Talk:Great Lavra Bell Tower

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Did you know... that the clocks on the Great Lavra Belltower (pictured) have only stopped once during their existence, when the nearby Dormition Cathedral of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra was blown up during the Second World War?

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DYK

Kudos Dima! How about DYKing that "The Great Lavra Belltower was the highest free-standing belltower at the time of its construction in 1731-1745"? --Irpen 08:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget to specify the country in which it was the highest. Also, did it occur to anyone that other lavras may also have a "great belltower"? --Ghirla ^-трёп- 21:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think that it would be a good DYK suggestion. But how about:

...that the clocks on the Great Lavra Belltower have only stopped once during their existance: when the nearby Dormition Cathedral of the Pechersk Lavra was Blown up by army forces?

I left a footnote at the bottom of the article just now, that it is unclear who blew up the cathedral. It was apparently mined by Soviets, and destroyed by Germans, but still, I remember hearing that the Germans blame the Soviets for the destruction of the cathedral and vice versa... Have you guys heard of this, or am I mistaken?? —dima/s-ko/ 22:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly, this question has never been resolved. The Soviets always blamed the Germans, while the Germans reported that there was an explosion and two soldiers in Soviet uniform running from the cathedral. Whether these were real Soviet soldiers or the Nazis masquerading as such has never been answered. Some important Nazi figure (I forget who) should have been visiting the lavra at the time of the explosion, so the Soviet motivation was obvious. Correct me if I'm wrong. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 09:27, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes that is what I have heard... but it was the then Czecho-Slovakian president Jozef Tiso who had been visiting the Lavra. But yes it still remains a mystery. Well what do you guys think we should choose as a DYK suggestion? I think the clock-one suggested by me is pretty good and that it was the tallest building during its construction in Russian Empire. —dima/s-ko/ 17:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another DYK suggestion; it combines both of the previous suggestions:

...that the clocks on the Great Lavra Belltower, once the highest free-standing belltower at the time of its construction, have only stopped once during their existance: when the nearby Dormition Cathedral of the Pechersk Lavra was blown up by army forces?

—dima/s-ko/ 03:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slightly different:

...that the clocks on the Great Lavra Belltower, once the highest free-standing belltower at the time of its construction in 1731-1745, have only stopped once during their existance: when the nearby Dormition Cathedral of the Kiev Pechersk Lavra was blown up during the Second World War?

--Irpen 06:01, 13 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not answering right away, as I was busy. I think this suggestion is better than the one I gave. I will go and suggest the newest one, as we are running out of time. Thanks, —dima/s-ko/ 04:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some clarification needed.

-"~~Ever since that time, the clock has never needed any repairs again.~~"
-"It has never needed any repairs again ever since."
Seriously? No repairs at all or no major repairs? Do regular maintenance count as repairs? Perhaps it should be rephrased to:
-"...has never needed any major repairs again ever since."

Note: the sentence used to read "Since that time, the clock has never been repaired again." which I changed to the above version (without the addition of the word 'major') which I think is much clearer context-wise.

Another thing:
-"The clock's mechanism is so accurate, that it does not surpass ten seconds behind nor ten seconds over."

I'm not a clock-sort of person, but I believe the better way of phrasing it would be something like: "The clock's mechanism is accurate 'to a sixth (1/6) of a minute' -or- 'up to 10 seconds'". I'm not sure how to properly word it, as I am not certain what the technical term should be.

--_{ranger amade}^meep-meep 11:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should be phrased in seconds because that makes the point more clearly. Fractions of a minute are not SI units, and many people don't like unnecessary fractions. --B.d.mills 23:00, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Changed to:

-"The clock's mechanism is very accurate; up to within 10 seconds"

Still not sure if the phrasing is correct though. Any advice would be much appreciated.

_{ranger amade}^meep-meep 10:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is redundancy in both the original and revised versions. -"Since that time, the clock has never needed any repairs." That would make the point. Vanwaffle 15:47, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Made it so. Much thanks.

_{ranger amade}^meep-meep 10:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar

On the section of the three bells being removed, I have made a change to the grammar but the language still sounds awkward. Any suggestions on the grammar there? Fundamentaldan 14:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC) I should clarify and state that this is the third tier section I am talking about. Fundamentaldan 14:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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