton (talk) 08:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Article name

Wouldn't "Glade Festival" be a better name for this article? All of the sources appear to refer to it as "Glade Festival" and I can find no references to "The Glade". The official website is gladefestival.com where they simply refer to it as "Glade". Kernow (talk) 14:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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