Talk:Harrison family of Virginia

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Did you know... that three members of the Harrison family of Virginia served as President of the United States?

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Hannah Harrison Lee and Stratford Hall - no source

See addition to James River family section indicating Hannah built Stratford Hall. RS is needed for this to be included. Once provided it should be moved for context, perhaps to the Legacy section. Hoppyh (talk) 11:53, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Family tree

@Jhj27:I’d be happy to assist with additions to the tree though I must leave the editing of the tree to you.Hoppyh (talk) 23:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

English Origin

I've been doing some research and found a link of the Harrison family back to Greystoke, England. I added what I've found and will add sources later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.82.3.52 (talk) 17:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, trying to figure out how I should cite this and I think I'll need to go add all the information to something like WikiTree and then I can cite WikiTree. What are you thoughts Hoppyh? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.82.3.52 (talk) 22:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiTree is not considered a reliable source. I’ve added tags noting the need for reliable sources. Strongly suggest you register with Wikipedia and continue your research. In the near future, the unsourced material should be moved to the talk p.until properly sourced. Hoppyh (talk) 14:23, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As follows: The Harrisons of Virginia descend from Adam Heryson (died 1391) of Greystoke, Cumbria, in the Vale of Eden.^{[citation needed]} His father was Herry Othead (died 1374) and he was an ancestor of Thomas Harrison, Mayor of York's father John Harrison.Harrison, William Welsh (1910). "Harrison, Waples and Allied Families: Being the Ancestry of George Leib Harrison of Philadelphia and of His Wife Sarah Ann Waples". From Greystoke they migrated through Northumbria and eventually to York.^{[citation needed]} Penrith, England, a town 4 miles west of Greystoke was found to have the highest concentration of Scandinavian DNA in England cite web |url=https://www.rorystewart.co.uk/viking-heritage/ |title=Our Viking Heritage |date=16 January 2015 }} and Norwegian settlements in the Vale of Eden were particularly dense.Cite web |title= |url=https://www.ssns.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/05_Fellows-Jensen_Cumbria_1985_pp_65-82.pdf

Slavery topic in the lead

Paragraph four of the lead addresses the slaveholding by the Harrison family. An editor has attempted to remove the following language and the question is whether it should be included or not: "as was then typical, they avoided accountability for their practices in that regard." Hoppyh (talk) 13:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence as it is currently written leans heavily into editorializing. On no other article about slaveholding families have I seen similar language used to reflect a moral judgement of the practice. A better construction would be as follows:

"Prior to the Civil War, members of both Virginia branches of the family owned slaves, as was typical of the Virginia planter class. President Abraham Lincoln, who descended from the Shenandoah Valley branch, later oversaw the disestablishment of the practice within the nation upon the conclusion of the conflict. Following abolition, the Harrisons eventually abandoned the institution." Whyohwhycanti (talk) 14:10, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have attempted to incorporate the above with brevity as appropriate for the lead. Hoppyh (talk) 11:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great. Cheers. Whyohwhycanti (talk) 12:06, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You should consider completing your registration and user page. You’d be a valuable contributor, and you can limit your involvement as you prefer, as I have.Hoppyh (talk) 13:15, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the next to last paragraph of the lead, the phrase "the Harrisons eventually abandoned the institution” has been edited to say “the Harrison’s were forced to abandon the institution." Query whether this is an appropriate change. Hoppyh (talk) 11:46, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RV to reduce editorializing. Hoppyh (talk) 11:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unsourced Edit

The intro of the section on Harrisons in the Shenandoah Valley has been edited without sourcing, to contradict the prior sourced version referring to the relationship of the James River family. After a reasonable time, the revision, if remaining unsourced, should be reverted. Hoppyh (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English origin section deletion

The following was deleted from the English origin section, with the claim that it is unsourced: "Several genealogists indicate the first Harrisons were Viking warriors of Norse origin, and that they arrived in northeast England with Cnut the Great; others say they are of Celtic descent." In fact, the material is sourced to J. Houston Harrison. Absent further objection in the next few days, I will plan to restore this. Hoppyh (talk) 12:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abraham Lincoln related to the Harrisons?

Is this true? I've never heard this before and this article says it so nonchalantly and doesn't explain further that it looks like a troll. Is there any source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.144.3.239 (talk) 15:23, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is true. The statements in the lede, which are merely a summary of the substantive content in the article, are not sourced. The details of Lincoln’s relationship to the family, along with the sources for them, are found in the section of the article called "Isaiah and another president." Hoppyh (talk) 16:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add Benjamin Harrison VII?

Benjamin Harrison was succeeded by his son Benjamin Harrison VII which is never mentioned nor included in the family tree in the article Jon.yb093 (talk) 20:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A note on copy edits in process (FYI)

I encountered this fascinating multi-faceted saga by coincidence and have provided a handful of CE's (which is what I do: about a thousand a year since I started editing 3 years ago). There are many much more experienced editors who've enhanced this article (thank you!). I plan to work through it slowly and gradually this holiday season. If anyone finds any of my CE's out of whack, please weigh in 🤠. Holiday blessings to all who volunteer in making this remarkable encyclopedia the global treasure that it is!! Left Central (talk) 11:04, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree with splitting up the long paragraph in the lead. I do recall in the GA review a rule (not sure how strict it is) about limiting the number of paragraphs in the lead. This is just for your edification–I would keep your edit as is.Hoppyh (talk) 15:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]